Helen and the prostitute thing/is it relevant..?..
 

..I'm really no fan of Helen at all as a person and how she's been in the house with her part in how Jale has been treated but in so many threads I've read name calling/'cheap jokes' that refers to what she does/did for a living and not just on the forum but on the internet in general...I know CBB is different because we know something about the housemates before they enter the house so our opinions can be biased from that and Jim Davidson was a good example because he didn't have the most 'positive' of pasts but we were always reminded that judgement should just be on behaviour within the house/does the same not apply here even though we had this pre-knowledge of her ...I find it personally really irritating and irrelevant to read so many snidey remarks about Helen and what she does for a living because I don't think it's relevant to 'judging' her in the house and also a little bit detracts from what is actually happening in the isolation of Jale...

..thoughts..?...

Once a slapper, always a slapper

Nope her previous occupation doesn't have any bearing for me. Her attitude and treatment of others is what I judge her on.....both stink IMO.

..is that relevant to being referred to with her behaviour in the house though..?..isn't it more about how awful and mean she's being with Jale..?..

I think its down to personal choice or opinion ,everytime i look at her I see an wizened up twisted prossie ,as someone said above ,once a prossie always a prossie

Yeah she's a footballer shagging *****

She shagged a football??? That's a new low :laugh:

She's hardly using this opportunity to present herself in a positive light. If she were, I think most people would probably respect her a lot more and give her a second chance. Her history would more than likely be forgotten by most, if she conducted herself with grace and decorum. She may even have managed to forge a brighter future for herself.

Unfortunately she has not been able to make the most of the opportunity presented to her, and while some of the comments aimed at her may seem harsh, I cannot really feel any sympathy for her. It'll take a MASSIVE about-face for her to turn it around.

OI. It's early

No i don't think her what she did for a living had any more relevance than Kim being a playboy bunny. Helen came into the house to show she was so much more than her past, her being a prostitute pales into insignificance as to what she really is a nasty excuse for a human being.

I think most people are just joking around rather than making a serious remark about her past.

It is to Ash and Marlon ,they want a slut in the house .

bb are going to put a red light in the window just so she can earn some more cash

jokes aside i judge the person. and she is disgusting in every way and the fact shes a 2 dollar ***** just shows how low the hoe will go

It's a noble trade, valuable members of the community.

No, not for me.

If it wasn't for the fact she's a prostitute who shagged someone famous, does anyone think for one minute she'd be in Big Brother? No... she wouldn't. She's be slagging her wares around... wherever it is she slags her wares. And all the time she's making hurtful remarks about someone else, she's fair game in my opinion.

Thankyou ammi, there have been many housemates who have been , escorts(nikki) porn stars (benedict), madams (hiedi), had affairs and sold stories (natasha)
They weren't given a bad time, and you're totally right those who insisted that jim was given a fair crack of the whip are now focusing almost exclusively on her past.

I don't like the woman, I'm not in agreement with any ill treatment of any housemate at all let's make that clear.
But as big brother created this monster? I compared it to the Stanford prison experiment the other day..
The housemates touched by the power or given 'guard' status are acting totally different to the other 'inmates'

'As the prisoners became more dependent, the guards became more derisive towards them. They held the prisoners in contempt and let the prisoners know it. As the guards’ contempt for them grew, the prisoners became more submissive.

As the prisoners became more submissive, the guards became more aggressive and assertive. They demanded ever greater obedience from the prisoners. The prisoners were dependent on the guards for everything so tried to find ways to please the guards, such as telling tales on fellow prisoners.'
http://www.simplypsychology.org/zimbardo.html

I wouldn't judge her on her career choice no and I would never call another woman a slut, slapper etc etc but I do have a low opinion of women who sleep with married men(the men are of course worse *terms and conditions apply* ), will I judge her on that? Yes, absolutely, especially when her personality since she's gone in there has been foul.

Remember when the playboy twin sisters were on CBB?

One of them was really upset that that drunk, who eventually won, pulled her pants down. The public had little sympathy because said twin was a playboy model. The "logic" was that she takes her clothes off for a living, so why should it bother her if someone pulls her pants off for "fun".

And that other girl who had a shopping list online for men to buy her things, can not remember her name. She got a bad reception by many, just for that.


What people do, reflects people's opinion. It really should be about what a HM does in the house. But it often isn't.

I don't like men who hit women much, and yet the 'it's in the past' angle was taken with jim, sounds like double standards to me.
I agree with the comment about the twins, they were humiliated regularly and viewed as a 'piece of meat' on the forum with glamour shots of their bottoms shown when they objected to the actions of the house lush.
And yet comments made by marlon to kim made her feel uncomfortable so it's now accepted that her work and her house persona are totally separate?

Quite. People don't change. No amount of tarting up and plastic surgery will give her one ounce of class.

It was pretty weird how she was bragging that she would rather **** in her own mouth than look at Marlon considering her former profession.

Her being a prostitute doesn't really matter to me,BUT when you couple it with the vile person she is,it makes it seem relevant that she is vile in any walk of life.You'de have thought she would have tried at least to be a little decent.

