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Tom4784 22-12-2012 03:00 PM

NRA Blames Games and Films for recent shootings
 
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The NRA has lashed out at violent entertainment as the cause of the recent shootings in Newtown, Connecticut. In a press conference held earlier today and a statement posted on the NRA’s official site, NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre said violent crime is increasing and that “there exists in this country a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people.”

LaPierre specifically called out “vicious, violent video games with names like Bulletstorm, Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat and Splatterhouse” and pointed to a ten year-old flash game called Kindergarten Killer as well as “blood-soaked slasher films like American Psycho and Natural Born Killers.” LaPierre said such films “are aired like propaganda loops on ‘Splatterdays’ and every day” along with “a thousand music videos that portray life as a joke and murder as a way of life.”

“And then they have the nerve to call it ‘entertainment,’” LaPierre added, “but is that what it really is? Isn't fantasizing about killing people as a way to get your kicks really the filthiest form of pornography? In a race to the bottom, media conglomerates compete with one another to shock, violate and offend every standard of civilized society by bringing an ever-more-toxic mix of reckless behavior and criminal cruelty into our homes — every minute of every day of every month of every year.”

LaPierre said “a child growing up in America witnesses 16,000 murders and 200,000 acts of violence by the time he or she reaches the ripe old age of 18” and called upon parents to protect their children, adding “they're our kids. They're our responsibility. And it's not just our duty to protect them — it's our right to protect them.” Rallying against gun control, LaPierre called upon Congress “to put armed police officers in every school” in order to “make sure that blanket of safety is in place when our children return to school in January.”

In response to LaPierre’s statements, Jennifer Mercurio, vice president & general counsel at the Entertainment Consumers Association (ECA), issued the following statement:

“We agree with the Supreme Court's decisions, and the volumes of scientific research, which all clearly state that there is no causal link between media violence and real life violence. As we are all learning increasingly through the news, this is a situation of the perpetrator's mental disorders, and his family's inability to adequately deal with them in time. Our hearts remain with all those suffering in the aftermath of this horrendous crime.”

LaPierre’s statements come just days after West Virginia senator Jay Rockefeller proposed a bill to study “the impact of violent content, including video games and video programming, on children.”
Bull**** upon bull****.

I LOATHE people who seek to blame the crimes of deranged people on games and films, by even mentioning the possiblity of it you're basically vindicating these killers. 'Oh it's alright, it's not their fault let's just blame it on Call of Duty'.

If you murder someone in cold blood then the potential to do so has been there long before you started playing Grand Theft Auto. A game, Film or TV show cannot make someone murderous. They chose to kill innocent people and no one should be blamed but them. Ugh it makes me so mad. These people are just avoiding the real issue by antagonising the media.

Marc 22-12-2012 03:04 PM

The guy was insane, there was probably no stopping him if anybody tried.

Doogle 22-12-2012 03:35 PM

Not this **** again :bored:

Scarlett. 22-12-2012 03:37 PM

Obviously not down to the guns or owt.

Mrluvaluva 22-12-2012 03:38 PM

Nothing to do with the fact of the ease of availability and ownership of guns.

arista 22-12-2012 03:50 PM

"Blames Games and Films"

Not Alone they do not
they say more Schools with Armed Protection
is the answer.

Marcus. 22-12-2012 03:51 PM

they are looking for something to blame

Mrluvaluva 22-12-2012 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 5706025)
"Blames Games and Films"

Not Alone they do not
they say more Schools with Armed Protection
is the answer.

Yeah. Let's protect them from guns with guns. Let's put more guns out there, until one of those guns falls into the wrong hands., and we are left with another tragedy on our hands...

Liberty4eva 22-12-2012 04:05 PM

The NRA did a hit piece on the UK about their policies towards guns.



When it comes down to it, would you rather live in a country where responsible citizens can have guns or would you rather live in a country where only the government and criminals have guns?

Mrluvaluva 22-12-2012 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Liberty4eva (Post 5706039)
The NRA did a hit piece on the UK about their policies towards guns.

When it comes down to it, would you rather live in a country where responsible citizens can have guns or would you rather live in a country where only the government and criminals have guns?

With the problem being, not everyone is a "responsible citizen".

Scarlett. 22-12-2012 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva (Post 5706042)
With the problem being, not everyone is a "responsible citizen".

Exactly, the people who do these massacres always SEEM to be normal people before they go mad with a gun.

Jords 22-12-2012 04:14 PM

I think violent video games/films might make children behave more aggressively but ****s me off when they blame things like this on them.

Scarlett. 22-12-2012 04:15 PM

I also like that outraged parents always blame the developers and publishers, when they're the ones who went to a game shop and bought an 18/M Rated game.

Jesus. 22-12-2012 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Liberty4eva (Post 5706039)
The NRA did a hit piece on the UK about their policies towards guns.



When it comes down to it, would you rather live in a country where responsible citizens can have guns or would you rather live in a country where only the government and criminals have guns?

