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Vicky. 31-10-2011 11:55 PM

My take on tonights events...
 
Here we go...I do not think that Aarons 'sabotage' was deliberate. At all.

Aaron didnt even make the first mistake. They all agreed to nom the two people to the side of them, started this, then BB made them switch. While switching, they decided to keep the SAME noms as they would have been doing if they hadnt switched. Most did this. But someone went wrong somewhere. As by the time it was Aarons turn to vote, Faye already had 2 noms, and lousie already had 2 noms...and Faye/Louise were meant to be Aarons votes(going on the first seating order, which is what they agreed). So someone had voted for Faye AND Louise when they werent supposed to.

I think Aaron figured out that Faye already had 2 (he would obviously be paying more attention to that than louise) but messed up on his counting. And still put Louise up, thinking she only had 1. And threw his other vote to Tom as he realized Tom was missing a vote. You could clearly see he was very confused during his nominations...he knew it had gone wrong somewhere

Then tried to justify his actions by saying he wanted to save Alex(and the crap about the HMS families etc.) instead of just admitting that he made a mistake. And pretty much dug himself into a massive hole, and then kept up the facade. He does tend to be quite stubborn and always wants to make out hes right or did things for a reason, rather than just admitting that hes human and makes mistakes sometimes :S

I will probably be blasted by some of the Aaron fans for the second part, as it kinda goes against the whole ' he did it to be nice to Alex' or 'to be true to himself' reasoning, but I honestly think this is what happened.

rk3388 31-10-2011 11:56 PM

he said himself it was deliberate :confused:

Vicky. 31-10-2011 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rk3388 (Post 4708101)
he said himself it was deliberate :confused:

Take it you didnt read the second part of my post...

fingers 01-11-2011 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by rk3388 (Post 4708101)
he said himself it was deliberate :confused:

He's a man with high principles he'd NEVER lie, would he????? :dance::hugesmile:

Visage 01-11-2011 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 4708095)
Here we go...I do not think that Aarons 'sabotage' was deliberate. At all.

Aaron didnt even make the first mistake. They all agreed to nom the two people to the side of them, started this, then BB made them switch. While switching, they decided to keep the SAME noms as they would have been doing if they hadnt switched. Most did this. But someone went wrong somewhere. As by the time it was Aarons turn to vote, Faye already had 2 noms, and lousie already had 2 noms...and Faye/Louise were meant to be Aarons votes(going on the first seating order, which is what they agreed). So someone had voted for Faye AND Louise when they werent supposed to.

I think Aaron figured out that Faye already had 2 (he would obviously be paying more attention to that than louise) but messed up on his counting. And still put Louise up, thinking she only had 1. And threw his other vote to Tom as he realized Tom was missing a vote. You could clearly see he was very confused during his nominations...he knew it had gone wrong somewhere

Then tried to justify his actions by saying he wanted to save Alex(and the crap about the HMS families etc.) instead of just admitting that he made a mistake. And pretty much dug himself into a massive hole, and then kept up the facade. He does tend to be quite stubborn and always wants to make out hes right or did things for a reason, rather than just admitting that hes human and makes mistakes sometimes :S

I will probably be blasted by some of the Aaron fans for the second part, as it kinda goes against the whole ' he did it to be nice to Alex' or 'to be true to himself' reasoning, but I honestly think this is what happened.

I thought it was him who made the mistake but rather yjan expose show his (what he might think) stupidity he opted for telling them the reason was because of Alex. Hence why he continued with this later talking to Faye.

Vicky. 01-11-2011 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by fingers (Post 4708119)
He's a man with high principles he'd NEVER lie, would he????? :dance::hugesmile:

Oh he would (in my opinion) if it stopped him from having to admit he was wrong about something ;)

Vicky. 01-11-2011 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Visage (Post 4708126)
I thought it was him who made the mistake but rather yjan expose show his (what he might think) stupidity he opted for telling them the reason was because of Alex. Hence why he continued with this later talking to Faye.

