For Jemima: a dictionary definition of 'death'
 

death [deth] (noun) 1. the act of dying; the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an organism.

Dan is generally pompous and pious and Jemima isn't a racist BUT tonight he was right and she was really annoying!

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People can die for a moment and be resuscitated

That is not death.

They cannot, clearly!
Death is not a short term or temporary thing, unless you're a Zombie!!!:hugesmile:

Well Jemima clearly thought otherwise, and I've certainly heard that phrase being used before..

Sounds like tne daughter could have had a febrile fit.
Sounds like the mother had a hissy fit.

She knows that she just wanted a completely unrelated conversation to suddenly be about her.

"****, I'm up for eviction, blah blah blah blah MY DAUGHTER DIED!!!!"

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"Urgh, and then she wasn't."

:nono:

Jemima's clearly a twat who thinks all her life experiences are significantly more important and traumatic than other people's. Eff her. Eff everybody.

When I breathe in underwater, am I dead?

Couldn't agree more.

You can die and be revived.

Death is permanent. If you're revived, it's no longer permanent.

We should probably remember that Jemima originally said her daughter had died in retaliation to Jackie talking about Charlie's grandmother dying in front of her. Unless I'm mistaken, the grandmother has not done a Lazarus, so it was hardly a like-for-like comparison.

Also note that Jemima only mentioned that her daughter's "death" was a temporary thing after a few minutes of one-upmanship! She was quite happy to give the impression that it was the usual version, ie, permanent, presumably for dramatic effect.

Let's be honest, most people when told that someone had died would not expect to have them round for dinner the next week. Unless you're into some very weird stuff...

You can be named 'clinically dead' and then revived so Jemima wasn't enitrely wrong, but the way she talked about it gave the impression that her daughter had completely passed away

You CANNOT!!!!!!
Death is permanent. You cannot die for a short period of time!

Yes you can.

I found this, if it helps:

"Death was historically believed to be an event that coincided with the onset of clinical death. It is now understood that death is a series of physical events, not a single one, and determination of permanent death is dependent on other factors beyond simple cessation of breathing and heartbeat".

Since Jemima's daughter was described as having stopped breathing, one could argue that permanent death had not taken place, and that it was more the case that she'd stopped breathing, but other physical events had not occurred in order to determine death.

not really. it's called stopped breathing. if they never regain consciousness then they've died

To jemima
 

Jemima you are not in junior school don't dramatize and make competitions out of yeah well my daughter died beat that! How pathetically childish!.

This.

The difference between clinical death and biological death is small: just a few crucial minutes, in fact. Clinical death is the point at which a person's heart stops beating. At that time, breathing and blood circulation stop. Biological death occurs some four to six minutes later, when the brain cells die from lack of oxygen.

When brain death occurs, all neurological functions irreversibly cease. The brain simply cannot survive for very long without oxygen. When oxygen is withheld beyond that six-minute threshold, brain death is the result. The reason the brain-death clock starts ticking down once the heart stops is because cardiac activity is the whole ballgame for our bodies, and brains. When the heart stops, oxygen cannot be transported to the brain and the brain dies from lack of it. The legal time of death is noted at the moment in which a doctor determines that a patient's entire brain has ceased to function.

It's still possible to resuscitate a person who has undergone clinical death and keep them alive by artificial means of life support, such as a respirator. However, when biological death has been established and the brain has been too long deprived of oxygen, resuscitation is impossible. Often, at that point, another clock starts ticking away in the background: the clock for organ donation. :wavey:

Yes, you really can.

haha I knew someone would make a thread out of this and jemama was really annoying me tonight

I totally agree MilkMaid. Well said :hugesmile:

Jemima did herself no favours with that rant to Jackie tonight...

I totally agree ... how to stretch the reality according to Jemima ... the conversation went round in a circle again and SUPRISE ... it was all about Jemima ....

I think youll find Jem claimed her daughter died not deathed :idc:

sorry, you lost me there! :hugesmile:

you win.

Spot on, the term Jemima should have used was her child arrested.yes the heart may have been stopped for a minute or more but you are not even classed as dead until over 3 minutes or more have passed.
It was I think anyway, an attempt to turn a traumatic event around to be all about her.

it was. if it was that traumatic you don't bring it up in an argument to be used a trump card, sorry

Somebody's death is their final moment of living. If Jemima said "My daughter's death..." this would imply that she died and stayed dead as the definition suggests.

Because Jem said "My daughter died..." it implied she stopped living without knowing the time frame.

Her daughter ceased living for just over a minute.

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Wow, what a convincing case you make. I have no option but to believe you.

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This.

Jemima was a complete twat tonight and only brought that incident into the conversation to get one up on Jacke saying Charlie had witnessed her grandmothers death and basically make herself the centre of attention again.

She's the type of person that would lie about anything to make her sound better than you, if you said you ate 2 sausages for breakfast you could pretty much guarantee Jemima would say she had ate 3.

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What gobbledygook is that?

She exclaimed her daughter died and allowed everyone to presume that was the case, her daughter dropped dead in front of her and only later mentioned she revived her.

Even poor Gina had to clarify "So she's not dead?" after she'd been crying.

Every conversation she has, it's a constant oneupmanship with her. So self centred. Even when it came to someone mentioning they had a friend who surfs, she said "my friend surfs all the time... He's blind". She's full of bull****.

I don't know why people are making a joke out of it...it would be a horrible thing to go through. If Jemima wants to say her daughter died then she can say her daughter died...I think it's really insensitive of Dan to pull her up on that. Jemima is a nice woman, every argument she's had, it's been started by someone else. Good for her for sticking her for herself.