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Omah 29-04-2012 12:45 AM

London 2012: Olympic missiles sites confirmed
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17884897

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The Ministry of Defence says it is evaluating sites for surface-to-air missiles for the Olympic Games, and could place them at residential flats.

Residents at an estate in east London have received a leaflet saying soldiers could be placed there during the Games.

It says part of an air defence system might be based at a water tower on the estate, where 700 people live.
WTF ..... and who's paying for that ..... :mad:

Normally, I don't have much sympathy for Southerners, but the citizens of London are being treated like dogs by the self-interested organisers of the Olympic Games - "big business" is going to make a packet while ordinary residents will have a summer of hell ..... :eek:

Mrluvaluva 29-04-2012 12:49 AM

"Normally, I don't have much sympathy for Southerners". What? I read this before and it is crazy.

Kizzy 29-04-2012 12:53 AM

To assume there was not a chance of conflict from anywhere is silly. It is normal for certain 'role plays' to assess how to react if certain senarios do occur.

Omah 29-04-2012 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva (Post 5107233)
"Normally, I don't have much sympathy for Southerners". What? I read this before and it is crazy.

What?

Omah 29-04-2012 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by kizzy (Post 5107237)
To assume there was not a chance of conflict from anywhere is silly. It is normal for certain 'role plays' to assess how to react if certain senarios do occur.

Surrounding London with SAM sites to protect the "Games" and the interests of the sponsors smacks more of war than sport ..... :idc:

Kizzy 29-04-2012 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Omah (Post 5107247)
Surrounding London with SAM sites to protect the "Games" and the interests of the sponsors smacks more of war than sport ..... :pipe:

You think?...I couldn't possiby say :pipe:

Omah 29-04-2012 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by kizzy (Post 5107251)
You think?...I couldn't possiby say :pipe:

If you live in London, build your bunker now and stuff it with 3 months provisions, just in case ..... :pipe:

Shaun 29-04-2012 01:35 AM

how delightfully OTT and expensive.

Kizzy 29-04-2012 01:44 AM

I don't thank feck!

arista 29-04-2012 07:09 AM

"Normally, I don't have much sympathy for Southerners,"


Spiffing

arista 29-04-2012 07:12 AM

{"big business" is going to make a packet while ordinary residents will have a summer of hell.}

No Omah
some of the games are in 3-D

gbuk01 29-04-2012 07:28 AM

Reality comes home
 
This is the kind of report which makes me smile as it brilliantly shows the hypocrisy of the UK population. We are quite happy for such armaments to be placed on roof tops in Iraq and Afghanistan in the name of UK security, but when it comes to security which is closer to home, the enthusiasm evaporates. It is good that London will get a glimpse of the reality which is far more extensive in parts of the World where our military are active.

Pyramid* 29-04-2012 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by gbuk01 (Post 5107338)
This is the kind of report which makes me smile as it brilliantly shows the hypocrisy of the UK population. We are quite happy for such armaments to be placed on roof tops in Iraq and Afghanistan in the name of UK security, but when it comes to security which is closer to home, the enthusiasm evaporates. It is good that London will get a glimpse of the reality which is far more extensive in parts of the World where our military are active.


A few fms opinions doesn't speak for the UK population.

Unfortunately we live in times that such events are a terrorists dream - It shouldn't have to be the case, I don't necessarily agree with it, but thisis the way the world is 'evolving' and I'm sure those making this decision are in a far more knowledgeable position to have come that conclusion that this may be needed.

Better safe than sorry....

Marc 29-04-2012 07:43 AM

I'll pay for it guys, I can cover that

joeysteele 29-04-2012 09:08 AM

If something did happen and the M.O.D. hadn't been prepared then there would have been massive moans and groans as to why better planning hadn't been done in the first place.
Better to be a bit over the top but also to be safe than sorry,just in case.

Pyramid* 29-04-2012 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 5107381)
If something did happen and the M.O.D. hadn't been prepared then there would have been massive moans and groans as to why better planning hadn't been done in the first place.
Better to be a bit over the top but also to be safe than sorry,just in case.

Once again, we agree Joey.

If they prepare for an eventuality: they are criticised.

If they didn't and something happened: they'd be criticised to hell and back.

I'd rather have the country prepared & ready to defend - regardless of the cost - than not.

joeysteele 29-04-2012 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 5107386)
Once again, we agree Joey.

If they prepare for an eventuality: they are criticised.

If they didn't and something happened: they'd be criticised to hell and back.

I'd rather have the country prepared & ready to defend - regardless of the cost - than not.



So would I Pyramid*, it's a long time since we hosted the Olympics and the World is a very uncertain place with some real crazy people around.
As you say better be prepared,despite the cost,than do nothing or little and get caught out by some fanatics.

There can be no price on security and protecting peoples lives.

Pyramid* 29-04-2012 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 5107387)
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So would I Pyramid*, it's a long time since we hosted the Olympics and the World is a very uncertain place with some real crazy people around.
As you say better be prepared,despite the cost,than do nothing or little and get caught out by some fanatics.

There can be no price on security and protecting peoples lives.

