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Roy Mars III 20-08-2013 11:24 AM

A flaw in the game?
 
Besides Aaron (and that was mostly due to facebook voting tbh) a controversial and entertaining housemate has never really won Big Brother, at least not in recent years. This is a major problem because if people want to win the 100k they have to play a similar game to what Sam, Luke A, etc have played and remain uncontroversial *cough* boring *cough*. If you were an upcoming housemate with any general knowledge of past shows, you would know this as well. So it is actually smarter for them to play low radar and not cause any conflict/entertainment. This leads to a more boring show, but you can hardly blame the housemates for it since they most likely went on the show to win the money.

Is there any way to fix this problem, or are you happy that a 'good' person usually wins at the end, no matter if they appeared on HL shows an average of 2 mins per episode.

And what does it mean for future seasons when this type of gameplay is rewarded every single year?

Kyle 20-08-2013 11:27 AM

Just shows that even in a game show the public don't tolerate sly and sneaky people. It would be like wanting the bad guys to win in the next batman film. :dance:

Niamh. 20-08-2013 11:28 AM

The solution is to bring back the FB voting, I don't get why they stopped it tbh. I don't mind nice people winning if they're entertaining (Brian Dowling BB2) but that's a rarity it seems. Nice usually equals not very interesting to watch

Ramsay 20-08-2013 11:28 AM

Bring back them facebook votes and vote to save

reece(: 20-08-2013 11:29 AM

Yes, bring back FB voting or VTS. If not, let BB flop hard.

Roy Mars III 20-08-2013 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simple Minds (Post 6310152)
Just shows that even in a game show the public don't tolerate sly and sneaky people. It would be like wanting the bad guys to win in the next batman film. :dance:

but why does the public shot itself in the foot time and time again by voting for the bores and then will go onto complain a show is boring?

Niamh. 20-08-2013 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Karl (Post 6310161)
Bring back them facebook votes and vote to save

Yeah, can't believe they changed it to 3+ with the most votes but then switched back to VTE http://www.curioustopic.com/images/smilies/facepalm.gif

Kyle 20-08-2013 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Roy Mars III (Post 6310166)
but why does the public shot itself in the foot time and time again by voting for the bores and then will go onto complain a show is boring?

Nobody's complained you can't make things like that up, plenty of nice guys have won before and I enjoyed this big brother.

Don't worry yourself, big brother will always put nasty people in the house that won't ever change.

Roy Mars III 20-08-2013 11:31 AM

I think public voting should be thrown out all together, and a select few Big Brother knowledgeable people should be put on a council that goes on to pick a evictee/winner based of a complex formula of entrainment value

Ramsay 20-08-2013 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 6310167)
Yeah, can't believe they changed it to 3+ with the most votes but then switched back to VTE http://www.curioustopic.com/images/smilies/facepalm.gif

They are like half way going in the right direction with at least 3+ people up every week..just need that little extra push to make it VTS...they probably make more money on VTE though

smeagol 20-08-2013 11:32 AM

its a massive flaw, if sam wasn't deaf he wouldn't of won and wouldn't of even made the final. being a bore wont mean your win you need to have a medical problem of some kind
as well.

sad it is. ruins the whole show. when you know the winner from the vt on launch nights

i hate bores the world is full of them though. i got to concerts and im the only one dancing lol 100k people all bores. mind you thats before the band starts lol

karezza 20-08-2013 11:33 AM

They need to be more careful with the housemate selection process. No more Sam types.

Withano 20-08-2013 11:33 AM

I don't think that its a problem, the people you described made it to the last day.

I'd always take the nice guy over the nasty guy to win 100k, regardless of if they're my favourite or not.

If the prize of BB14 was the title of Big Brother winner alone, Sam wouldn't have won. People just didn't want to reward nastiness with money.