He kind of did, and kind of didnt. As I say they had agreed to stick to who they were going to nominate before they switched seats. Which meant Aarons votes would have been Louise and Faye.

He made a mistake in the way that he didnt realise Louise already had 2 noms...but the first mistake was not his, or Lou/Faye would not have had 2 noms already when it came to Aarons turn :S

MTVN 01-11-2011 12:08 AM

Was it Tom who messed it up, I think he was meant to vote for Alex but went for Louise?

Vicky. 01-11-2011 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4708137)
Was it Tom who messed it up, I think he was meant to vote for Alex but went for Louise?

I think he might have, but then someone else must have messed up too as Faye had an extra vote to what she was supposed to aswell

Cromwell1900 01-11-2011 12:11 AM

I thought it was Faye that went wrong as i was watching it, when Aaron said he had done it to save Alex i dismissed it.

MTVN 01-11-2011 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 4708142)
I think he might have, but then someone else must have messed up too as Faye had an extra vote to what she was supposed to aswell

Alex went for Faye instead of Aaron :suspect:

MTVN 01-11-2011 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4708146)
Alex went for Faye instead of Aaron :suspect:

And then Jay went for Faye instead of Louise, but he would have given Louise 3 if he'd stuck to it so that mistake stemmed from Toms one I think

jet 01-11-2011 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 4708095)
Here we go...I do not think that Aarons 'sabotage' was deliberate. At all.

Aaron didnt even make the first mistake. They all agreed to nom the two people to the side of them, started this, then BB made them switch. While switching, they decided to keep the SAME noms as they would have been doing if they hadnt switched. Most did this. But someone went wrong somewhere. As by the time it was Aarons turn to vote, Faye already had 2 noms, and lousie already had 2 noms...and Faye/Louise were meant to be Aarons votes(going on the first seating order, which is what they agreed). So someone had voted for Faye AND Louise when they werent supposed to.

I think Aaron figured out that Faye already had 2 (he would obviously be paying more attention to that than louise) but messed up on his counting. And still put Louise up, thinking she only had 1. And threw his other vote to Tom as he realized Tom was missing a vote. You could clearly see he was very confused during his nominations...he knew it had gone wrong somewhere

Then tried to justify his actions by saying he wanted to save Alex(and the crap about the HMS families etc.) instead of just admitting that he made a mistake. And pretty much dug himself into a massive hole, and then kept up the facade. He does tend to be quite stubborn and always wants to make out hes right or did things for a reason, rather than just admitting that hes human and makes mistakes sometimes :S

I will probably be blasted by some of the Aaron fans for the second part, as it kinda goes against the whole ' he did it to be nice to Alex' or 'to be true to himself' reasoning, but I honestly think this is what happened.

Yes, I noticed that too.

Aside from that:
Aaron's excuse in the DR was that he would never buckle where his principles are concerned - yet in the first round of noms he seemed happy to do just that, even though he had previously said he wouldn't. It was only when BB stopped the noms and said there would be serious consequences that he came over all principled. Was he worried they might reduce the prize money and/or he didn't want another spanner thrown into the works of his game plan?

thefatfairy 01-11-2011 12:22 AM

Aaron
 
Aaron messed up the voting delibrately, he admitted it afterwards. Round about the same time he admitted that he would save Alex before saving Faye, the true colours had to come out at some stage... The guy is a total creep. :dance:

jet 01-11-2011 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by thefatfairy (Post 4708165)
Aaron messed up the voting delibrately, he admitted it afterwards. Round about the same time he admitted that he would save Alex before saving Faye, the true colours had to come out at some stage... The guy is a total creep. :dance:

He sure is.

fingers 01-11-2011 12:25 AM

Let's hope he doesn't get to be a RICH creep! :joker::hugesmile:

psychtracker 01-11-2011 12:36 AM

I had the vibe that by the middle stage of noms, that they all knew the original plan was messed up, and they were just trying to even it up so everyone got two votes. Whether he intentionally gave Louise a 3rd vote, we'll probably never know. It would seem a bit surprising that he lost track, coz he appears quite sharp on calculations. Especially during the week when he influenced Jay to nominate Harry.

