Birmingham college bans 2 Female Muslim students from covering faces
 

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Imaani Ali, 17, believes the ban on veils is a breach of her freedom



Feck Me this is a College Rule
they are taking the Piss.


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They were both on Ch4 News
last night.

Is this a sex thing?

If a man wanted to attend the college and wear a balaclava all day I'm sure there would be objections on security grounds, so why not with a face-veil? I have no problem with people wearing religious garb... but the full-face covering is unacceptable to me.

This woman believes that a ban on her face-veil is against her freedom. I don't agree. What's against a woman's freedom is to live in a Muslim country where girls are refused education, or even sometimes medical attention. Making an issue of the face-veil is just deflecting the attention from more serious issues.

I agree with the College,in this current age with all sorts of dangers about, I feel we all should have the right to see who we are sharing the streets with,stores and indeed all other public places too.

I don't like to see women walking around with a small tent wrapped around them covered from head to foot.....why would anybody want to do that ??

And to make it only apply to women and to use religion as the supposed reason is outrageous in the extreme.

And for these women to think they actually have made a conscious decision to dress like this is utter self delusion. these women are FORCED by their husbands using religion as the excuse to dress like this, some of them have conditioned themselves to believe in this claptrap as a way of sidestepping the real issue of being bullied by their menfolk into doing this.

No woman......No woman would willingly, wantonly dress like this in public it is utterly ridiculous.

I wish this type of dress was banned in Public places in the UK (like France) it makes my blood boil when I see women abused like this....!!!!!

I agree Joey,no need in this country to go about with faces covered,it's not our culture,we would have to adhere to their rules in their country ,so why not adhere to ours.

I guess we will be following Europe?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13038095

This really winds me up - we are in the UK it's not our religion. If they want to dress like that go back to your own country if you want to live here follow our laws - simple.

They are English
but taking the piss.



The College
has the last say , not them

No
this is just about the College Rules


europe can feck off

You can be a Muslim and British, we are a secular country and thankfully our laws do allow for other religions to express themselves as they feel appropriate and it is not for us to dictate what they can and cannot wear

If Birmingham college want to implement this rule I suppose that is their right but it will thankfully not become law in this country

It's a security issue, few places allow people to cover their faces so I think it's foolish and attention grabbing for these students to kick up a fuss when it's a rule that everyone has to follow.

I agree, they probably have the same policy for hoods, so just follow the rules. If we start going down the path of changing the rules to suit individuals where would it all end, stuff like this makes a complete mockery of human rights. Ship them to Syria if they want to claim breach of human rights. Honestly.

Yes they do
hoods are banned.


There is something odd about those girls

Agree 100% with both of these.

This might be 'their' country?

I think they are ridiculous to kick up a fuss about this, but I don't really think theres any need for the cries of 'but this is england' or whatever.

Sorry but last time I looked this was England maybe I got that wrong. Maybe this is their country and if so they should respect the laws as much as I do - just my opinion.

look
So far they were on Ch4 news Exclusive
and debated on BBC1 this monring
in all papers.


This is a False set up for them to get Media
and even Fox News America
And India News

absolutely right if the rules were in place before they accepted their places at College then they have to abide by them.

Yes and they were given a sheet with the rules,
so this is a Stunt.
(ref ch4news )

They seem to want to get on every News Station now
but the story is dead
as they are taking the piss


I smell a Rat

As I see it if people aren't allowed to wear hoodies then I don't believe that people should be allowed to wear a face-veil.

Both hoodies and face-veil's are dangerous to have in College as well because what if someone did commit a crime at the College and because of the hoodie or face-veil they couldn't tell what the person looked like? I totally agree with the College on this decision and I hope others follow.

i don't see why this is breaching her right to freedom - she is free to find another college ! Whats the problem

She has no freedom.........she trapped behind yards of black cloth, unable to see properly or hear properly. she cannot see the sky or hear the birds, she probably cannot smell the flowers properly through that garb.

She cannot take in the simple pleasures of walking out in the fresh air on a summers day.

She is imprisoned in jail of her own making, so utterly brainwashed that she actually believes she wants to walk around like this.

So sad........I think the Govt need to step in and help outlaw this as it is clearly an infringement on these women's basic human rights......the right to freedom to enjoy nature in all its forms...