Ramsay 20-08-2013 11:33 AM

i'd LOVE to see them do the US format for even just a year

Roy Mars III 20-08-2013 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simple Minds (Post 6310173)
Nobody's complained you can't make things like that up, plenty of nice guys have won before and I enjoyed this big brother.

Don't worry yourself, big brother will always put nasty people in the house that won't ever change.

people complain that it is boring all the time, after the controversial housemates go. It has happened for the past 10 plus years

Tregard 20-08-2013 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simple Minds (Post 6310152)
Just shows that even in a game show the public don't tolerate sly and sneaky people. It would be like wanting the bad guys to win in the next batman film. :dance:

There are no good guys or bad guys though, it's just a house of people who like or don't like each other. If you do relatively little, you can't be too disliked by the public or other housemates to get evicted. Being interesting is a deterrent to winning, not an aid, as it should be.

Kyle 20-08-2013 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III (Post 6310193)
people complain that it is boring all the time, after the controversial housemates go. It has happened for the past 10 plus years

We'll see....

Roy Mars III 20-08-2013 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karezza (Post 6310190)
They need to be more careful with the housemate selection process. No more Sam types.

Sam had an okay story and was actually funny, they had no way of knowing that he would sleep 20 hours a day

Roy Mars III 20-08-2013 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Karl (Post 6310192)
i'd LOVE to see them do the US format for even just a year

it would be great

Josy 20-08-2013 11:36 AM

Not everyone cares that much about controversial housemates, I really wish people would stop acting if that's the be all and end all off Big Brother.

It's all good watching them throughout the show but I have not one problem when it comes to nicer housemates taking the win, this series was still great regardless of the winner.

Kyle 20-08-2013 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tregard (Post 6310195)
There are no good guys or bad guys though, it's just a house of people who like or don't like each other. If you do relatively little, you can't be too disliked by the public or other housemates to get evicted. Being interesting is a deterrent to winning, not an aid, as it should be.

No it's not, do you think the public pick the most boring housemate repeatedly just to piss you off?

Very good though i might add that to the top 5 best excuses list.

Niamh. 20-08-2013 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 6310191)
I don't think that its a problem, the people you described made it to the last day.

I'd always take the nice guy over the nasty guy to win 100k, regardless of if they're my favourite or not.

If the prize of BB14 was the title of Big Brother winner alone, Sam wouldn't have won. People just didn't want to reward nastiness with money.

That's an interesting post, I wonder if there were two different votes in the final 5, one for winner of the Prize fund and one for Winner of the title, would we see two different people win?

karezza 20-08-2013 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III (Post 6310200)
Sam had an okay story and was actually funny, they had no way of knowing that he would sleep 20 hours a day

Welsh + disability spells trouble to me. I wouldn't have selected him.

Roy Mars III 20-08-2013 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by karezza (Post 6310208)
Welsh + disability spells trouble to me. I wouldn't have selected him.

well, yes, I would outlaw all Welsh people from applying in the future

Kate! 20-08-2013 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karezza (Post 6310208)
Welsh + disability spells trouble to me. I wouldn't have selected him.

do you have to be so offensive?

Jesus. 20-08-2013 11:39 AM

What you have to realise about the British (and Niamh), is that we have, built within our DNA, a history of public floggings and executions.

We get blood lust and lose our minds. We'd rather throw cabbages and tomatoes at a "baddie" for one night, than provide ourselves with 3 months of entertainment.

We let ourselves down continually when it comes to this attitude, and ruin the show year after year.

Kyle 20-08-2013 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesus. (Post 6310221)
What you have to realise about the British (and Niamh), is that we have, built within our DNA, a history of public floggings and executions.

We get blood lust and lose our minds. We'd rather throw cabbages and tomatoes at a "baddie" for one night, than provide ourselves with 3 months of entertainment.

We let ourselves down continually when it comes to this attitude, and ruin the show year after year.

Yes how dare we like nice people. How very nice of us.

