when spoirul used the \"n\" word
 

He was incredibly lucky that John wasnt the type to take offence. If he had said that word to some of my mates he would have got knocked out before the he drew another breath..
The problem is now one black person has told him he can say it he will be dropping it all over the place, a sure recipe for trouble.
That Vanilla Ice wannabe is really starting to grate on me, I hope to god he doesnt make it into the real house.

I agree with you, but he will definately be in the real house, as *******ign likes him, and has sussed who she evicts will go next door. He reminds me of Maggot from celebrity BB in the stereotypical sense, although I think Maggot is a bit of a geek underneath it all.

yeah on the surface he could be compared to the maggot, but maggot is a down to earth humble fella, the GLC are not exactly taking themselves seriously.hehe.
Spoirul is one of those people who thinks because he has got a few rap records in his collection he's a gangsta, even though John
is probably the first black person he's ever met (judging by asking if its ok to use the "n" word), I bet a million black people sighed when John gave him permission to use it........

What did Spiral say with the 'n' word? What a clown he thinks hes a rapper but uses the 'n' word? Thats how you know for a fact hes never taken his music serious but likes to tell people hes a rapper.

he asked if it would John would mind him saying it when they are singing rap songs. "is it ok for me to say n_____?" honestly it was a bit late cos he just did.lol.
Only a black person has the right to use that word in my view, if a white person says it to another white person as a term of endearment its just tacky, and if a caucasian says it to a black person its just disrespectful.
spoirul is like a bull in a china shop.

That's not exactly how it happened. He asked Jonathan if he minded white kids using it in songs that they sampled or free-styled from other black artists, 50 cent was the one he mentioned specifically.

And good on Jonathan for being decent and straight about it. Surely, in order for it to be considered racist, it's the intention and meaning behind the use of the word?

Anyway, I usually avoid posting in these threads about racism, and who is or is not racist, but I thought it was important to at least ensure you are reporting what Spiral said correctly.

how stupid is the 'Only a black person has the right to use that word' if there going to ues other people are going to ues it

i totally agree to what john said

Only a black person has the right to decide if that word is offensive, I have a few black mates who feel it is an insult, I wouldnt dream of saying it because Ive seen one mate genuinely upset by the use of it. If a rap record tells you to put your hand in a fire would you do it?
There are plenty of intelligent hip hop artists out there that detest that word, Im not saying that black rappers that use it are in the wrong, but they do let down a lot of people of their own race. Fair enough a white guy can appreciate 2pac or biggie for being great lyricists but its wrong to think you can follow in their shoes.
Even Eminem has more sense than to use the "n" word freely. he knows he would be shot if he started gobbing it off, he leaves that word to the members of D12 who have a right to use it.,

Oh, you're as hard as nails :bored:

No. I think it's offensive.

Shame about the music..

That's like saying if have the right to call you all sorts, where is the logic in that?
It's a rude word and no-one should "have the right" to use it, whether they are black or white. They're basically calling one of their so-called "friends" a slave anyway.

Who cares what these bloody rapper morons think anyway? loooool.

spiral is cool and would be using it as an offence

nah mate im not saying im hard, im a big softie. Ive just got friends who would see red if a white bloke said that word in their presence. i think a lot of the rappers who do use the word thought they were trying to make a statement by using it in referance to their own status and culture. They still feel like they are second class citizens in the states.
Problem is white kids got a taste for the music and didnt really listen to the lyrics of quality rappers like KRS-1 and Chuck D, they just listened to the comedy
gangsta rap of NWA and took it way to seriously and literally.
Now the states and Europe is full of white flupwits like Spoiral who are wannabe cartoon blackmen. Sad.

No. He is a wannabe "gangster".

lol and Dublin really is "the ghetto" eh? what is it about middle class youth's who feel they have to pretend they have had it rough? why not just be happy and thankful their parents are well off?

I don't agree - if black people have the 'right' to use the word, then don't white people? What happened to equality. I mean, if someone directs the word at a black person as an insult, I'd see it as offensive whether that someone was black or white.

Exactly, if black people don't have any respect for themselves, then why should we give them any?

from one black guy to another,jon is just as ignorant as spiral.i feel no-one should use that word irrelevevant of race,creed or culture and for jon to say it's o.k to use it when rapping is just stupid.eminem never uses that word and he is THE greatest "white" rapper of all time.also,for black rapper' s to uses that word just takes a whole race of people back 100 years to when we really were just *******.

of course black people have respect for themselves. like devils advocate says"rblack rapper' s to uses that word just takes a whole race of people back 100 years to when we really were just n______"
If your white and want to use that word go ahead, i just hope you have the balls to say it in front of a black fella who will bring you down a peg or two, rather thajn one who will be upset and have a break down over it.

