Forced sterilization
 

Thats far too extreme Vicky. D:

I dont see how it is tbh

She will come out of prison (hopefully the children she already has have been took into care or something) and can just have more kids to abuse.

Why though?

You would trust her with another baby?

Because if you start sterilising people like that, then its just the start of slippery slope. Infringing human rights like that should never be considered.

Keep her in prison for life maybe, but to sterilise someone? That's something the Nazis did!

This is it. Its too extreme to stop her having any more kids.

But its fine to take the chance of her doing this to another child.

I said the same about Baby Ps parents too. Some people simply dont deserve to have children. if thats affecting their 'human rights' so be it, the child has the right not to be abused.

I know why in my head but I just find it really hard to put it into words.

I wouldn't trust her with another baby but forcibly altering someone else's body without their consent just crosses a line for me. I could never agree with anything like that no matter the magnitude of a person's crime.

Exactly.

Do you not consider the children to have any rights then?

I would consider a baby knowingly being born into violence like that an infringement of the childs human rights.

I didn't say that. Of course the child has rights, but I fail to see what you're trying to say. That every child who is wronged by an adult has a right to have them sterilised? :conf2:

I agree with Niall, I don't think we should ever give someone the power to decide who's fit to be a parent and who isn't, and forcibly sterilise the latter, that's never ended well historically and the sort of power that is very open to abuse

No just in extreme curcumstances such as this.

Didn't see this edit.

But yeah I suppose thats true, but just because the child's human rights are infringed doesn't mean the adult's rights should be voided. Criminals are humans too and they deserve to be treated with a decent amount of respect, no matter how heinous their crimes.

I go with Vicky on this one, this woman shouldn't be anywhere near children, some people crave having children and cannot but they would give total devotion and love to them if they had any.
This woman will I am sure in prison once it is known what she is in for,get some really rough treatment,it's sad to think there are better morals from some of the worst criminals behind bars than there are from some parents and adults with responsibility towards babies and children.

I agree with Vicky, it's a pity the law doesn't cater for making sure she doesn't have any more of her own. Totally disgusting behaviour and wholly unacceptable treatment of that baby in this incident.

Depends how you define wronged really. Not an occasional smack..though I dont agree with smacking kids at all...but when its purely for the pleasure of the adult dealing the pain, and they seem to enjoy doing it, and its to extremes such as this, yes.

People get banned from keeping pets for less. And I see a child as a bit more important than a pet.

Exactly.

im actually surprised the forced sterilization thing hasnt happened yet in certain countries

I agree with Vicky. Parents like that do not deserve to have children, and should not be allowed to have any more of their own. It's not a god given right to have a child, it's a privilege for most people. There are people out there who would dearly love to have a child, while people like this bitch do not appreciate what they have, and think they can do what the hell they want.

Why should she be able to have more children? She could never be trusted again as far as I am concerned. Would you ever trust her with yours?

There's a difference between a ban and a surgical operation though. You could easily ban someone from having kids and monitor them to make sure they're abiding by such restrictions.

forced sterilization
 

bc of niall~

what are your views on this :suspect:

It does happen (not just in cases like this). And not always with their knowledge.

The ONLY way to do that would be to lock them up for life.

Which I would also be happy with. Unfortunately we dont do that and give them paltry sentences like 18 months.

Would you allow a convicted paedophile the right to have children?

It has. The Nazis used to sterilise disabled people (and gays I think?) because they thought they thought they were genetic dead ends.

How is it not an inherent right to have children when it's something that happens 100% naturally?

I would be all for this only in cases where it can be proven beyond all reasonable doubt that the parent is unfit and the child would suffer because of it.

I disagree that its the only way but fair enough if thats your view.

Yeah I agree sentences should be harsher but with prisons as overcrowded as they are I don't see it happening anytime soon.

I wish they'd do this to all the people in my area, I swear 90% are not fit to be parents :bored:

But no I think in extreme cases maybe, but only extreme cases.

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my sister used to foster and the mother of the kid she was fostering at the time was determined to have 10 kids, she already had 6 kids and all of them were in care but she carried on knowing that as soon as she gave birth the child would be taken away from her :conf2:

she was obviously retarded or something idk /relevant

Even when theres video evidence of her beating the **** out of a defencless chilld?

Surely that video proves she is not fit to look after a child? lol

Like I said in the other thread, never should it be done. Not only is it an infringement on human rights, but its also the start of a slippery slope. I mean after passing a law that allows forced sterilisation, who's to stop us say, lobotomising those who don't comply with the law? Or (like in Sharia law), chopping off someones hand for theft?

It isn't my place to "allow" people to have children

I know someone like this. I think shes onto her 8th child now(she looks about 7/8months pregnant at the moment...I dont speak to her, but I know her) and each time she has them they are took into care. Why keep having them and putting strain on an already bursting system?

She doesnt even take care when pregnant either, she smokes like a chimney, drinks like a fish (and I mean drinks HEAVILY) and eats a load of ****e. I have seen the drinking and smoking first hand the other night(went through around 20 tabs in 3 hours, and drank approx 6 pints of snakebite)...the eating is just what people say :laugh:

Not in that way. In the way that there are certain ways to bring up a child. You cannot just treat a child in any way you see fit. Many parents have their children taken away from them by social services due to neglect etc. A parent has a certain responsibility towards a child.

That is quite obvious. I shall re-phrase for you then. Would you be happy with the fact that convicted paedophiles were allowed to have children.

I agree, I just don't think we should use videos like this to try and justify introducing something such as forced sterilisation

There was a girl who lived on our street a few years back, she casually still went and got hammered with her friends every weekend despite being pregnant. It's just selfishness.
You see all the children at my little brother's school for the disabled and it's filled with children with serious conditions a lot of which are caused by heavy drinkers or smokers.

That's something that needs looking at from the law, prosecuting those who are entirely at fault for their child's conditions.

I don't think it's going to happen tomorrow. People are just giving their views and trying to explain them. Incidents like this spark debate.

I'm actually intruiged...what other ways could you ban someone from having kids and monitor them to make sure they are doing it without having them under 24 hour surveilance?

Sounds like a nice idea of getting rid of wicked parents but:

a) how the hell would it even be carried out? The road it would take to make it okay to capture someone and sterilise them is ridiculous.
b) what are the boundaries? Hitting a child a couple of times? Being a paedophile (but never actually acting upon your paedophilia)?

It's just never going to happen and rightly so. It reeks of the Middle Ages.