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Pyramid* 15-12-2011 11:31 PM
Sheep battered to death with baseball bat
 
Be warned - the story is gruesome & sickening.



I've watched the video on youtube and Im not putting it up here as it is sickening.

WTF is wrong with these people....American Military Personnel standing around waiting, watching and laughing about this.

I wonder if they would laugh so much if it was their pet?



This is the sickening moment a group of men thought to be U.S. soldiers cheer on a man as he beats a sheep to death with a baseball bat.

The horrific video, which was posted on YouTube, shows the cowering animal suffer a merciless assault that lasts less than 30 seconds.
It is claimed that the footage was shot in Afghanistan last month.


He is, however, surrounded by men who appear to be U.S. troops stationed in Afghanistan.

The video starts with the terrified sheep being dragged into a large open room by a heavily-tattooed soldier.
A man dressed in western clothes and wearing a baseball cap then viciously swings a metal bat at the creature's head.

To whoops and cheers from around ten or so spectators, including what looks like a delighted Afghan boy jumping up and down, he delivers a further ten blows.

The sheep is by this stage lying dead on the floor as the men gather around the animal and continue to scream in excitement.

King Gizzard 15-12-2011 11:32 PM
wtf is up with papers all of a sudden thinking we want to see this crap?

Pyramid* 15-12-2011 11:34 PM
I for one would would rather it was brought to the public's attention - and hopefully those responsible being taken to task for such sick cruelty.

I'm guessing that's possibly the purpose behind publishing such stories.

King Gizzard 15-12-2011 11:35 PM
I have a feeling most of these are old videos and are just being pushed to the limelight for hits since the snake-kitten one (although I do agree it's good to be brought to attention to try and catch them)

Jack_ 15-12-2011 11:38 PM
Absolutely barbaric. Stories like this sicken me beyond comprehension.

These people need sentencing extremely harshly, I'm not sure how tight sentencing on animal cruelty is at the minute, but regardless, these people should get 10 years bare minimum, and I'd even push for more. There's no excuse for such disgusting cruelty to any living creature.

Pyramid* 15-12-2011 11:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jingle Bellend (Post 4820523)
I have a feeling most of these are old videos and are just being pushed to the limelight for hits since the snake-kitten one (although I do agree it's good to be brought to attention to try and catch them)
Newspaper reports aren't always accurate I know, but according to what is being reported, the vid was taken a month ago.

Smithy 15-12-2011 11:40 PM
****ing disgusting :bored:

I doubt any action will be taken either because they're members of the military serving over seas :bored:

MTVN 15-12-2011 11:41 PM
Not sure how they'd really go about pressing charges seeing as it looks like it was just a random man out in Afghanistan who actually did it, not any of the soldiers who they're not even sure are American anyway

Fetch The Bolt Cutters 15-12-2011 11:43 PM
i saw a video once where a group of animal rights protesters killed a bunch of homeless people in russia i think it was because they were eating animals or something :sad:

it was pretty horrific but i would pay to see that happen to the ***** that did this to the sheep

Bollo 15-12-2011 11:47 PM
I can only skim read stuff like this as it makes me feel physically sick and angry at the same time, I cannot understand how people can do horrific things like this to defenceless animals purely for their own entertainment, it's absolutely disgusting. Sometimes i despair of the human race

Pyramid* 15-12-2011 11:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4820539)
Not sure how they'd really go about pressing charges seeing as it looks like it was just a random man out in Afghanistan who actually did it, not any of the soldiers who they're not even sure are American anyway
I could be wrong but I'm guessing that their fatigues would give good indication as to which Forces they belong to - given that one of them actually drags the sheep in - and others stand about watching this happen -and enjoy it.

I truly hope some if not all of them are outed by this and dealt with accordingly.

Jordan. 16-12-2011 12:03 AM
Just sick.

And the sheep is the 'animal' :bored:

Pyramid* 16-12-2011 12:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4820619)
I've tried to find the video but can't so if you can give me a link that would be helpful.

Happy to help.

