Burnley teens jailed for sexually abusing schoolgirl
 

http://www.burnleyexpress.net/news/l...girl-1-4578655

Three years isn't long enough for these toe-rags - they should have been banged up for TEN ..... :mad:

Animals! 3 years isn't enough for them! :mad:

wait, so they arn't arab or muslim? so where are the "white christian british" abusing a child headlines? funny how ethnicity and religion only seem to be in the headline when it's an arab or muslim... hmmmm

I think that the headline to which you refer relates to an organised group of men of mainly Asian origin, sytematically abusing under-aged girls and the media and the government being scared to say that they are Asian and that it's a problem in that community. Hearing that isn't going to turn most decent, thinking people into racists, but it might aid that community in addressing the problem.

This was more of a one-off by some dickheads who deserved to be banged up. And a question... Where the hell were the parents of the "drunk fourteen year old"?

Not to take away from what they did, but why was a 14 year old girl even drunk in the first place? This probably sounds really harsh but she deserved some consequences for breaking the law, obviously not consequences like this but I would hope she never gets drunk again until she's legally allowed to after having this unfortunate, horrible experience happen to her. The guys sound like opportunists, I'm glad they were punished accordingly.

I'd find it difficult to categorically say that any drunk 14 year old having sex is 'rape'... it's not even statutory since they weren't 18.

Obviously we cannot know the girl's identity, but she was described as "vulnerable" and presumably easy prey for the animals who presumably plied her with "love" and alcohol - far from being "opportunists", the scumbags may well have "targetted" her and "groomed" her ..... :hmph:

http://www.rapecrisis.org.uk/childsexualabuse2.php

http://www.cps.gov.uk/news/fact_sheets/sexual_offences/

umm, how is it not rape if someone is drunk? if you cannot legally sign a contract when you are 14, and you cannot legally sign a contract while drunk, then how can you consent to sex?

if someone is that drunk, then they cannot consent, especially a 14 y/o child.

if this was a 14 y/o child that was drunk signing a contract that said, "i hereby entitle you to all of my money" would that contract be legally recognized in a court of law?

NO. why? because she's a drunk 14 y/o child!

so if they cannot even consent to give up money, how can they consent to anything else?

This is absolutely rape.

Were you never drunk as a 14 year old?

You are right it does sound harsh...What 'consequences' would you suggest?

Unfortunately this young girl has probably never faced any consequences for anything. The horrible reality is that if she hadn't been drunk these boys would probably never have touched her or she would probably have been able to defend herself. I think her parents should be prosecuted. She is a child and they are responsible for her until she reaches the age of majority, and they let her down badly.

I wasn't ever drunk at 14. And even as an adult I can honestly say I have never been so drunk that I haven't known what I'm doing and frankly, I worry about women who put themselves in that situation.

It's still rape. She's only 14! :nono:

I'd say quite a lot of teenagers start drinking at about this age, and they're obviously gonna be less aware of their limits at that age and not really realise how drunk they're getting. Her being drunk isn't an excuse for sexually abusing her when she's unconscious

shouldn't the question be "were yu ever raped as a 14 y/o?"

women put themselves in what situation? why should any woman expect to be RAPED just because she drank too much??

Urgh it makes me sick to think of the self righteous idealists who get off on these stories sitting astride their tall horses.
There but forthe grace of god and all that....

the apologists for rapists are what make me sick.

I didn't mean putting themselves in the situation of being raped. I mean I worry about the mindset of women who drink so much they don't know where they are or what they're doing... adult women. A fourteen year old is going to be even less able to make good judgements under the influence of alcohol. Of course that doesn't mean I think she deserved to be raped. Not at all. But at fourteen years old I think her parents have to bear some of the responsibility for allowing their child to be placed in danger in this way.

