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arista

11-07-2012 06:13 PM

G4S is now having to use Army at the Olympics

G4S failed to get enough staff
so the Army now has to do menial tasks

Reported on SkyNewsHD and Ch4news

[MoD fury as soldiers forced to carry out menial security tasks for Olympic Games
Thousands more Armed Forces personnel will be forced to carry out “menial” security work for the Olympic Games, leaving defence chiefs furious]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oly...pic-Games.html

Well Omah its a mess

Omah	11-07-2012 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 5294281)

Well Omah its a mess

It certainly is ..... and who's going to foot the bill ?

Not the fat cats "sponsoring" the Games but the taxpayers so-called representatives, the Tory Government, who can't afford an army to protect the country (apparently) but who are prepared to use what little we've got to "pat down" Olympic ticket holders and tell them where the nearest toilets are ..... :rolleyes:

lostalex

12-07-2012 08:28 AM

I think because of the '72 munich games incident and also the '96 bombing it's right that the Olympics should have super tight security. It's obviously a major target. Even if they are doing menial tasks at least they'll be there.

Omah	12-07-2012 09:49 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18806936

Quote:

Retired Colonel Richard Kemp, a former infantry commander in the British Army, said the timing of the announcement was "bizarre".

"We've known about the Olympic Games for seven years, if we couldn't have planned better than this then there's something wrong," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

Colonel Kemp said he understood many of the extra troops being drafted in had just returned from Afghanistan - or were about to be deployed there - and would have been due to go on leave.

Sources at the Ministry of Defence said the extra military personnel would be compensated if they had their leave cancelled.

The BBC understands the extra troops were put on a "one day" notice to move recently, in anticipation of the problems at G4S.

The government has previously said a total security force of 23,700 will take care of venue security, including 13,500 troops and the G4S contingent.

So more than 10% of the Biritish Army will be "guarding" the OG - presumably paid for by the taxpayer - meanwhile the "sponsors" have a monoploy on sales withing the Olympic venues and will be raking in the profits .....

Many of those troops will, of course, be facing redundancy due to Tory Government cuts .....

Kizzy

12-07-2012 09:55 AM

Well if the tories had spent more time planning for the olympics than shmoozing Mr wonga.com and cuddling up to Mr Murdock.....

arista

12-07-2012 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kizzy (Post 5295889)

Well if the tories had spent more time planning for the olympics than shmoozing Mr wonga.com and cuddling up to Mr Murdock.....

Kizzy New Labour Started it
they were in power until 2010.

arista

12-07-2012 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 5295779)

I think because of the '72 munich games incident and also the '96 bombing it's right that the Olympics should have super tight security. It's obviously a major target. Even if they are doing menial tasks at least they'll be there.

Yes the Terror Gun Muslim Men
(if they appear) will be Shot Dead.

We are not having what went down in India.

Omah	12-07-2012 10:17 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18806936

Quote:

G4S will have overall control of security at more than 30 Olympics sporting venues and 70 "non-competition" venues such as car parks and hotels.

Some of the people contracted to work for G4S have told the BBC the company has given them little information.

One caller to BBC Radio 5live, Jane, from Manchester, said she had heard nothing from G4S since April.

"I had an interview in March and I had training for a security licence in April, and then since then there has been very little information about what actually the job role is," she said.

"I have had no job training. I don't even know where I'm going to work, or what kind of work its going to be or when it's going to start."

G4S may well employing some right undesirables (not "Jane", of course) ..... :hmph:

Livia

12-07-2012 12:52 PM

After having their number cut down to 80,000... not exactly a suitable thank you for their service... I hope the army tells them to go and **** themselves.

michael21

12-07-2012 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 5294281)

there no story here the army job is to protect the UK from any threat if some one try to blow-up the Olympics the army we stop then

arista

12-07-2012 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 5296244)

After having their number cut down to 80,000... not exactly a suitable thank you for their service... I hope the army tells them to go and **** themselves.

No they are all getting Paid.

