Sweden make forced marriages a criminalised offence!
 

http://www.thelocal.se/41012/20120524

Good move:). I hope the UK follows suit!

Even if the UK followed suit it would still go on. All kept hush hush within the 'community'.

I agree and I know plenty of people who have had forced marriages, although something clearly needs to be done about things like this...

The Scandinavians are way ahead of the rest of world

Really? That must be awful for them

Yes that stinks

Rubbish
they are a Far smaller amount
of people.


And they have Nazi's
ready to Murder Socialists
(Also in Norway)

Denmark especially, Danish people are amazing and always happy :love:

http://www.tiptoptens.com/2012/02/07...-to-live-2012/

Yeah the Scandinavian countries are great

I would of hoped it already was criminal to force a marriage?...

Scandinavia uber alles.

oh plz. they are just as ****ed up as the rest of us. ask julian Assange, he used to think they were better too...

At least they have the decency to make forced marriages a criminal offense. Everyone else could learn from that.

Bit suspect all the countries being European.

I'm pretty sure FORCING anyone to do anything is illegal in the UK. Last time i checked it's a free country.

You're a don, Alex. Well done for completely contradicting your own argument. I think you'll find that forced marriage hasn't yet been made illegal in the UK, as has been mentioned in this thread. Go away, learn the lingo, do your research then think about coming back to have an argument.

lul

yur lucky I don't report to the mods everytime time someone says something insulting to me, unlike you and some other people around here who have a trigger happy "report" finger and love to get me infractions every 5 seconds for things i say that arn't even half as insulting.

Keep on enjoying your double standards though. :)

How do you know I report you? I don't see your name in green anywhere, mate. You made a completely wrong statement and I''m pointing out the truth to you. What is the point of being on an open forum posting away if when someone disagrees with you or knows for an absolute fact you're wrong you do this? I wasn't being insulting - I don't insult people when I argue cases, certainly not over the internet. I just pointed out the truth. And I suppose it's funny that you didn't even attempt a constructive reply to my actual post you quoted because you know I'm right.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...matrimony-laws

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_...tion)_Act_2007

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...age-illegal-uk

i already replied to you in a "constructive" manner. I said: it is already ILLEGAL for anyone to FORCE someone into marriage in the UK. THAT IS A FACT. are you too much of a "don" to comprehend that?

You were the one that decided to be a total ***** in response, so obviously it's YOU who cannot respond in a mature or "constructive" way.

Forced MARRIAGES ARE ILLEGAL IN EVERY WESTERN COUNTRY. the US, Canada, Australia, UK, all of the EU.... so i don't understand why you are acting like it's impressive that it's illegal in scandanavia. You cannot FORCE anyone to marry someone in ANY western country. that's a FACT. you can't FORCE anyone to do ANYTHING in any free country. That's what makes free countries free.

IF you don't understand that, then poo on you, but don't act like i'm the one who's ignorant.

From what I've read, forced marriages in the UK (not Scotland) are subject to civil law but not criminal law, so, technically, forced marriage is NOT illegal.

Alex, you entered an argument without even knowing the facts. You clearly stated that forced marriage is illegal in the UK because we're a free country (and by the way the UK isn't a country - it's made up of countries). I told you that isn't true (and you should have picked that up from the thread as it's been mentioned numerous times). No, it isn't illegal, as I think you'll find. As Omah rightly says, if you are found forcing someone to marry and actually going through with it, you are subject to civil law but not criminal law. Criminal law is the bridge between legal and illegal. As in the UK you're not subject to criminal law as a consequence of forced marriage it therefore isn't illegal over here. Are you too little of a don to understand that?

In fact, for the sake of it, yeah, that's right - I believe it's very impressive that Scandinavia has made forced marriage illegal (because it is - that's a fact, dear). So does everyone else on this thread. Why are you having a go at only me but not them?

No the UK is a single country. What you call countries are called states or provinces in other countries. The UK has 1 single seat at the UN and 1 single team at the olympics, why? because the UK is one single country. If you think england, wales, and scotland are separate countries, well then take it up with the UN, not me.

To be honest, fair enough with that, so kudos to you (my personal flaw) but the rest of my post is correct.

Well i think it would be criminal to force someone to marry, i'm assuming some violence or intimidation must be involved to FORCE someone to sign a document against their will. You cannot be married without both parties signature correct?

The thing is, it isn't criminal over here. Immoral, yes (quite presumably) but most definitely not illegal. What's your opinion has been absolutely crushed to crumbs by statistics, as has been explained to you numerous times on this thread. Here - where we have valid substantiation present to prove and disprove arguments - we have to argue objectively (i.e. as a definite answer), not subjectively (i.e. not as an opinion, e.g. I think voluntary euthanasia is wrong but you're welcome to disagree) and if you cannot comprehend that then I'm not wasting my time arguing with you on this matter.

So you are telling me, a man can walk into a british office and violently force a woman to sign a marriage application? and there would be no criminal charges laid against that man?

i don't believe it.

Yes thanks to New Labour

Well, look, whether or not you believe it, it's true. You can argue about this and take it round the houses all day but it's been proven in black and white. You have to accept that, whether or not you agree with it.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publica...rs?view=Binary

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publica...on?view=Binary

It doesn't matter who put the law in action. It's still legal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom

The UK does not have a team at the Olympics :

The British Isles are made up of several overlapping components :

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...diagram_15.svg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Termino..._British_Isles

It's rather more complicated than the simple country/state analogy

I think you've scooped the prize for best link today ..... :thumbs:

:worship:

1 seat at the UN. The UK is a "soverign state" so what does that mean. lol if the UK wants to be called a state, does that mean you think all 50 of the American states are individual countries too??

we are playing semantics. it's boring.

The UKGBNI is a country, just like the USA, or the Soviet Union(r.i.p.) or the PRC(people's republic of china)

Ahhh....Having had a little skeg through the UK are maybe acting a little tricky on this and I agree...
Instead of criminalising the act of 'forced marriage' and risk a cultural backlash, the factors relating to the offence are already covered by current legislation...

Kidnapping
Child Abduction
Assault
False Inprisonment
Threats to kill
Public Order offences
Sexual offences
Harrassment/ stalking
Child cruelty
Blackmail

All these can be put forward as representative and carry considerable sentences...

Fanks! :hugesmile:

Thank you so much for posting that, Omah. It seems Alex's entire argument was wrong, then.

actually it's not lol, the UK still only has 1 UN seat and 1 olympic team.

please tell me what other olympic teams or UN seats the UK has...

I don't see how he proved anything i said wrong... lol