This is rape. There's no excuse for it. :hmph:

I used to drink at 14. I dont think its fair to blame the parents for this tbh...short of actually nailing my windows shut (which would probably be illegal or something) there was nothing they could do to keep me in the house during that very rough period of my life. I went totally off the rails in my teens for private reasons that I wont say on here. My parents desperately tried to control my behaviour but if they grounded me I would just climb out a window, or go out straight from school...if they tried picking me up from school to avoid me going AWOL I would skip the last lesson to avoid them...etc etc

Parents cant always control what their teens do.

Luckily I got the help I needed quite quickly and was back to normal after a few months. But during those months, nothing my parents did would have made any difference to my behaviour.

Fair enough, but my group of friends at that age used to go to the park and get drunk every weekend, and there were lots of girls involved. I'm not really a drinker at all these days, but that's because I have nightmarish hangovers, but back in those days we were all practically passing out drunk.

I did grow up in a rural Oxfordshire village, where there wasn't a lot else to do on the weekends.

I'd say your experience of self-control, is something that most teenagers have never had.

you cant blame the parents the girl could of said im just going to a mates house
its like the parents in dunblane they took their kids school how did know a man was going to get in and shoot them.

No, because I was asking Zee a specific question about his post, where he'd said (I'm paraphrasing) that "what on earth was a 14 year old doing drinking?".

My post had nothing whatsoever to do with the rape, which I don't think anyone is defending, anyway.

You say that your parents tried desperately to control you behaviour... and that you got the help you needed and was back to normal after a few months. I'm guessing your parents were instrumental in getting you that help. I'm sure lots of kids go off the rails, but you have to agree that in many cases parents don't give a monkey's where their teenagers are or what they're doing. When something bad happens to them, or when they do something bad, it's always someone else's fault. I know that at 14 you think you're very sophisticated and grown up, but you're not, you're a child. If their parents aren't responsible for them, who is?

you can have the most careing parents in the world and still grow up to be a rapist.

Oh yes definitely.

I'm not saying this case is anything at all like mine, was just trying to point out how the parents cant always stop things like this. Of course they need to take responsibility for their child, but prosecuting them over something they may have tried to control is a bit harsh IMO. I would say they have been punished enough by having their daughter go through this in the first place :S

Of course theres always a chance they simply didnt care and just let her get on with what she wanted to do because they couldnt be arsed to look after her properly...but I dont think its always as simple as saying that the parents should have stopped it.

The Dunblane analogy is a bit tenuous.

I just think it's got to start somewhere... the restraint... the accepting of consequences. This country has a shameful image the world over of drunkeness. Any town centre on a Saturday night paints a vivid picture of what we've become - boys fighting and vomiting, girls laying in the road or stumbling along drunkenly, it's horrible, and it doesn't really happen in other countries. Other places seem to have developed a healthy attitude to alcohol, but here, we have to drink until we're incoherent. A little off topic now, I think... but whatever, however drunk this girl was, she certainly didn't deserve what happened to her.

Oh yeah I definitely agree with this.

You know, I worked in greece a few years back...where 14 year olds are allowed to drink. Yet I never once saw a drunk 14 year old...where as here, I only have to go to my local shop on a friday night to have groups of them falling about and asking me to go in the shop and get them more cheap cider :S

Even as adults, I dont see the need in getting blind drunk where you pass out and cant remember a thing the next day, I like a drink, but I know when I have had enough, and I stop. Shame others dont seem to be able to do that too.

its simple even if you have bad parents she did not deserve to be raped.

I'm the same... I'll have a drink with friends, or have friends round and maybe get a bit daft, but never falling-over drunk and I'd never be drunk in public. I don't know where this country went wrong, really. Loads of the young people I know get tanked up before they even go out.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing...This poor child, her life may be ruined by this abuse.
Why it has to come down to a hand wringing lament to 'family values' I'm not sure, there were any societal issues in relation to the case...
Simply two sober young men taking advantage of a vulnerable child.
http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk...se_of_girl_14/