(Warning - graphic)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE9Ar...has_verified=1

MTVN 16-12-2011 02:10 AM
Ok, this has been given a very thorough cleaning and is now back open

Pyramid* 16-12-2011 02:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4820808)
Ok, this has been given a very thorough cleaning and is now back open
My you tube linky has been removed. :bawling:

MTVN 16-12-2011 02:17 AM
That was because it was part of the whole argument :p I can restore that one post if you wish, or the link can be edited into the OP?

Pyramid* 16-12-2011 02:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4820817)
That was because it was part of the whole argument :p I can restore that one post if you wish, or the link can be edited into the OP?
What argument? .... ;)

I'm easy if you want to restore, but maybe better to put a warning on it MTVN - it is pretty graphic.

Shasown 16-12-2011 02:22 AM
American units operating with Afghan units will share or even issue military equipment with their Afghan counterparts, they are also expected to integrate in with the unit as best as is possible.

Given that this video was taken in November, here is a really shocking idea for you.

The soldier with the bat was either an American given the honour or was in fact an Afghan who had the honour to sacrifice the sheep in a religious festival to honour Eid al-Adha.

That's a muslim festival that celebrates the willingness of Abraham to sacrifice his son Ishmael for the glory of God. Now in the story god intervenes and sends a sheep for Abraham to sacrifice in its place.

Just throw this in as a possibility having worked with Afghans in the past. Is it possible that this was a "celebration" in honour of that festival?

If it was, then technically the US soldiers present if there are any are simply complying with the order of respecting and even partaking in local religious celebrations in order to create stronger bonds between Afghani and Coalition Defence Forces.

As for those around cheering etc, again they have been told to respect even join in local celebrations, in fact in the Afghani eyes not to partake or to show disdain would also show disrespect.

To give you a clue about the Afghani attitude to animal life and sacrifice, think back to Rambo 3 the game of Buzkashi, the dead goat being hauled about by mounted riders, its played all over central asia and sometimes the goat isnt dead.

Bear in mind those soldiers even if they are Yanks have been fighting a war, they dont get to take that many days off from the rigiour of combat all that stress will desensitise them to things that they would normally turn away from. Its not like catching the 9.00 to the office then heading home on the 5.10.

I could post a vid that shows Ghurkas (members of the British Army) celebrating one of their festivals with a goat, which is in my eyes a whole lot worse than that originally posted.

MTVN 16-12-2011 02:30 AM
Ok I've restored the post with the link in and edited it accordingly

Interesting post Shasown, I did read about it being a custom over there but wasn't sure if that's normally a method they would use

Pyramid* 16-12-2011 02:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4820824)
American units operating with Afghan units will share or even issue military equipment with their Afghan counterparts, they are also expected to integrate in with the unit as best as is possible.

Given that this video was taken in November, here is a really shocking idea for you.

The soldier with the bat was either an American given the honour or was in fact an Afghan who had the honour to sacrifice the sheep in a religious festival to honour Eid al-Adha.

That's a muslim festival that celebrates the willingness of Abraham to sacrifice his son Ishmael for the glory of God. Now in the story god intervenes and sends a sheep for Abraham to sacrifice in its place.

Just throw this in as a possibility having worked with Afghans in the past. Is it possible that this was a "celebration" in honour of that festival?

If it was, then technically the US soldiers present if there are any are simply complying with the order of respecting and even partaking in local religious celebrations in order to create stronger bonds between Afghani and Coalition Defence Forces.

As for those around cheering etc, again they have been told to respect even join in local celebrations, in fact in the Afghani eyes not to partake or to show disdain would also show disrespect.

To give you a clue about the Afghani attitude to animal life and sacrifice, think back to Rambo 3 the game of Buzkashi, the dead goat being hauled about by mounted riders, its played all over central asia and sometimes the goat isnt dead.

Bear in mind those soldiers even if they are Yanks have been fighting a war, they dont get to take that many days off from the rigiour of combat all that stress will desensitise them to things that they would normally turn away from. Its not like catching the 9.00 to the office then heading home on the 5.10.