Omah	12-07-2012 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by michael21 (Post 5296362)

there no story here the army job is to protect the UK from any threat if some one try to blow-up the Olympics the army we stop then

The (re-assigned) army will not be protecting the UK, but just the sponsors investment and the Tory Governments interests ..... :nono:

Kizzy

12-07-2012 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 5295901)

Kizzy New Labour Started it
they were in power until 2010.

That was two years ago...Have the tories been sitting on their hands for two years?...

arista

12-07-2012 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kizzy (Post 5296408)

That was two years ago...Have the tories been sitting on their hands for two years?...

No
the Conservative -LibDems
are doing good
and not the Corruption New Labour Had

michael21

12-07-2012 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 5296426)

No
the Conservative -LibDems
are doing good
and not the Corruption New Labour Had

so going on about the same thing and stay on topic

arista

12-07-2012 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omah (Post 5296391)

The (re-assigned) army will not be protecting the UK, but just the sponsors investment and the Tory Governments interests ..... :nono:

Yes Omah
alot on money is involved.

But any Terror M16 Gun Man
will be shot dead

That is what matters here.

We are not like India

Omah	12-07-2012 03:53 PM

London 2012: G4S recruits angry over Games hiring delays

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18767999

Quote:

People recruited by security company G4S to work during the Olympics have spoken of anger and disappointment over their treatment.

The company is being paid £300m to supply 10,000 guards for the Games, but the BBC understands it cannot now bring in that number.

Anger has been growing for weeks among those involved in G4S's recruitment process.

Nosa Eghobamien, 19, from Watford, has been told that she both has and has not got a job.

She was trained, then told her application had not been accepted, then told to collect her uniform, but earlier was told she is still being screened.

She said: "I was so excited to work there.

"It makes me upset and not want to watch the Olympics knowing I could have been working there."

Mike Curtis, of High Wycombe, said his daughter had also been left disappointed.

He said: "She initially undertook training and received a contract to be one of the security staff some time ago, but then received no further information until she received an email at short notice with details of a final training day."

She was unable to attend.

"No alternatives were provided and it was impossible to contact anyone at G4S," he added.

One parent told the BBC that many young people had taken time out of studying for A-levels to complete training for jobs they had not been given.

She said: "For a lot of young people this is their first employment. They are distraught and angry."

Darius Athill, from London, described a "long and laborious" process after applying for a job months ago.

"I went for an interview and was sent for security vetting. I was then told I had passed screening and vetting and that I would hear back from them.

"I was sent contracts and given a login to a website, which didn't work. After calling a helpline and waiting hours to get through they had no idea what I was talking about."

Chris, from London, said: "I was offered the role of team leader.

"I have now been actively chasing G4S for two months and every time I have called I have been told I will be contacted shortly to arrange training and that I should be patient."

Labour's Tessa Jowell said on Wednesday there was "clearly a serious problem".

Not just serious - potentially catastrophic ..... :pipe:

arista

12-07-2012 04:01 PM

Yes I look forward to Ch4 Docu
and the BBC1 Docu on this.

Ch4 's is now 30mins ending at 8:30PM
BBC1's starts then

So now you can watch both within a hour

arista

12-07-2012 04:09 PM

SkyNewsHD is reporting a a whistleblower
who claims a bomb could have been planted in there.

So with these Pro Troops there ,
they are now
able to get Better Security Control.

And
Minister: Games Security Is Not A 'Shambles'
http://news.sky.com/story/959028/min...not-a-shambles

arista

12-07-2012 04:42 PM

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...f_2275176k.jpg

McD making sure everything is Fresh and Ready.

arista

12-07-2012 04:43 PM

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...e_2275174k.jpg

A muslim food area

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...d_2275149k.jpg

A Caribbean Food Section

Omah	12-07-2012 05:17 PM

"That'll be €69.00 for the Ayam Chicken McD and Milo, please"

:eek:

arista

12-07-2012 05:52 PM

Good news though
any Fish and Chip sellers can sell near McD.

But Never Chips on their Own (Thats McD as you know)
Only when bought with Fish.

Scarlett.