That's for sure - there are a lot of complete nutjobs about, who only have one focus in life - and that is destroying lives.

The part that amuses me is the sheer hypocrisy: most of the advances in the world (in the main) have originated from the Western World - yet those fanatics/terrorists are happy to utilise such knowledge / advancement/tools that came from same Western World that they claim to despise. Completely crazy.

Omah 29-04-2012 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 5107387)
There can be no price on security and protecting peoples lives.

Security

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The security operation is led by the police, with 10,000 officers available, supported by 13,500 members of the armed forces. Naval and air assets, including ships situated in the Thames, Eurofighter jets and surface-to-air missiles, will be deployed as part of the security operation. The cost of security has also increased from 282m to 553m pounds sterling. This will be the biggest security operation Britain has faced for decades. The figure of 13,500 armed forces personnel is more than Britain currently has deployed in Afghanistan. The Metropolitan Police and the Royal Marines performed security exercises in preparation for the Olympics on 19 January 2012, with 50 marine police officers in rigid inflatables and fast response boats, joined by up to 100 military personnel and a Lynx Navy helicopter.
Presumably the tax-payer, not the promoters or sponsors, will be footing that bill ..... :idc:

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Security officials are exploiting the Olympics as a once-in-a-generation opportunity to multiply and militarise their weapons stocks, laminating another layer on to the surveillance state. The Games justify a security architecture to prevent terrorism, but that architecture can double to suppress or intimidate acts of political dissent. The Olympic Charter actually prohibits political activism, stating, "no kind of demonstration or political, religious or racial propaganda is permitted in any Olympic sites, venues or other areas". What "other areas" means is open to broad interpretation. So despite Olympics human-rights rhetoric, the charter dictates – if indirectly – that local authorities squelch political activism. On cue, London police recently vowed to scour social media to sniff out any organised protests or disruptions.

The Olympics will militarise London, with surface-to-air missiles at the ready, a Royal Navy battleship moored offshore, and soldiers on patrol. After initially estimating 10,000 security guards would suffice, the London organising committee determined more than double that number would be required. The ministry of defence is filling the gap with about 13,500 military personnel, 4,000 more than are currently based in Afghanistan. Not placated, the US declared it will send its own security to London, including 500 FBI agents.

The Olympics afford an opportunity to test-drive high-tech equipment in an urban setting. Lightweight aerial drones will hover above while "combined firearms response teams" – elite police units replete with snipers – roam below. Thus London 2012 will tender a legacy not touted in bid materials: a repression-ready security state. The military-grade technologies secured during the Olympics-induced state of exception become normalised for workaday policing in the wake of the Games. And this repressive urbanism is expensive: a whopping £1bn and counting.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ondon-olympics

joeysteele 29-04-2012 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott (Post 5107394)
you are not different though you are the same as pyramid :nono:

I am different from in that, I don't follow the mainstream of having everything others do, I am in good company indeed then with Pyramid* at this time.
What does it matter to anyone else if someone or others decide not to do something most others do.

:hugesmile:Anyway what's your opinion on the topic on this thread.Is the M.O.D right or wrong in your opinion?

joeysteele 29-04-2012 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Omah (Post 5107396)
Security



Presumably the tax-payer, not the promoters or sponsors, will be footing that bill ..... :idc:

Well, to be fair Omah, taxpayers money gets wasted right left and centre by all Governments.

Are you really saying it is a waste of taxpayers money to ensure the protection of UK citizens and visiting athletes from all around the World for this event.
I personally don't think it is.

Pyramid* 29-04-2012 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Omah (Post 5107396)
Security



Presumably the tax-payer, not the promoters or sponsors, will be footing that bill ..... :idc:

And? What price human lives?

Care to show figures on how much revenue that will go back into the economy on the back of the Olympics? I'm quite sure there will be projected figures somewhere for that.

If you are going to copy and paste one set of figures: you may as well copy and past the contrast between the costs of one, and the revenue of another. If not: there's little point as all you are going to do is look at 'one side' and not consider another - which ruins the whole proces of debate.

Omah 29-04-2012 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 5107399)
Well, to be fair Omah, taxpayers money gets wasted right left and centre by all Governments.

I know, I'm a tax-payer ..... ;)

joeysteele 29-04-2012 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Omah (Post 5107401)
I know, I'm a tax-payer ..... ;)

So are all my family taxpayers Omah and most of them would be happy to see this money spent on security.
I will be a taxpayer too when I finish Uni by the way.

Patrick 29-04-2012 10:14 AM

The Olympics are such bollocks and if I hear another thing about how amazing it is that they're being held in London etc I will shoot myself - I'd rather listen to World Cup talk than this.

Omah 29-04-2012 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 5107400)
Care to show figures on how much revenue that will go back into the economy on the back of the Olympics? I'm quite sure there will be projected figures somewhere for that.

Projections are just that - projections ..... :idc:

Pyramid* 29-04-2012 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Omah (Post 5107401)
I know, I'm a tax-payer ..... ;)

As am I.....and in this instance, I'm quite happy for some of my funds to be used for this purpose - even though I'm hundreds of miles away. ;)

I don't have any issue with monies being used in pro-actively protecting the UK and it's citizens: regardless which side of the border they live.