I could post a vid that shows Ghurkas (members of the British Army) celebrating one of their festivals with a goat, which is in my eyes a whole lot worse than that originally posted.
surely the tradition isn't to beat the holy ******* out of a sheep in that manner though?

I understand exactly what you are explaining and the very real truth of what is very plausible: but it's the manner that it's done??

I've witnessed sheep being slaughtered in Saudi to start Eid Celebrations and it was done with a very sharp skillful cut to the throat - over very quickly. It wasn't pleasant to watch, and yes, it was regarded as an 'honour' to be allowed to witness it. But this however is a barbaric act - that's not a sacrifice.

Not saying what you've detailed may not be the case.....there is of course that possibility of integrating very deliberately for more covert reasons for want of better wording - it the barbaric nature of it that I can't see it being sacrificing sheep for Eid.

Wildcat! 16-12-2011 02:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4820824)
American units operating with Afghan units will share or even issue military equipment with their Afghan counterparts, they are also expected to integrate in with the unit as best as is possible.

Given that this video was taken in November, here is a really shocking idea for you.

The soldier with the bat was either an American given the honour or was in fact an Afghan who had the honour to sacrifice the sheep in a religious festival to honour Eid al-Adha.

That's a muslim festival that celebrates the willingness of Abraham to sacrifice his son Ishmael for the glory of God. Now in the story god intervenes and sends a sheep for Abraham to sacrifice in its place.

Just throw this in as a possibility having worked with Afghans in the past. Is it possible that this was a "celebration" in honour of that festival?

If it was, then technically the US soldiers present if there are any are simply complying with the order of respecting and even partaking in local religious celebrations in order to create stronger bonds between Afghani and Coalition Defence Forces.

As for those around cheering etc, again they have been told to respect even join in local celebrations, in fact in the Afghani eyes not to partake or to show disdain would also show disrespect.

To give you a clue about the Afghani attitude to animal life and sacrifice, think back to Rambo 3 the game of Buzkashi, the dead goat being hauled about by mounted riders, its played all over central asia and sometimes the goat isnt dead.

Bear in mind those soldiers even if they are Yanks have been fighting a war, they dont get to take that many days off from the rigiour of combat all that stress will desensitise them to things that they would normally turn away from. Its not like catching the 9.00 to the office then heading home on the 5.10.

I could post a vid that shows Ghurkas (members of the British Army) celebrating one of their festivals with a goat, which is in my eyes a whole lot worse than that originally posted.
Are you kidding me? The guy could be any nationaliy, but please dont ever suggest that this has anything to do with the Eid ritual. Which is a clean slaughter according to islamic guidelines. Done with a prayer, in the direction of Mecca, with a sharp blade designed to minimize the animals sufferings. Dont go guessing like that , equating this barbaric execution to Islam, and Eid! Especially if you dont know what youre talking about.

Pyramid* 16-12-2011 02:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4820842)
Ok I've restored the post with the link in and edited it accordingly

Interesting post Shasown, I did read about it being a custom over there but wasn't sure if that's normally a method they would use
I'm not entirely convinced it is a normal method.

Ta muchly for link restoration btw! :)

Pyramid* 16-12-2011 02:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildcat! (Post 4820845)
Are you kidding me? The guy could be any nationaliy, but please dont ever suggest that this has anything to do with the Eid ritual. Which is a clean slaughter according to islamic guidelines. Done with a prayer, in the direction of Mecca, with a sharp blade designed to minimize the animals sufferings. Very dangerous guess to make, equating this barbaric execution to Islam, and Eid!
I've just posted something very similar. I've seen this happen with my own eyes (on at least 3 occasions) and never was it done in any other manner but in the way you have stated.

Wildcat! 16-12-2011 02:39 AM
Exactly! Its called Hallal, and thats why some muslims dont eat meat, unless the animal was killed that way. Nt even slaughter houses meat is considered Halal.
No real muslim would ever eat an animal, killed this way.

Shasown 16-12-2011 02:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowball (Post 4820844)
surely the tradition isn't to beat the holy ******* out of a sheep in that manner though?