I'd rather the country remain unarmed, and I'll take my chances. I really can't be arsed to watch the video. The NRA is an organisation set up to protect gun manufacturers, not people.

Liberty4eva 22-12-2012 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ (Post 5706047)
I'd rather the country remain unarmed, and I'll take my chances. I really can't be arsed to watch the video. The NRA is an organisation set up to protect gun manufacturers, not people.

Amount of deaths by cars in the USA in 2011 were 32,367. Number of gun homicides was 11,493. Basically, you're 3 times more likely to be killed by a car than by a gun and yet you'd have us believe there is a gun-violence epidemic.

What you would like is a country where only the government have access to guns. And that's also what the government (both in the US and UK) would like. It has nothing to do with protecting us or keeping us safe and everything to do with them just wanting to be the group that has a monopoly on the guns. When it comes to the government, the name of the game is power and just about everything that they do is done to enhance it.

Scarlett. 22-12-2012 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Liberty4eva (Post 5706066)
Amount of deaths by cars in the USA in 2011 were 32,367. Number of gun homicides was 11,493. Basically, you're 3 times more likely to be killed by a car than by a gun and yet you'd have us believe there is a gun-violence epidemic.

What you would like is a country where only the government have access to guns. And that's also what the government (both in the US and UK) would like. It has nothing to do with protecting us or keeping us safe and everything to do with them just wanting to be the group that has a monopoly on the guns. When it comes to the government, the name of the game is power and just about everything that they do is done to enhance it.

I like your trying to spin 11,493 homicides into a good thing, thats still 11,493 people who were killed with a gun in one year.

Jesus. 22-12-2012 04:42 PM

I ended up watching that crazy video, and it's complete bollocks. I knew exactly what I was in for when an Australian guy compared having his guns taken off him, to being like the Jews in Nazi Germany.

Liberty4eva 22-12-2012 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chewdolph (Post 5706068)
I like your trying to spin 11,493 homicides into a good thing, thats still 11,493 people who were killed with a gun in one year.

Point being, nobody ever talks about car deaths or proposes to do something about car deaths. Would you give more weight and importance to the lives of 11,493 than to 32 thousand?

arista 22-12-2012 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva (Post 5706033)
Yeah. Let's protect them from guns with guns. Let's put more guns out there, until one of those guns falls into the wrong hands., and we are left with another tragedy on our hands...


More schools will be Attacked by a Single Crazy Person
as they know - no guns to take them out


Its Crazy

Scarlett. 22-12-2012 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Liberty4eva (Post 5706077)
Point being, nobody ever talks about car deaths or proposes to do something about car deaths. Would you give more weight and importance to the lives of 11,493 than to 32 thousand?

Because car deaths are usually accidents, gun homicides usually aren't.

Mrluvaluva 22-12-2012 05:19 PM

How automobile deaths can be compared to fatal shootings is beyond me. There are hundreds of thousands of vehicles on the road each day. They are there to serve a purpose, and not designed for killing, as guns are. Guns only have the one purpose. It's not like you could say that the deaths by gun crime were caused as a by product of accidental cross fire, as they were being used as a necessity in every day life. Sorry, but there is no comparison.

Mrluvaluva 22-12-2012 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 5706085)
More schools will be Attacked by a Single Crazy Person
as they know - no guns to take them out


Its Crazy

And people arming themselves with guns do not always necessarily act as a deterrent.

arista 22-12-2012 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva (Post 5706108)
And people arming themselves with guns do not always necessarily act as a deterrent.

With Each School Armed
it will stop the Coward Crazy Gun Monsters
once a few are shot Dead Fast.



Its The Only Way
for America.

Jesus. 22-12-2012 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 5706133)
With Each School Armed
it will stop the Coward Crazy Gun Monsters
once a few are shot Dead Fast.



Its The Only Way
for America.

Columbine had armed security in their school. They were outgunned by the powerful weapons carried by the kids, and forced into retreat.

Liberty4eva 22-12-2012 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chewdolph (Post 5706091)
Because car deaths are usually accidents, gun homicides usually aren't.

majority of car accidents are preventable so I see car deaths as a greater problem than gun deaths.

Anyways, say what you will but if it wasn't for the right of citizens to own guns, the US might well still be a British colony. It serves as the last and ultimate check against authority and government that has overstepped its bounds.

arista 22-12-2012 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ (Post 5706137)
Columbine had armed security in their school. They were outgunned by the powerful weapons carried by the kids, and forced into retreat.



They got lucky.

Mrluvaluva 22-12-2012 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Liberty4eva (Post 5706159)
majority of car accidents are preventable so I see car deaths as a greater problem than gun deaths.

As opposed to deaths caused by guns that are not preventable? Actually, how are car accidents preventable?

Liberty4eva 22-12-2012 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva (Post 5706176)
As opposed to deaths caused by guns that are not preventable? Actually, how are car accidents preventable?