13-07-2012 01:24 AM

I can't wait the the Corperate Games **** off out of our country.

arista

13-07-2012 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chewy (Post 5298754)

I can't wait the the Corperate Games **** off out of our country.

Its not here for long.

(also there should be Legacy project , after the Event,
that will help you in some way in the future)

But Enough time for the Bloated BBC
to burn all our money on it
as they go over the top.

3-D Sony Hire (and there Tech staff)
is not cheap.

arista

13-07-2012 05:17 PM

From midnight tonight
no plane can Fly over the Zone
the City Airport
Flys to Scotland as normal.

Infact that the only way a hijacked plane could get close
is on the London City Airport route
But they have all the Data of planes that are due to land each day.

A RAF Officer said on ITV1London Local News
there are many steps before the final
which is to shoot the Terror Plane Down.

http://media.skynews.com/media/image...-1-522x293.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/...30_634x343.jpg

Omah	13-07-2012 10:38 PM

London 2012: G4S to lose up to £50m on Olympics contract

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18837524

Quote:

Security firm G4S has said it stands to lose up to £50m after it announced it was unable to provide enough security guards for the London Olympics.

G4S said it was "deeply disappointed" and accepted responsibility for the costs of extra military personnel.

The culture secretary has said any serviceman who had been inconvenienced would have their costs repaid through refunds from the contract.

Jeremy Hunt* told BBC Radio 4's Any Questions: "If there's an apology for the fact that this has had to happen at the last moment, then I'm willing to give it, of course."

"But I also think that most people in the army and the forces are very proud of the fact that that is what they are there to do, to help us at the moments when we need them."

The Commons Public Accounts Committee has summoned G4S, two government departments and 2012 organisers Locog to answer questions in September.

MPs want to know why G4S was unable to hire enough staff.

Ian Swales, a Liberal Democrat MP and member of the committee said G4S should have provided a "Rolls-Royce service" after increasing its charges by £198m.

"We were really concerned because when the announcement of the doubling of the number of security personnel was made we looked at the breakdown of the costs and we saw that the G4S contract was going up from £86m to £284m, which felt like a colossal amount of money," he said.

Prime Minister David Cameron said: "I'm absolutely clear that if companies don't deliver on their contracts then they should be pursued for that money".

But Mr Cameron tried to change the focus of attention away from security, saying: "We should be raising our sights, and thinking of the incredible inspiration that these Games are going to bring.

"The facilities are built, the country is ready, we are in really good shape."

The man in charge of London 2012, Lord Sebastian Coe, denied the Olympics was in "crisis".

Shadow Home Secretary Yvette Cooper said the situation looked like "another Home Office shambles".

* It's That Man Again !

Omah	14-07-2012 10:02 AM

London 2012: G4S 'only knew eight days ago' of staff shortage

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18840464

Quote:

Senior managers at G4S only realised "eight or nine days ago", that they could not provide enough security guards for the London Olympics, the company's chief executive has said.

Nick Buckles told the BBC that problems in the recruitment and deployment process were only recently identified.

He also could not guarantee all the security staff spoke fluent English.

G4S will charge Olympic organisers Locog £280m, but says it will lose up to £50m on the contract.

Mr Buckles said the company accepted it had "underestimated the task of supplying staff to the Olympics".

"We deeply regret that... and we are deeply disappointed. It was a daunting task to supply that number of staff in a short time scale.

"I began to know it was going wrong eight or nine days ago... Basically we are recruiting a large number of people and they are all working through a process of interview, two or three different degrees of training, licensing and accreditation.

"It is only when you get closer to the Games, you realise that the number is not as high as you expect," Mr Buckles added.

What are these managers "managing" ?

Don't they have plans, schedules, targets and reviews ?

:idc:

MTVN	14-07-2012 11:05 AM

So much for the efficiency of these private security companies

arista

14-07-2012 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 5302441)

So much for the efficiency of these private security companies

http://manchestermule.com/wp-content...ck-Buckles.jpg
Yes the G4S CEO Nick Buckles goes into Parliament
to be Questioned
this week.

