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Ammi 21-12-2013 03:26 PM

Girl dies of peanut allergy after pharmacy refuses emergency medication...
 
THIS is tragic teenager Emma Sloan who died on a city street just minutes after suffering a fatal allergic reaction. Emma (14) was out for a pre-Christmas meal with her family when she accidentally ate a nut-based sauce and suffered a severe allergic reaction

But when her mother rushed to a nearby pharmacy to get help, she was refused a life-saving adrenaline injection because she didn't have a prescription.

The distraught mother was told to bring her daughter to hospital but the two had only got a few yards away when the teenager collapsed.

Emma's mother, Caroline, told the Irish Independent: "I'm so angry I was not given the epipen to inject her. I was told to bring Emma to an A&E department.

"My daughter died on a street corner with a crowd around her. How could a peanut kill my child?"

The nightmarish series of events began near O'Connell Street in Dublin on Wednesday night. The family were eating at Jimmy Chung's chinese s buffet on Eden Quay when Emma mistakenly chose a sauce with nuts in it.

"Emma has always been very careful and would check the ingredients of every chocolate bar and other foods to be sure they didn't contain nuts," her mother Caroline said.

"She had a satay sauce. She thought it was curry sauce because it looked like curry sauce and smelt like curry," Ms Sloan (40) said.

"I'm not blaming the restaurant because there was a sign saying 'nuts contained' but it wasn't noticed. After a while, Emma began to say 'I can't breathe, I can't breathe'."

The teenager didn't have her 'epipen' injection device, often carried by people with allergies, with her.

Her mother told how she went around the corner to Hamilton Long chemist on O'Connell Street and desperately asked for an epipen injection to bring to her daughter outside.

"He told me I couldn't get it without a prescription. He told me to bring her to A&E.

"I left and I knew we'd have to run all the way to Temple Street hospital. But she only got as far as the corner with Abbey Street when she collapsed. She died on the footpath," said the grieving mother, fighting back tears.

"A doctor was passing and had tried to help and put her into the recovery position. Ambulance and fire brigade men worked on her. But she was gone."

Speaking to the Irish Independent, Ms Sloan appealed "to parents of children with nut allergies to make sure their child always carry an epipen with them. She said: "I took down the Christmas tree this morning. I'll never celebrate Christmas again."

Ms Sloan thanked the doctors and fire brigade who tried to help her daughter.

Children's Minister Frances Fitzgerald has now requested that an investigation be launched into the girl's death. A spokeswoman said: "She is horrified and upset for the family. Her thoughts are with the family and she has spoken to Minister Reilly and asked him to examine the facts of the case and precisely how this happened."

A senior member of staff at the Hamilton Long pharmacy told the Irish Independent that they had been advised by gardai to make no public comment whatsoever about the incident.

A member of the pharmacy profession in Dublin later told this newspaper that regulations prohibit the dispensing of epipen injections without a prescription.

It is classed as an 'S1B' drug containing adrenaline and has the potential to do harm. Pharmacists are not allowed to give the injection.

A security guard who witnessed the tragedy unfold on O'Connell Street said he was "very stressed" by it.

Mujahid Najeebhun (29), a security man at Clarkes shoes, said: "I saw the girl lying on the ground. She was in the recovery position and there was something coming out of her mouth. Then people noticed she wasn't breathing. A woman was shouting, 'My daughter is dying.'

"The people saw the fire brigade at the traffic lights and they were shouting at them to hurry up. They came and began giving her CPR. I'm so sad that the girl died."

A member of management at Jimmy Chung's said the satay sauce had a sign over it which read: "Satay Sauce. Nuts Contained."

The restaurant owner Tony Shek said later: "We heard nothing about it. The staff are often asked by family members if foods contain nuts. But nothing was mentioned to any staff yesterday."


http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-29854519.html

Ninastar 21-12-2013 03:36 PM

Epipens can be very dangerous because the dosages can be lethal if messed up. If the pharmacist had no idea what her prescription was, what could he do?

Nemo123 21-12-2013 03:40 PM

"A member of the pharmacy profession in Dublin later told this newspaper that regulations prohibit the dispensing of epipen injections without a prescription.

It is classed as an 'S1B' drug containing adrenaline and has the potential to do harm. Pharmacists are not allowed to give the injection."