I understand exactly what you are explaining and the very real truth of what is very plausible: but it's the manner that it's done??

I've witnessed sheep being slaughtered in Saudi to start Eid Celebrations and it was done with a very sharp skillful cut to the throat - over very quickly. It wasn't pleasant to watch, and yes, it was regarded as an 'honour' to be allowed to witness it. But this however is a barbaric act - that's not a sacrifice.

Not saying what you've detailed may not be the case.....there is of course that possibility of integrating very deliberately for more covert reasons for want of better wording - it the barbaric nature of it that I can't see it being sacrificing sheep for Eid.
Saudi and Afghanistan are two very different cultures> believe me I have worked in both countries.

The integration of field units isnt for any covert reason its dead simple the Afghan units work alongside a Yank unit, initially following, then eventually the US unit allows them to take on more of the workload, eventually the US unit pulls out.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildcat! (Post 4820845)
Are you kidding me? The guy could be any nationaliy, but please dont ever suggest that this has anything to do with the Eid ritual. Which is a clean slaughter according to islamic guidelines. Done with a prayer, in the direction of Mecca, with a sharp blade designed to minimize the animals sufferings. Very dangerous guess to make, equating this barbaric execution to Islam, and Eid!
Sorry mate, hate to disallusion you, but have seen animals slaughtered in the field by Afghanis in the past. Done with a prayer yes. But not with a sharp knife nor out of sight of other animals etc. The animal was knocked sensless then had its throat ripped out as opposed to opened.

Also what you have to remember is the Afghani culture isnt exactly the same as other muslim cultures.

Shasown 16-12-2011 02:42 AM
Theres a big clue as to the Afghani culture in the delight shown by the young lad in the vid it may even have been his own pet sheep.

Pyramid* 16-12-2011 02:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4820856)
Saudi and Afghanistan are two very different cultures> believe me I have worked in both countries.

The integration of field units isnt for any covert reason its dead simple the Afghan units work alongside a Yank unit, initially following, then eventually the US unit allows them to take on more of the workload, eventually the US unit pulls out.



Sorry mate, hate to disallusion you, but have seen animals slaughtered in the field by Afghanis in the past. Done with a prayer yes. But not with a sharp knife nor out of sight of other animals etc. The animal was knocked sensless then had its throat ripped out as opposed to opened.

Also what you have to remember is the Afghani culture isnt exactly the same as other muslim cultures.
I'm still not buying it. There is no way that that is a method of sacrifice: to batter countless times like that, whilst it's trying to walk away, trying to get away, laughing at it, taking pleasure in the suffering of it: and continuing to viciously beat it in such a way for Eid celebrations?.... I don't see it being that different regardless of which country it took place in.

Whether there was some other reason and nothing to do with Eid - that I could accept as being plausible.

Pyramid* 16-12-2011 02:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4820859)
Theres a big clue as to the Afghani culture in the delight shown by the young lad in the vid it may even have been his own pet sheep.
Doubt it very much.

Wildcat! 16-12-2011 02:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4820859)
Theres a big clue as to the Afghani culture in the delight shown by the young lad in the vid it may even have been his own pet sheep.
The delight its a kid!!! And kids equate the slaughtering of sheep to Eid. When I was a kid, we would cheer as well. But like I said real,muslim would never do that or eat such animal.
And especially on Eid day, anyone who is doing it for religious reasons like the poster suggests, will do it accordingly. Otherwise whats the point?
My objection was to that! Not weather he is afghan or not! If youve seen some barbaric slaughter of a sheep, its very possible, but it had nothing to do with Eid, or ISLAM

Callum 16-12-2011 02:51 AM
I watched this about an hour ago but couldn't post here because the thread was locked. Those men are utter scum, they deserve to rot in hell. I'm fed up of this whole attitude that we should respect all troops for their work and that they are all heroes, I'm not denying that a good majority of the troops are good people who are fighting on behalf of their country but when I see things like this it just angers me. I would never respect people like that, no matter what job they do.