Vicky. 01-11-2011 12:59 AM

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First round...vote 2 HMs to your left

Aaron.......Lou and Faye
Louise......Faye and Tom
Faye........Tom and Alex
Tom.........Alex and Jay
Alex..........Jay and Aaron
Jay...........Aaron and Lou

Then BB speaks and reshuffles Hms....Tom says remember who you voted for 1st time

Second round...and this is where it gets confusing as BB doesn't go around in order like the first time so they can't do the two to the left again

Tom....Jay and Lou
Faye....Alex and louise
Alex......Jay and Faye
Jay......Aaron and faye

This where it gets a mess

Aaron....Louise and Tom
Louise....Aaron and Faye

But the order they were seated in was...

Tom/Jay/Alex/Faye/louise/Aaron

So from the start of second round Tom buggered it by telling people to remember and didn't himself and then none of them did the 2 to the left from the beginning...
Stolen from DS. Was going to watch it again on catchup and do this myself, but someone else has done it already...so no need :tongue:

djr2514 01-11-2011 01:11 AM

When bb made them redo the noms I heard Jay, and Tom say to just remember who nominated and nom them again. Well they started with Faye and she messed up first, because she was suppose to nom Tom and Alex, but for some reason she said Louise and Alex, and it all went downhill from there so when it got to Aaron they wanted to force him to nom Alex, which he didn't do the first time he nominated Louise and Faye but now Faye already has 2 noms and so he noms Tom instead and Louise, but to be fair Faye messed the noms up first and Louise isn't innocent either.

MTVN 01-11-2011 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by djr2514 (Post 4708264)
When bb made them redo the noms I heard Jay, and Tom say to just remember who nominated and nom them again. Well they started with Faye and she messed up first, because she was suppose to nom Tom and Alex, but for some reason she said Louise and Alex, and it all went downhill from there so when it got to Aaron they wanted to force him to nom Alex, which he didn't do the first time he nominated Louise and Faye but now Faye already has 2 noms and so he noms Tom instead and Louise, but to be fair Faye messed the noms up first and Louise isn't innocent either.

Tom was the first to nominate

Pyramid* 01-11-2011 01:17 AM

BB have been doing it since sh*tgate - ie: since the first few weeks. There is no way that Aaron would not have put Jay up for that reason - yet not a cheap of it at all.

If BB weren't getting the nominees they wanted, they simply chose to change the rules to suit.

This will likely be the last series I'll be watching with any real interest - because of this and the fact that it has been so very blatant, week after week.

LeXcellence 01-11-2011 01:19 AM

It still could have been all of them up. If Louise had have kept track she'd have seen that they could have all been up besides Alex if she voted for Tom second. He did look confused but yeah it's hard to tell if messed it up by accident.

psychtracker 01-11-2011 01:23 AM

No, as per the other thread "HL show lies AGAIN", and what was shown on BBOTS, she tried to nominate Tom, but BB disallowed it.

psychtracker 01-11-2011 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4708277)
If BB weren't getting the nominees they wanted, they simply chose to change the rules to suit.

Yep, they obviously didn't want them all up, nor 5 up. I assume they thought it'd turn the final into an anti-climax.

Vicky. 01-11-2011 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by LeXcellence (Post 4708280)
It still could have been all of them up. If Louise had have kept track she'd have seen that they could have all been up besides Alex if she voted for Tom second. He did look confused but yeah it's hard to tell if messed it up by accident.

She tried to do this, but BB disallowed the vote...

LeXcellence 01-11-2011 01:28 AM

It should have showed that then. Instead it's put her in a bad light really.

psychtracker 01-11-2011 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by LeXcellence (Post 4708296)
It should have showed that then.

no sh*t! ..that's what we've been moaning about for the last couple of hours!

LeXcellence 01-11-2011 01:36 AM

I gathered that! I wasn't aware they'd shown anything on BBBM. As I tend not to watch it. So I didn't know.

psychtracker 01-11-2011 01:39 AM

that's ok..you're up to speed now, it was very confusing, indeed!