I'm Irish, and I know this country has gone mad. Adrenaline has the fooking potential to do harm!! So has aspirin! So has alcohol, and cigarettes.
Fooking hell! This drug had the potential to save a life. And it was denied because of the remote possibility of doing fooking harm.

I'm furious about this.

Z 21-12-2013 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarysBoyChild (Post 6559298)
Epipens can be very dangerous because the dosages can be lethal if messed up. If the pharmacist had no idea what her prescription was, what could he do?

I didn't know that, I was about to respond to the thread expressing shock that the pharmacy refused to help but that would make a lot of sense... what a tragedy though. Still, you should always be careful of what you eat if you have an allergy, seems a bit stupid to me, especially as there was a sign...

Nemo123 21-12-2013 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarysBoyChild (Post 6559298)
Epipens can be very dangerous because the dosages can be lethal if messed up. If the pharmacist had no idea what her prescription was, what could he do?

I bow to your knowledge. But, pharmacists are suppose to be equally as qualified as Doctors in the prescription of drugs, "Her mother told how she went around the corner to Hamilton Long chemist on O'Connell Street and desperately asked for an epipen injection to bring to her daughter outside."
The pharmacist should have seen her need for the drug, because he was qualified to do so.

He failed to do it because he was terrified of litigation in this mad litigious world.

lime 21-12-2013 03:48 PM

Heartbreaking story.I understand the difficult position the pharmacist was in but if I saw someone dying in front of me I think i would have left the epipen on the counter and told the mother "here is the epipen your daughter needs...legally I can not give it to you without prescription" and would have turned my back .The pharmacist could easily made a call to the chemist she usually gets her prescription filled or her GP to find out what dosage she needed or I am sure her mother would have known the dosage.

smudgie 21-12-2013 03:52 PM

To be honest, I am shocked that nobody in the family knew that satay sauce is peanut based.
If your child has an allergy, you really should look into it in depth.
Not carrying her pen was a mistake as well.
Terrible to lose a child and my heart goes out to them.

Nemo123 21-12-2013 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lime (Post 6559336)
Heartbreaking story.I understand the difficult position the pharmacist was in but if I saw someone dying in front of me I think i would have left the epipen on the counter and told the mother "here is the epipen your daughter needs...legally I can not give it to you without prescription" and would have turned my back .The pharmacist could easily made a call to the chemist she usually gets her prescription filled or her GP to find out what dosage she needed or I am sure her mother would have known the dosage.

Yes he could have. Given it to her mother. The pharmacists have been terrified HERE, Ireland, by the regulatory authority. I know, my brother in law, a pharmacist, has his every move watched, by the Irish Medical Organisation, IMO. They're terrified of giving drugs which require prescriptions to people without them. It's all very controlled. Pharmacy in Ireland is very controlled, and expensive, btw.

Ammi 21-12-2013 03:56 PM

..I know that you have to have epipen training to be able to administer it but her mum would have known the dosage she needed, I would have thought...so she would have been able to tell the pharmacist and it was an emergency situation...?..

Z 21-12-2013 03:56 PM

It's not really fair to blame the pharmacist - the mother burst in, in a panic, asking for an epipen - if they're not allowed to dish things out without a prescription then he/she was just doing their job. I'm a bit shocked they didn't have the girl's epipen with them, that's pretty complacent... :/

Nemo123 21-12-2013 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The baby Zeesus (Post 6559369)
It's not really fair to blame the pharmacist - the mother burst in, in a panic, asking for an epipen - if they're not allowed to dish things out without a prescription then he/she was just doing their job. I'm a bit shocked they didn't have the girl's epipen with them, that's pretty complacent... :/

No, don't agree. Pharmacists here in Ireland are paid as much as Doctors. They have equal responsibility.

arista 21-12-2013 04:02 PM

"My daughter died on a street corner with a crowd around her. How could a peanut kill my child?"


Tragic
but this does happen around the world

Z 21-12-2013 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemo123 (Post 6559373)
No, don't agree. Pharmacists here in Ireland are paid as much as Doctors. They have equal responsibility.