Omah 29-04-2012 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Patrick (Post 5107408)
The Olympics are such bollocks and if I hear another thing about how amazing it is that they're being held in London etc I will shoot myself - I'd rather listen to World Cup talk than this.

I tend to agree ..... :thumbs:

Pyramid* 29-04-2012 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Omah (Post 5107409)
Projections are just that - projections ..... :idc:

What you mean is: you've had a look at the projected figures, and realised that the projected revenue figures from the Olympics: and they blow your agrument to smithereens?

You see what I did there..... ;)

Pyramid* 29-04-2012 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Patrick (Post 5107408)
The Olympics are such bollocks and if I hear another thing about how amazing it is that they're being held in London etc I will shoot myself - I'd rather listen to World Cup talk than this.

You better get your gun loaded then Patrick: you'll be hearing it for a long while yet.

Pyramid* 29-04-2012 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 5107413)
What you mean is: you've had a look at the projected figures, and realised that the projected revenue figures from the Olympics: and they blow your agrument to smithereens?

You see what I did there..... ;)



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London 2012 Olympics: Projected revenue hopes rise by £200m
In the Stratford offices of the London 2012 organisers there is a quiet optimism surrounding the final budget – so much so that the accountants have upped their best estimate of revenue. If everything goes well, the budget is tipped to top £2.15 billion, a rise of around £200 million on the previous anticipated figure.


vs


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The cost of security has also increased from 282m to 553m pounds sterling.
:wink:

Pyramid* 29-04-2012 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 5107402)
So are all my family taxpayers Omah and most of them would be happy to see this money spent on security.
I will be a taxpayer too when I finish Uni by the way.


You may not be a tax payer as in from earnings: but you still pay tax Joey on some of the items you yourself will purchase: ie: bottle of wine, few beers, clothing etc. ;)

thesheriff443 29-04-2012 11:01 AM

sounds like an only fools and horses episode,
grandad asks whats those rockets on the roof delboy?
delboys says there fireworks for the olimpicks you plonker
might see if i can pinch a few to sell down the boozer, lubly jubly.

arista 29-04-2012 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 5107433)
sounds like an only fools and horses episode,
grandad asks whats those rockets on the roof delboy?
delboys says there fireworks for the olimpicks you plonker
might see if i can pinch a few to sell down the boozer, lubly jubly.


Spiffing

michael21 29-04-2012 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 5107336)
{"big business" is going to make a packet while ordinary residents will have a summer of hell.}

No Omah
some of the games are in 3-D

:nono: only opening and closing ceremonys

summer of sports on freeview is bliss for me :dance:

Pyramid* 29-04-2012 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omah (Post 5107227)
- "big business" is going to make a packet while ordinary residents will have a summer of hell ..... :eek:


Small B&B owners, small hotel owners will make money - they are 'ordinary residents'.

Small independent shops and small businesses will make money.

Self employed taxi drivers will make money.

Ordinary working folk such as bus drivers etc: will have the opportunity of overtime, as will many other professions.



Of course it's may be 'hell' given the influx of tourists - but I'm quite sure many of the foreign holiday resorts abroad say the same thing: but they put up with it, and because they benefit from it in one way or another - whether directly or indirectly.

Kizzy 29-04-2012 11:58 AM

Can I just point out the figure of 553m is JUST for security...
Then you have the cost of aquiring the land IN LONDON, the actual stadium, the olympic village, the 'cultural' olympic site...It all adds up.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/davidbond...e_cost_of.html

Omah 29-04-2012 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 5107448)
Small B&B owners, small hotel owners will make money - they are 'ordinary residents'.

Small independent shops and small businesses will make money.

Self employed taxi drivers will make money.

Ordinary working folk such as bus drivers etc: will have the opportunity of overtime, as will many other professions.

They will all be excluded from the OG "bonanza" - they cannot even use the word "Olympic" - that is reserved for the big corporations in the OG money-making machine - an extra few quid hardly justifies the upheaval ..... :nono:

Omah 29-04-2012 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kizzy (Post 5107474)
Can I just point out the figure of 553m is JUST for security...
Then you have the cost of aquiring the land IN LONDON, the actual stadium, the olympic village, the 'cultural' olympic site...It all adds up.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/davidbond...e_cost_of.html

Exactly - "the true cost of the Games could be nearer £11bn once the £766m price tag for buying the Olympic Park land and £826m of legacy projects are taken into account."

Pyramid* 29-04-2012 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Omah (Post 5108162)
They will all be excluded from the OG "bonanza" - they cannot even use the word "Olympic" - that is reserved for the big corporations in the OG money-making machine - an extra few quid hardly justifies the upheaval ..... :nono:

Who said anything about them using the insignia/ logo.

The massive influx of tourists and people from from all over the UK means more money being spent all over - it's not just the Blue Chip companies and big players that stand to benefit financially.

You need to think of the bigger picture.

I'm sure there will be plenty of 'everyday punters' who have small businesses that will reap the benefits ...... you are kidding yourself on if you don't think that will be the case.


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