Wildcat! 16-12-2011 02:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4820859)
Theres a big clue as to the Afghani culture in the delight shown by the young lad in the vid it may even have been his own pet sheep.
Yeah, because a poor Afghan kid having a pet sheep makes a lot of sense!

Shasown 16-12-2011 02:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowball (Post 4820862)
Doubt it very much.
You think the Afghan people share our Western sensibilities?

Be serious, the Taliban werent as unpopular as the western media and governments made them out to be

Have a look at this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-new-face.html

It happened under a "muslim" regime even though that sort of disfigurement is outlawed by Islamic law

Wildcat! 16-12-2011 02:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4820869)
You think the Afghan people share our Western sensibilities?

Be serious, the Taliban werent as unpopular as the western media and governments made them out to be

Have a look at this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-new-face.html

It happened under a "muslim" regime even though that sort of disfigurment is outlawed by Islamic law
So now that your point is totally ridiculous, you come in here post something completely off subject to further your agenda.
Do you have nothing else to talk about? Then Go open a thread about this mutilation.
I am sure you can gather muslim bashers to help ou with it.
This thread as zero to do with Taliban, islam or muslims. Its about american soldiers cheering and barbarically killing a sheep. Period.

Pyramid* 16-12-2011 02:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4820869)
You think the Afghan people share our Western sensibilities?

Be serious, the Taliban werent as unpopular as the western media and governments made them out to be

Have a look at this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-new-face.html

It happened under a "muslim" regime even though that sort of disfigurment is outlawed by Islamic law
I'm not relating Western sensibilites to anything - I'm saying that there is no way that that anyone sacrificing a sheep for Eid or Islam would do so in the manner in which this guy did. I am relating what I have seen with my own eyes, happen in a Muslim country and in the manner in which is customary to conduct such a sacrifice: and this is not it.


That link has not a thing to do with this story.

Shasown 16-12-2011 03:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildcat! (Post 4820868)
Yeah, because a poor Afghan kid having a pet sheep makes a lot of sense!
Makes more sense than a poor Afghani kid having a hamster or a guinea pig doesnt it.

In reality the Afghan kid probably looked after the sheep, so in a way it would be akin to his pet, wouldnt it?

Wildcat! 16-12-2011 03:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4820880)
Makes more sense than a poor Afghani kid having a hamster or a guinea pig doesnt it.

In reality the Afghan kid probably looked after the sheep, so in a way it would be akin to his pet, wouldnt it?
ReAlly, and you nkow this how?
Ermmm newsflash, poor people tend to eat their sheep, and if anyone was looking after it, it would be in a hurd, not as an individual pet. Your points are very stupid!

Shasown 16-12-2011 03:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildcat! (Post 4820883)
ReAlly, and you nkow this how?
Ermmm newsflash, poor people tend to eat their sheep, and if anyone was looking after it, it would be in a hurd, not as an individual pet. Your points are very stupid!
I have worked in Afghanistan.

Yes they would keep their animals as a herd but generally its the younger members of the family who get to look after them, in some areas even having to share the same sleeping area with them.

Wildcat! 16-12-2011 03:13 AM
SHASHOWS TAKE on the clip:

"In reality the Afghan kid probably looked after the sheep
it may even have been his own pet sheep.
The soldier with the bat was either an American given the honour or was in fact an Afghan who had the honour to sacrifice the sheep in a religious festival to honour Eid al-Adha.#
As for those around cheering etc, again they have been told to respect even join in local celebrations, in fact in the Afghani eyes not to partake or to show disdain would also show disrespect."


Perfect take on it!!!

Wildcat! 16-12-2011 03:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4820884)
I have worked in Afghanistan.

Yes they would keep their animals as a herd but generally its the younger members of the family who get to look after them, in some areas even having to share the same sleeping area with them.
But you said its probably his pet!
Yeah!!! I am from a 3rd world country, you cant educate me on who or how sheep are kEPT!!! AND no, they are never pets, they are food!
Again your points are stupid, now plain idiotic!

Kerry 16-12-2011 03:28 AM
Right, pack it in.


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