Ramsay 20-08-2013 11:41 AM

but yes the quiet, background character gameplan seems to be a hit
i know i'd do it if i went in and i'm sure many future housemates will think the same which is a shame

Roy Mars III 20-08-2013 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesus. (Post 6310221)
What you have to realise about the British (and Niamh), is that we have, built within our DNA, a history of public floggings and executions.

We get blood lust and lose our minds. We'd rather throw cabbages and tomatoes at a "baddie" for one night, than provide ourselves with 3 months of entertainment.

We let ourselves down continually when it comes to this attitude, and ruin the show year after year.

the public are basically sabotaging their own show, no wonder you guys lost all your world power and are now irrelevant

Jesus. 20-08-2013 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III (Post 6310237)
the public are basically sabotaging their own show, no wonder you guys lost all your world power and are now irrelevant

I agree. We should never have given the brown people their countries back.

Tregard 20-08-2013 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simple Minds (Post 6310205)
No it's not, do you think the public pick the most boring housemate repeatedly just to piss you off?

Very good though i might add that to the top 5 best excuses list.

What? This isn't an excuse, it happens all the time. Housemates that do relatively little won't get nominated, and if they do, they won't be evicted. Then when they get through to the final, they normally win because every decent HM has been evicted (See BB10 and BB11). For me personally, Sam's win was probably down to a mix of the vote between Gina and Dexter being split and the fact a lot of watchers found him attractive.

It's much harder to be disliked for doing nothing than to be disliked for doing something, you cannot deny that, surely?

Kyle 20-08-2013 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III (Post 6310237)
the public are basically sabotaging their own show, no wonder you guys lost all your world power and are now irrelevant

Another ignorant yank trying to make Brits feel pathetic, concentrate on your own country's troubles before trying to point out ours.

Roy Mars III 20-08-2013 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karl (Post 6310232)
but yes the quiet, background character gameplan seems to be a hit
i know i'd do it if i went in and i'm sure many future housemates will think the same which is a shame

to be fair, the same happens in BBUS and Survirvor were a bitter jury votes for the boring useless person because the other one beat them all through their superior knowledge and strategy (Russel Hantz in Survivor, or Dan in BB)

Roy Mars III 20-08-2013 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simple Minds (Post 6310247)
Another ignorant yank trying to make Brits feel pathetic, concentrate on your own country's troubles before trying to point out ours.

the United States has no problems

billy123 20-08-2013 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karl (Post 6310192)
i'd LOVE to see them do the US format for even just a year

God no BBUS is pathetic. If people want to watch that trash they can.

Ramsay 20-08-2013 11:46 AM

yeah, ian beating dan was ridiculous

Kyle 20-08-2013 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III (Post 6310251)
the United States has no problems

I rest my case.

Roy Mars III 20-08-2013 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesus. (Post 6310241)
I agree. We should never have given the brown people their countries back.

i wouldn't have

Joelle. 20-08-2013 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 6310191)
I don't think that its a problem, the people you described made it to the last day.

I'd always take the nice guy over the nasty guy to win 100k, regardless of if they're my favourite or not.

If the prize of BB14 was the title of Big Brother winner alone, Sam wouldn't have won. People just didn't want to reward nastiness with money.

Oh he would have won anyway. I very much doubt anyone is thinking about who they would most like to win the money when they vote. The voting public just love a bore, preferably one with a disability or who has had gender reassignment.

Jesus. 20-08-2013 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simple Minds (Post 6310228)
Yes how dare we like nice people. How very nice of us.

Eviction nights on BB are about "evicting the baddie". They are never about keeping the entertainment in (at least with VTE).

Like any housemates you want, it's no concern of mine. I haven't really had a favourite this year - I liked Charlie at the start for a few weeks, then lost a bit of interest, and I've been increasingly favoring Dexter over the last couple of weeks, but I haven't slagged off any other HM's off, and have been fairly ambivalent to all of them.

I'm just trying to provide Roy with a reason that we like our pound of flesh on eviction night.


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