I don't really think a person's salary dictates how much they can break the rules of their job description... from an emotional point of view, I can't believe a pharmacist wouldn't hand over an epipen to help a dying person; but as it's an exact science how much medication is needed in any given epipen for any individual, the pharmacist wouldn't necessarily have had the dosage needed just waiting by the counter in some kind of "here's one I made earlier" situation. Any time I go to the pharmacy for some medication, I have to wait half an hour to get my medication - I don't know why that is but I don't think it's because they like to make people wait. Maybe the pharmacist didn't have what they needed. Maybe the mother wasn't making sense. Maybe the girl died before the pharmacist could have realistically provided anything for her. I don't know.

lime 21-12-2013 04:05 PM

I know a mother who has two children who have the same allergy here in Ireland.Whilst out shopping late friday evening two weeks ago and had her handbag which contained the epipens stolen.

As her GP was not going to reopen untill the monday morning she faced the weekend with out her childrens epipens.She went into a chemist ,told the pharmacist the situation he inturn phoned her regular pharmacist who emailed through her kids prescription history.He gave her the epipen and asked her to bring in the prescription from her GP on the monday,which she did.

Nemo123 21-12-2013 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lime (Post 6559406)
I know a mother who has two children who have the same allergy here in Ireland.Whilst out shopping late friday evening two weeks ago and had her handbag which contained the epipens stolen.

As her GP was not going to reopen untill the monday morning she faced the weekend with out her childrens epipens.She went into a chemist ,told the pharmacist the situation he inturn phoned her regular pharmacist who emailed through her kids prescription history.He gave her the epipen and asked her to bring in the prescription from her GP on the monday,which she did.

Wonderful. It doesn't really cover forgetting your meds and being in an emergency situation

Nemo123 21-12-2013 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The baby Zeesus (Post 6559395)
I don't really think a person's salary dictates how much they can break the rules of their job description... from an emotional point of view, I can't believe a pharmacist wouldn't hand over an epipen to help a dying person; but as it's an exact science how much medication is needed in any given epipen for any individual, the pharmacist wouldn't necessarily have had the dosage needed just waiting by the counter in some kind of "here's one I made earlier" situation. Any time I go to the pharmacy for some medication, I have to wait half an hour to get my medication - I don't know why that is but I don't think it's because they like to make people wait. Maybe the pharmacist didn't have what they needed. Maybe the mother wasn't making sense. Maybe the girl died before the pharmacist could have realistically provided anything for her. I don't know.

My brother in law is a pharmacist. My niece is too. She's irrelevant.
My brother in law use to be lax about prescription drugs. Antibiotics and painkillers. Solpaeine.

He was a good lad, benevolent.

Ithinkiloveyoutoo 21-12-2013 04:19 PM

Don't know what to say. On the other hand if the pharmacist had given it to her and it turned out to be a factor on her dying, the pharmacist would be on trial. difficult situation but RIP.

Nemo123 21-12-2013 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo (Post 6559444)
Don't know what to say. On the other hand if the pharmacist had given it to her and it turned out to be a factor on her dying, the pharmacist would be on trial. difficult situation but RIP.

I think the pharmacist has a case to face for not performing his duty.
Pharmacists are not suppose to be just shopkeepers, they are suppose to be medical professionals, who perform a medical service.

Not just money for old rope.

Nemo123 21-12-2013 04:29 PM

I'm very angry that a pharmacist denied live-saving treatment to a human being.

Cherie 21-12-2013 04:33 PM

Difficult situation for the pharmacist, however I think he could have done a bit more, at least try and find out the dosage or where her regular prescription was fulfilled or dialled 999, why let them walk to A and E? The mother was obviously in a panic and not thinking straight, but letting her walk out of his shop was really horrendous of him.

lime 21-12-2013 04:41 PM

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-29857224.html
It seems that pharmacists are allowed to provide prescription only meds in an emergency situation since 2003.

Scotland seem to have the right idea.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/health/...ment-1-3038842

Cherie 21-12-2013 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lime (Post 6559485)
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-29857224.html
It seems that pharmacists are allowed to provide prescription only meds in an emergency situation since 2003.

Scotland seem to have the right idea.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/health/...ment-1-3038842

Oh well in that case it looks like he was being a lazy bastard.