100% agree. Although I always thought that women, like her, who slag their wares are usually in the CBB House, especially when those wares are intended for famous people. So many people have agents these days that it makes it difficult for the ordinary Joe Blog to get anywhere.

Here life experience has helped to shape the person she is. If she was a Christian (hah), like Danielle, we would expect a certain standard of behaviour from her. If she was an intellectual (hah), we would expect a more cerebral response to things.

The fact is the things we do, say and experience, shapes determines the type of person we become.

She is a foul, rancid, bullying individual, obviously full of self loathing and resentment. I would suggest her previous lifestyle is very much relevant here in explaining how awful and nasty she is.

Clearly there are reasons for why people may become prostitutes; some do it because they are drug addicts, some because they want as much cash as possible for minimal effort, some choose it as a career. I would suggest Helen become one because she wants more than her abilities and accomplishments can provide her. In that sense, she is a nasty, exploitative, mean spirited skank. Therefore her skanky exploits are very much relevant to the type of person she is now.

I am not keen on Helen and some of the things she has said have been uncalled for but i am not going to judge her on what she did in her past. I will judge her on how she is in the house & so far she isnt doing good.
I do find it odd how a few of the housemates have said she is nice & funny but we never see that, we just get shown her been bitchy. I guess that is good for BB though.

She probably is nice and funny to the ones she gets on with but the show is an hour long so the arguments and that are just more interesting then her being nice to her friends I guess :shrug:

Then your supposition would be incorrect, she stated it was due to spiraling debt.

'This is the story of an ordinary girl who became a single mother at 16 and then got herself into debt. She had borrowed £500 from a loan shark for a holiday to Spain'

'For almost two years, she slept with men for money. Her most famous client was Wayne Rooney'


http://www.independent.ie/woman/cele...-26750972.html

Yeah you are probably right Niamh.It would be nice to have a bit of balance, if they can find any with Helen :laugh:

You have missed the point of what I wrote. Do you really think that anything that comes out of the skank's mouth is true. What she says and what she does are in contradiction to each other.

The original question was, is her prostitute's lifestyle relevant to how she acts today. I trust my insight into how she acts, with how she interacts with others. She takes especial delight in trying to bully Jale, who though a plain looking woman has more beauty as a human than the skank does. The skank is a self loathing individual, not because she became a prostitute but because she became a nasty vindictive, money grubbing prossy, wanting everything for minimal effort. Her past is very much relevant to her present. She has lived as a prostitute, not as a woman in need but as a woman in greed.

If you presume that our past does not influence our present, then clearly we see things very differently.

No I haven't, don't do a toya on me :laugh: You assume you know helens motives because youve decided in your mind she's a 'skank' that's a given.
The OP questions if it's relevent to apply her past actions to her time in the house as I see it... and if you've taken it upon yourself to be judge, jury and executioner there's nothing else to say.

Her past doesn't bother me. I don't tend to judge HMs on their outside life, however I can't help but giggle when shes getting on her high horse about taking other peoples stuff and that :D

I don't look down on someone for being a prostitute, and I feel acting like someone is a bad person simply for this is highly unfair. Specifically sleeping with married men knowingly, however, is a different matter.

Still, I intended to judge her purely on her in-house behaviour, but because she's been so unpleasant, hurtful and judgmental, I can't feel much sympathy for her when people are in turn judgemental of her for much more valid reasons.

Also, when she makes bitchy, but ironic, comments like "Do you always help yourself to other people's stuff", and "I feel like they're disrupting a family", comments about how these lines could refer to her own former antics are bound to happen.

No, I don't judge her on her being a prostitute.
However, perhaps the job she does or did has shaped her personality a little.
She has an awful personality, very hard faced, sooner she is out the better.

Everything she says and does....... yes, but you were once a prostitute.
The married men in these scenarios blameless then?

Well it all comes down to individual opinion really. Every year on here some people judge a housemate including their past in it and some don't, it's just always been the way of it.

I personally don't judge Helen in the house on her past, she's awful enough in there as it without even bringing that into it IMO however I do agree with Vicky that you can't help but laugh at the hypocrisy of some of the things she says when you remember what her past is.

It also sometimes mingles together when you think about it, Helen got so irate at possibly being referred to as a slag by Danielle and the whole big drama occurred and I would guess that's because Helen was thinking of her past, she more than likely thought Danielle knew who she was and made reference to it, the thing is because of what she's done the stigma will always be with her, that's her own doing and no one else is to blame for it and no one can really blame others if they choose to judge her for it.

Perhaps a married man sleeping with a prostitute actually saves the marriage in some cases, better than them having an affair to get their jollies.

Oh well the goalposts shift again, now it's fine to refer to past actions, she will be criticised and judged for it, that could be seen as bullying too though for me.
Being called a slag by danielle the catholic was what hit the nerve I would say, maybe something in her past triggered that reaction to her sanctimonious moralising?

Is it possible to make a good guess on how many penises she has had inside of her?

Of course it's not relevant and the fact that people are constantly chucking words like 'slag' and 'slapper' around in 2014 as well as calling her a 'homewrecker' for the Wayne Rooney incident when he was the married man that paid someone to do a job for him which she obviously fulfilled cause um...that was her job - speaks volumes about the latent misogyny that exists in society. It's really quite repulsive.