This inhumane degrading practice has to be stopped...NOW !!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-24072854

College appears to have backed down due to media stories :rolleyes:

Fecks sake.

People should be allowed to be who they are and believe what they want. But i think when theres security risks like in this case, the college is right and she should be told not to wear it.

Some areas of some Muslim dominated countries perhaps. Though Iran has more female graduates than male

As many have highlighted in this thread already, the college is well within its rights to do this. It's a security issue, and they should be complicit with the laws as is everyone else. Personally I don't understand how full-face veil is a practical or even comfortable piece of clothing to wear but whatever..

its sad that these women are forced to believe that wearing these things are good for them. I always have the greatest sympathy for them when I see them in town on a boiling hot day.

tbh they should have just gone to another college

I agree. I don't want to spout the "go back to your on country" nonsense but I mean lets be honest here, if any of us went to a strict Muslim country we would be expected to live by their rules and punished for breaking them, I don't see why it doesn't work the other way round as well.

Me too, we were in Venice during the summer and I remember seeing a couple and the woman was covered head to toe in one of those veils in the hot sun and her husband was in a shorts and t-shirt, it was terrible to see.

The only reason I take issue with them saying it restricts their religious freedom is that it's apparently not even the case. Having the face covered is not a religious requirement of Islam... it's completely cultural, and has nothing to do with religion. In short; it's a choice. As is going to college. Therefore she has a decision to make... lose the veil and continue going to college, or keep wearing the veil and stop going to college. No one is forcing her by law to remove the veil - THAT would be a restriction on her freedom - she has a choice. That is freedom.

I mean ... I find my work shoes horribly uncomfortable, I much prefer to wear trainers, in fact I keep my shoes at work and travel to/from work in trainers and then change into my shoes there. That's how much I hate wearing them. Could I go to the papers and claim that my employers are restricting my freedom of footwear choice??

It's not a strict requirement exactly, but it does have a long history in Islam as being an additional act of virtue. I think I'm right in saying that Mohammed's wives all wore the veil, so a lot of women do wear it to feel they are closer to God

I never understand this argument. These countries are known to be backwards so why would you want to be like them? And I'm pretty sure this girl is British, what do those countries even have to do with her? The only justified argument for banning it is security reasons, which I agree with.

This baclava crap confuses me too. You can't compare them because 99% of the time baclavas are worn for wrong reasons and 99% of the time a face-veil is not

Edit: balaclava* I can't believe I called it a baclava omg

And covering yourself from head to toe is also backwards and also a very sexist tradition imo

wtf why can't people accept not everyone feels wearing less clothes is liberating, plus as stated before it's their goddamn choice

also you ignored the rest of my post thanks for that

No worries :hugesmile:

omg it ****in pisses me off so much how ignorant people are. it may be funny for you but it's seriously seriously aggravating that people are so judgemental going by what they see in the news. Islam has disadvantages for men too you know, and in many aspects empowers women

-In Islam, women are not required to go to mosque - they have the freedom to pray at home, unlike men who are obliged to go 5 times a day and believe me, prayers at mosques are far longer and it's tough. It's especially difficult for men in Ramadan because they're required to pray late at night after an entire day of fasting for two hours in hot cramped conditions, whereas women's prayer is much shorter and from the comfort of their home & with more flexible times.
-Pregnant women do not need to fast during Ramadan
-Islam hails mothers. they're given more value than fathers and Heaven is said to lie at their feet
-The burqa is not compulsory. Women who therefore wear it are clearly choosing to cover themselves. Banning it an infringement of women's rights and goes completely against what it claims to do
-Judging a woman who does not wear a headscarf is regarded a huge sin
-Islam teaches individuals to lower their gaze and not view people as sexual objects which empowers both sexes
-pretty sure the majority of Muslim woman will tell you they don't feel oppressed so how the **** can you speak for them

I agree. I wasn't expecting to read a thread of people agreeing with the college when I read the title, it saddens me that the majority of the people here so far have done so.

The reasons don't even come into it though? The physical problem of the face veil is that it obscures identity and creates security issues. A balaclava (which creates just the same problem) would not be tolerated, so why make an exception for an item of clothing which is - as you've pointed out - optional for these women?