Nemo123 21-12-2013 04:50 PM

As a consumer within the Irish system I have noticed a sharp clamp=down on the administration of drugs.
The pharmaceutical business in Ireland is a rip off. It's theft. It still is.
When you try to buy a prescription medicine, made in India, the IMO will steal it from your post

user104658 21-12-2013 05:47 PM

This is tragic but a few things are utterly baffling me... For one, most people with a nut allergy wouldn't leave the house without an epi pen because they can be in ANYTHING via cross contamination. Secondly, not having one at a Chinese meal, a type of food which very often contains nuts... And thirdly, having a family member with nut allergy and not knowing roughly which goods contain nuts? Satay sauce doesn't just have nuts in it - it is BASED on peanuts. She might has well have chomped down a tub of peanut butter.

This is a terrible tragedy for any family to endure but there's a lesson in it for anyone with a food allergy, or who has a family member with a food allergy. You need to make sure that you ARE prepared, and also educated on where the dangers lie. Satay sauce would be right at the top of a nut allergy sufferers "avoid" list.

GypsyGoth 21-12-2013 07:11 PM

I've heard of peanut allergies before, but I never thought it was that serious.

It's a really sad story, shame that it took this for the mom the realise that she should have been carrying around this injection all along. And again it was pretty reckless to overlook the -this product contains nuts - warning.

Hopefully people and children who get diagnosed with this in the future will be better informed.

Vanessa 21-12-2013 07:13 PM

She was a Luke Friend fan. Her Christmas present was to see Luke live in Dublin. :bawling:

Nemo123 21-12-2013 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanessa (Post 6559710)
She was a Luke Friend fan. Her Christmas present was to see Luke live in Dublin. :bawling:


This is very offensive.

Ammi 21-12-2013 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth (Post 6559708)
I've heard of peanut allergies before, but I never thought it was that serious.

It's a really sad story, shame that it took this for the mom the realise that she should have been carrying around this injection all along. And again it was pretty reckless to overlook the -this product contains nuts - warning.

Hopefully people and children who get diagnosed with this in the future will be better informed.

..yeah, some are extremely serious, Claudia...at school, children with nut allergies can't eat their lunch on the same table with anyone who has something like a peanut butter sandwich in their lunch...it happened once because no one was aware the child had the sandwich filling and the 'nut allergy' had an instant and extreme reaction...we did have an epi-pen though, which we used and then he was taken to hospital...he was ok but it was very scary...

Vanessa 21-12-2013 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemo123 (Post 6559713)
This is very offensive.

From the Luke Friend appreciation thread on Digital Spy :

A tiny post in memory of 14 year-old Emma whose Christmas present was X Factor tour tickets to Dublin. She was a fan of Luke and would have been excited about seeing him come to town, I wonder if she knew? I weep for her that she didn't have the opportunity to see Luke perform live. Her death had nothing to do with being a Friendie. Isn't it sad Luke has one fan less due to rules and regulations:

AnnieK 21-12-2013 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 6559717)
..yeah, some are extremely serious, Claudia...at school, children with nut allergies can't eat their lunch on the same table with anyone who has something like a peanut butter sandwich in their lunch...it happened once because no one was aware the child had the sandwich filling and the 'nut allergy' had an instant and extreme reaction...we did have an epi-pen though, which we used and then he was taken to hospital...he was ok but it was very scary...

A girl at my friends daughters school just died from a huge allergic reaction to nuts, so sad.

Nemo123 21-12-2013 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanessa (Post 6559719)
From the Luke Friend appreciation thread on Digital Spy :

A tiny post in memory of 14 year-old Emma whose Christmas present was X Factor tour tickets to Dublin. She was a fan of Luke and would have been excited about seeing him come to town, I wonder if she knew? I weep for her that she didn't have the opportunity to see Luke perform live. Her death had nothing to do with being a Friendie. Isn't it sad Luke has one fan less due to rules and regulations:

Thanks.

Context is always nice.

Z 21-12-2013 10:44 PM

My cousin has a peanut allergy. As far as I know he doesn't have an epi-pen in case he eats something with nuts in it, I wonder if it's common for people with nut allergies to not really take it seriously?

Ninastar 21-12-2013 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 6559717)
..yeah, some are extremely serious, Claudia...at school, children with nut allergies can't eat their lunch on the same table with anyone who has something like a peanut butter sandwich in their lunch...it happened once because no one was aware the child had the sandwich filling and the 'nut allergy' had an instant and extreme reaction...we did have an epi-pen though, which we used and then he was taken to hospital...he was ok but it was very scary...