Live on all UK News Ch.

arista

14-07-2012 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omah (Post 5302340)

What are these managers "managing" ?

Don't they have plans, schedules, targets and reviews ?

:idc:

Old G4S
data sheets.

Yes they have plans
that why 2 weeks before
they are using Army and RAF spares
better now than 2 days before.

Kizzy

14-07-2012 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 5302441)

So much for the efficiency of these private security companies

Lets not let old Theresa May of the hook... She is also accountable for this.
Thats what you get for letting the tories privatise everything and de-regulate the eff out of our public services...... You get this! a shambles...

Private companies rake in large amounts from the government for running care homes, hospitals, security services staff them with low skilled low paid people.

And voila, you have a country that is coming apart at the seams....

arista

14-07-2012 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kizzy (Post 5302658)

Not apart at the seams
Are you aware that that speed humps on the Routes are being
removed so the official cars get a smooth ride to the Events.
After the speed humps go back, of course

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/...86_634x424.jpg

Kizzy

14-07-2012 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 5302689)

naturally....

Omah	17-07-2012 09:33 AM

London 2012: G4S chief faces MPs' scrutiny of security

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18866153

Quote:

G4S chief executive Mr Buckles, who is due to appear before the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee, has said he is "bitterly disappointed" at his company's failure to meet the terms of its contract.

An insider from the committee organising the Olympics (Locog) has told the BBC that fit failed to deal with the problems at G4S despite warnings over the last 18 months.

Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt said it was no time for a "witch-hunt" but "contingency plans" were in place if G4S further failed to deliver. He told the BBC's Newsnight programme the government had "moved very quickly" when it learned of the company's staffing issues, adding that ministers would have been failing at their jobs if they didn't have a back-up plan that worked.

Police, meanwhile, have had to deploy extra officers at short notice from eight UK forces to do Olympic security work after the company's staff failed to turn up to venues.

Greater Manchester Police had to deploy officers to provide security at a hotel in Salford where four Olympic football teams will stay - after only 17 of an expected 56 G4S staff turned up for work.

IAC 2012 - It's A Cock-up !

:rolleyes:

Kizzy

17-07-2012 09:41 AM

Of course... I hope this is a wake up call for the government, and they reverse their plans to get rid of frontline and back room trained professional police officers and replace them with these 'security' officers.

Omah	17-07-2012 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kizzy (Post 5311629)

Of course... I hope this is a wake up call for the government, and they reverse their plans to get rid of frontline and back room trained professional police officers and replace them with these 'security' officers.

You may hope ..... but there's no chance ..... :(

Cuts have got to be made (as long as it doesn't affect Castle Cameron ..... :rolleyes:)

lostalex

17-07-2012 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 5300073)

http://media.skynews.com/media/image...-1-522x293.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/...30_634x343.jpg

mmm, sexy

arista

17-07-2012 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 5311713)

mmm, sexy

Protecting Everyone in the Zone.

Beverley

17-07-2012 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 5296244)

After having their number cut down to 80,000... not exactly a suitable thank you for their service... I hope the army tells them to go and **** themselves.

112,000 troops to 82,000 troops, many old regiments are being cut or merged (just like they did in 1993/4, example of the time, I originally joined The Royal Corps of Transport which was soon merged into The Royal Logistics Corps).

Alot of cut personel will be those who are currently in rehab after losing a limb or several limbs. While the Government is playing the happy pc brigade our lads and lasses are stuffed into high rise flats that most rooms will not allow wheelchair access, therefore they have to crawl room to room, folding the wheelchair down to get it in behind them. Meanwhile, new 'arrivals' into the UK get to live in splendid accomodation at the taxpayers expense, mobile phones provided, cars, sofa's, dining room sets, even paint and wallpaper.

The lads and lasses down at the Olympics will be in tents, on basic care, minimal sleep, cookhouses set up in tents, you name it.

The army's excuse, and I've heard this so many times myself, "you are paid 0:00 hours to 23:39 hours every day".

Source: 7.5 years service myself, fiance of a current serving soldier of 16 years.

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