Uhhh, by people not being drunk. :rolleyes:

Mrluvaluva 22-12-2012 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Liberty4eva (Post 5706191)
Uhhh, by people not being drunk. :rolleyes:

So all car accidents are caused by drink drivers? News to me. :rolleyes:

Jesus. 22-12-2012 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Liberty4eva (Post 5706159)
majority of car accidents are preventable so I see car deaths as a greater problem than gun deaths.

Anyways, say what you will but if it wasn't for the right of citizens to own guns, the US might well still be a British colony. It serves as the last and ultimate check against authority and government that has overstepped its bounds.

Weapons have advanced to such a stage that if every citizen in America had guns, the government would still be able to kick your asses. Obama is droning the **** out of other countries. I doubt he's scared of a guy called buck, in Nebraska, clinging to his guns and religion.

Jesus. 22-12-2012 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 5706162)
They got lucky.

They didn't. they outgunned the security with superior fire power. No luck was involved.

arista 22-12-2012 06:11 PM

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Redway 22-12-2012 09:54 PM

I see people like to blame trivial things rather than doing the obvious, i.e. banning guns. It's ridiculous.

Nedusa 23-12-2012 07:12 AM

I do not disagree win any of the points raised in his address , however the conclusions he draws ie that more guns are needed to make people safer is complete nonsense.

The proliferation of guns in the US has hit epidemic proportions with nearly a handgun for every member of society. Over 300 million at the last count, a crazy statistic together with the number of gun related deaths every year nearly 12,000 which is more than double all the countries of Europe combined.

It's time to reign the NRA , bring in legislation to amend or repeal the 2nd Amendment and start to get the guns off the streets. It will not be easy and may take a generation to achieve but it must now happen as tragedies like Newtown will just keep happening or perhaps worse...!!!

Kizzy 23-12-2012 11:36 AM

Safer entry systems and CCTV would delay any intrusion until an armed response arrived.
Why place anyone in danger?
If Americans really cannot live without weapons then I would say limit civilian held licences to be reduced to 1 handgun only. This would restrict access and hopefully reduce that terrible statistic of 11'000 deaths.

Livia 23-12-2012 01:51 PM

The "violent films and video games" argument is a weak one. The vast majority of people can differentiate between fiction and real life. Those that can't are already unhinged and would most probably be violent without watching films and playing video games.

Liberty4eva 23-12-2012 02:22 PM

If you're in favor of gun control, you oughta look up to people like Hitler and Stalin cause they definitely believed in gun control.

Bottom line, the government ultimately wants a population that is disarmed. And it has nothing to do with keeping people safe (as is often the garb) and everything to do with enhancing their power. An armed population is more independent and less inclined to look to government for subsistence and are less likely to offer up any kind of resistance to their authority. ALL OF THE DICTATORS in the past understood this and you think our governments don't understand this? Or perhaps you think our situation is different to other countries and our leaders want our guns because they genuinely care about our safety? If you believe that, I have some beach property to sell you in Montana.

arista 23-12-2012 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas (Post 5707061)
Safer entry systems and CCTV would delay any intrusion until an armed response arrived.
Why place anyone in danger?
If Americans really cannot live without weapons then I would say limit civilian held licences to be reduced to 1 handgun only. This would restrict access and hopefully reduce that terrible statistic of 11'000 deaths.


No America would never do that.
Its built on the Rights to be Armed

Jesus. 23-12-2012 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Liberty4eva (Post 5707193)
If you're in favor of gun control, you oughta look up to people like Hitler and Stalin cause they definitely believed in gun control.

Bottom line, the government ultimately wants a population that is disarmed. And it has nothing to do with keeping people safe (as is often the garb) and everything to do with enhancing their power. An armed population is more independent and less inclined to look to government for subsistence and are less likely to offer up any kind of resistance to their authority. ALL OF THE DICTATORS in the past understood this and you think our governments don't understand this? Or perhaps you think our situation is different to other countries and our leaders want our guns because they genuinely care about our safety? If you believe that, I have some beach property to sell you in Montana.

Please explain how the US is in any danger of dictatorship. Please also explain what the function of the house and the senate is.

Obama could kick your asses if every one had 10 guns each, so being armed may have worked in the 1800's, but it might be time to grow up for you. Both personally and as a nation.

Liberty4eva 23-12-2012 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ (Post 5707248)
Please explain how the US is in any danger of dictatorship. Please also explain what the function of the house and the senate is.

Obama could kick your asses if every one had 10 guns each, so being armed may have worked in the 1800's, but it might be time to grow up for you. Both personally and as a nation.

The system we have today is not a dictatorship in the traditional sense but it is what Ralph Nader calls the two-party dictatorship. Obama couldn't kick our asses. He gets his power from the people. Without the people's tax dollars he couldn't purchase military equipment or pay the soldiers. He's not going to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. Why would the government kick our asses and lose all their power when it can exploit our asses?


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