We have to seperate one of our children too but thankfully nothing has ever happened at my work. Are you epipen trained? I am and it's crazy up see how quickly it can happen.

I think the mother should have carried the epipen at all times really.

Nemo123 21-12-2013 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemo123 (Post 6559723)
Thanks.

Context is always nice.

I'm sorry. Your tragic loss is greater than the run-of-the-mill cancer deaths, which occur every day.

Niamh. 22-12-2013 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarysBoyChild (Post 6560477)
We have to seperate one of our children too but thankfully nothing has ever happened at my work. Are you epipen trained? I am and it's crazy up see how quickly it can happen.

I think the mother should have carried the epipen at all times really.

You would think so if your child had that serious of an allergy. Still though I think If I worked at a pharmacy and someone was dying on my doorstep, I'd just hand it over tbh

Ninastar 22-12-2013 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niazareth (Post 6560496)
You would think so if your child had that serious of an allergy. Still though I think If I worked at a pharmacy and someone was dying on my doorstep, I'd just hand it over tbh

i agree but i very much doubt he knew her prescription and im not too sure whether the mum said it herself. he could have killed her himself if he 'guessed' and got it wrong so i think he just did what he thought was best.

i know you'd just hand over the medicine, anyone would... but I don't think it is as simple as handing over a simple prescription. Maybe it takes 10 - 15 minutes to make. who knows?

for someone to blame the pharmacist is totally wrong. There's many things wrong with the healthcare system atm and this isn't one of them. This pharmacist will probably blame himself for life now.

Ammi 22-12-2013 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarysBoyChild (Post 6560477)
We have to seperate one of our children too but thankfully nothing has ever happened at my work. Are you epipen trained? I am and it's crazy up see how quickly it can happen.

I think the mother should have carried the epipen at all times really.


..yeah, virtually everyone in the school is epipen trained because we have quite a few allergies, although not all of them have serious reactions..and actually, not all of them have epipens...we've had a few random allergies as well when not even the parents were aware of them until it happened, so there were no epipens etc...luckily they've all been ok though, but it is pretty scary to see it all happening so quickly...and the feeling of complete helplessness when a child/someone can't breathe..I guess that's why I can't understand this story and the pharmacist because, you would try anything to help them if you could because it's obvious with a serious allergic reaction that time is a big factor...but I guess I also understand that they wouldn't have wanted to take responsibility for something going wrong so it is a difficult one...just not a position you want to be put into really...poor girl and her family though, just one of those very tragic things....

Jords 22-12-2013 04:26 AM

Im sorry but the pharmacist is a ****ing idiot. I wonder what their reaction would have been if the 14 year old had stumbled in by herself begging for an epipen? Send her out the door all the same and watch her collapse by herself?

That pharmacist should have had an idea by that girl's reaction what she was suffering of and the extent of it. Following rules straight to the end is NOT always the answer! Its just the easiest option and look at the result of it.

Careless.

Ammi 22-12-2013 04:33 AM

..yeah, I do know what you mean, Jords...but I think it's probably become such a culture of serious repercussions if someone makes an error, that maybe people have become too wary of even trying, which is so very sad...and as much as it's an 'ideal' thought to think that people would just act on instinct and try to help, regardless of rules etc..they do also have to think of themselves/their families etc and the possible repercussions/effects it could have on them if they got it wrong....I don't know if that's what it was but...yeah...really sad...

Jords 22-12-2013 04:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 6560656)
..yeah, I do know what you mean, Jords...but I think it's probably become such a culture of serious repercussions if someone makes an error, that maybe people have become too wary of even trying, which is so very sad...and as much as it's an 'ideal' thought to think that people would just act on instinct and try to help, regardless of rules etc..they do also have to think of themselves/their families etc and the possible repercussions/effects it could have on them if they got it wrong....I don't know if that's what it was but...yeah...really sad...

In my opinion they were not doing their job properly, they should have had some idea on the severity and acted upon it appropriately i.e. give the girl the bloody epipen!

Im so shocked at this, and if they use "I was just doing my job" then they are an even bigger idiot because that would suggest to me if the exact same scenario took place theyd act in the exact same manner i.e. letting people die!


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