I can barely understand yours or devilsadvocate's.

victims of abuse should be free to discuss their treatment by their oppresors between one another. thats what rap music was all about in the first place, it's rebel music like reggae.
the difference is the children of the oppressers got a taste for the music and misread the content and context of what the art form stands for.

thats a remarkably civilsed reply devil, to a bit of an ignorent question.

theres alot of ignorant hip hop hate here, easypeasy

Where does the 'n' word come into black people's discussion of their treatment by their opressors? As far as I've heard, the subject of a lot of rap music is certainly not that. Maybe I'm missing something...

imagine your fat... and you always get dissed by your mates for being fat, but in a light harted way, like as a joke. Thats the same when people say *****.


HOPE THAT HELPS THE REST

hey i love hip-hop, doesnt mean i feel the need to go round saying the "n" word like a parrot though.
As for you Jaz i suggest you go listen to some old skool and find out where it all started. check out some Boogie Down Productions or Public Enemy......

malcom. out of THE ROYAL FAMILY the old show that use to be on BB2. Thats who you look like easypeasy, hmmm what do you think?

hehe id rather look like him than a member of the real royal family mate......you look like a tarty version of Glyn in your pic! :tongue:

lol. yeah, glyns alright, long curly hair is in, this season.

are you sure he's not been moonlighting as a housemate in the australian bb? his cheeks look red like somethings been slapping against them a lot.........:spin:

i don't want to get too deep into this but i feel i have to.there is a line in an (fairly) old spike lee film,(i think it's called school daze), where larry fishbourne turn to sameul l.jackson and said " you're not *****s." this hits the nail on the head for me. the n word was'nt banded about in hip-hop until the late 80's/early 90's with N.W.A and such other so-called rap groups/artists.way back,grand master melle mel never used that word,neither did afrika bambaataa,KRS-1,big daddy kane,rakim, or (as easy has mentioned),public enemy.it seems that now it is o.k to be seen as a N***** because that is all black people can be/are.... which is bulls***!
it's not something that should be celebrated,nor is it something to be worn like some kind of badge of honour. how would snoop dogg feel after being whipped for looking at a white woman.maybe i'm wrong,but he may think to himself,"this ***** stuff is'nt all it's cracked up to be.i don't want to be a ***** anymore.wheres my gin and juice."
the whole jon/spiral thing was just two thick and dim people trying not to offend each other.....which is also bulls***.

"how would snoop dogg feel after being whipped for looking at a white woman"
quality mate. that last reply says it all, the rebirth of that word is recent and it pays no respect to generations of black musicians who fought hard to get their music recognised in a white owned music industry, I dont really understand why someonec with incredible talent such as Stevie Wonder should have broke down
barriers just to have mr "doggy dogg" put them up again. I blame the children of the sixties for not educating their own children.

and the 70's,80's,90's etc.

Well said Easypesee.

Some words cut deeper than others. Eventually all words lose or change their meaning.

The N word is probably the oldest derogatory term that's as offensive now to most people than it was back then.

I've seen old films from the 20's and 30's that feature this word as a description. Blazing Saddles also infers the use of this word too for comedic value.

Sometimes it can be funny, but it really does depend on the situation.

Having watched the highlights of the conversation, I have to say it wasn't as bad as portrayed by the original poster.

It was a question that Jonathon answered truthfully. Some people might disagree with his views but it was a question asked to find out about a stranger.

I've asked several black guys that I've got on well with what the N word actually means or meant, but only one has given the statement that it's a very bad word indeed.

I wonder if the actual meaning and the modern definition resembles each other??

To be honest everybody saying it was okay for Spiral to use the 'n' word are just ignorant. Some black people find the word very degrading. Because of the history of the word a white person saying it is just very ignorant and stupid.

Mate, I beg that you take a look at how ignorant you are and **** off?

I liked that way that Jonathan didn't take offence to what Spiral said, he's right, society has moved on. If true equality is wanted then everyone has to be prepared for someone of any race or culture to say words, and act in certain ways.

who's to say society has moved on? who is "society" anyway? It's pretty obvious a lot of black people still find the word deeply offensive.....are they wrong to feel that way?

Who's to say Spiral wouldn't take offence with the way you spelt his name on the title of this thread. :conf:

spoirul is kind of sleazy.