LeXcellence 01-11-2011 01:41 AM

It was either a choice of either watching Emma Willis about to drop the baby and talk with guests and bash people or watch Wrestling. :hugesmile:

They should have shown it in the main show really because hardly anyone watches BBBM. So if their trying to put her in a bad light then they have. I don't mind Louise really. Just annoys me.

psychtracker 01-11-2011 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by LeXcellence (Post 4708330)
It was either a choice of either watching Emma Willis about to drop the baby and talk with guests and bash people or watch Wrestling. :hugesmile:

They should have shown it in the main show really because hardly anyone watches BBBM. So if their trying to put her in a bad light then they have. I don't mind Louise really. Just annoys me.

Yeah, i rarely watch it as well...i saw the first half on Youtube. They were all kitted out in Halloween dress...which made the show even more farcical than normal!

I'm not sure if it put Louise in a totally bad light, the panel seemed to be applauding her.

The confusing part we've been discussing is why the HL show had her saying she didn't have any intention of nominating Tom, and seemed to be sacrificing herself for the "group", yet the clip was totally at odds, because she tried to nominate him, but BB rejected it. Very strange!

jyunga 01-11-2011 02:00 AM

It's not strange. She only picked Tom cause Jay gestured for her to vote for Tom. After BB rejected her vote on the grounds she was influenced (which she was), she picked who she wanted (Faye).

LeXcellence 01-11-2011 02:01 AM

On what the HL showed. They've done this in past weeks show only certain things and then for BBBM to correct it. It does sound very strange. It all really depends if a lot of people watched BBBM or have the internet to read what went on so it doesn't show her in a bad light. I don't care much for Lou. Neither do I care for Faye. Be interesting to see what this week is like on HL for her. If she starts being with Jay a lot and doing things they'll make it look like she's trying to suck up to the viewers so they save her so she can be with Jay. Same with Faye really if she does the same with Aaroan.

psychtracker 01-11-2011 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jyunga (Post 4708359)
It's not strange. She only picked Tom cause Jay gestured for her to vote for Tom. After BB rejected her vote on the grounds she was influenced (which she was), she picked who she wanted (Faye).

What, so you don't think it was slightly strange that we had something like 15 minutes of Nomination footage on the HL show, and they omitted an important 10 sec piece, which they went on to show on BBOTS as part of a 20 second summary of the nights events? :conf:

I think what they wanted to do by omitting this footage on the HL show, was to portray Louise as slightly dopey, but loyal. And conceal the fact that they didn't want a 5 way eviction just before the final.

iRyan 01-11-2011 03:05 AM

He knew that he was doing. He's not an idiot.

Vicky. 01-11-2011 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by iRyan (Post 4708390)
He knew that he was doing. He's not an idiot.

Oh you have to be an idiot now to make a mistake

Sorry, I didnt know that

iRyan 01-11-2011 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 4708394)
Oh you have to be an idiot now to make a mistake

Sorry, I didnt know that

Why would he lie about deliberately screwing up the vote? There is no point.

At first we all saw him lie that he made a mistake, then he came clean. Why would he fake coming clean?

Vicky. 01-11-2011 03:10 AM

Pride. IMO.

Seems the kind who would rather come off as selfish and arrogant than admit he was wrong ;)

Carniala 01-11-2011 04:03 AM

So reading this , Why did Louise did not vote for Alex instead of Tom, I think she would have made 5 HM go up for eviction and save the face but instead she blamed Aaron only, so TBH re-watching it Jay did vote as usual for Fay and Aaron as usual,everybody voted as usual, and the Aaron not wanting to vote for Alex as usual is odd, and Louise voting as usual for Fay and Aaron is an act of heroism, beats me.

MachoPoodle 01-11-2011 05:51 AM

One minute it's all about how incredibly clever Aaron is, and suddenly when it suits people that like him, he can't even count to 2? Please...


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