were mark chris ash morally wrong?
 

have these 3 just sold their souls down the river for a few grand?


what do you think? does this illustrate a deeper issue regarding these 3 housemates personal moral code and does it make them more untrustworthy? or are they simply less trusting of others?

would it have been more acceptable if this 3 had not agreed to the 8 way pact in the first place?

are mark and ash less in the wrong because they claim they would split it 8 ways, but chris said hed split it 3 ways in the diary room then later denied that and said he would split it 8 ways ?

what a mess

The pact was wrong in the first place. The extra £25k was for the winner of Big Brother 2014. They have the right to do whatever they like with it.

Taking the money isn't morally wrong since it was "offered" to them. But the way Mark handled it was a complete disgrace. You can't bitch about someone taking the money for themself when you took it for yourself as well.

It is an interesting pact. Why bother trying for the money if you are not going to win. Ash's sentiment. Winston was the one to suggest that it get shared. So all this pact and taking part came from the 'cool gang'. (Helen, Ash, Winston, Mark). Who used most of the available money for selfish reasons and showed little to no concern what it cost in visiting his family? (Mark!) Who has been the most self absorbed and demading? (Mark!)

Who has suffered most from this task? (Chris up for eviction)
Who has been the most responsible person in the house? (Christopher!)

mark telling christopher that he shouldnt help chris and he can speak for himself , when mark and helen and ash are up each others backsides

It's a game show, anything goes.

fair play to pavlar though, treated like a dog and he still didnt pinch the cash for himself

Mark is just a Gremlin. They might be entertaining to watch, but they are right nasty bastards.
I would NEVER trust a Gremlin.

i 10000% agree with you...hes a vile vile vile creature

What right did Winston have to suggest a pact and what right did Helen and Ash have to jump on it? Just before Ash was saying "can't be arsed, can't be arsed". When he thinks he might get £3k, he sits up and all of a sudden he's "well involved". He's a twat.

big brother certainly know how to stir the **** heading into the final week, they are the champion of champions in game playing

I don't think so. If it had been out of the actual prize money, then I would think differently but as it was an extra 25k that didn't previously exist, then it's up for grabs. The pact was pointless and meant nothing and everyone was kind of forced into it so it wasn't exactly a signed contract that they all had to stick by.

very very clever game by big brother....fair play....they invented a new way to expose people and their relationships

personally im black and white about it. you agree to something stick to it.....if you get shafted....so what £3,000 each? whats that compared to your word, your character, your reputation?

I used to think he was an ewok but your right he is a gremlin

nope

i asked this and was answered in another thread i thought mark said he wanted to keep the money for himself and someone else said yes so...mark is wrong because he didnt want to share in the first place.

mark sold his soul for an eyebrow....surley thats the very definition of a bellend

The pact was silly in the first place, i doubt any of them would have actually split it.
I personally would have done the same as Chris, split it 3 ways between my friends.

You're spot on, 100% agree with you.

I would've taken it.They went in alone they should do what they need to do(imo).That money dilema brought out the worst in every single one of them apart from Ashleigh.

..no they're not really morally wrong, they've just showed that money plays a big part in it for them but there's nothing wrong with that..the money is after all a big part of the prize ...there are no morals in it/different things motivate different people..all they showed was that they would be the least trustworthy in the pact but the pact is stupid anyway, I doubt many if any would totally stay true to it and at the very most would give some of the money to their closest friends in there anyway....

I totally agree with you Ammi.

Its a game, so no, they were not morally wrong. The fact that it all went to pot when each was put under pressure was always going to happen when a decision was forced on the group without taking the time to think it through.

..yeah, look at what happened when Marlon pressed the button..:laugh:...

I do believe Chris would've shared it 3 ways, and i don't blame him for taking the money as he knows he's not going to win, he was right to take it.

Mark would've kept it all for himself and if he says he'd share it then he's a liaaaaaar!

Ash would have shared it between the 4 of them, that's why Helen didn't jump on him because she knows she'd get hers.

The pact was a load of crap as it wasn't even discussed the 3 "uncool kids" were forced to just join in and did so for the peace of the house.

..I think the thing of it for me though Ruby is that we just don't know/it's only words and nothing more..at the very most, Chris might have felt he meant it at that moment in time but would he have kept to it..?...would £5000 been enough for mark and his boutique or maybe a little bit better boutique would have been a preferable option..?..they were only words for Ash, I doubt he would have shared it with any other than a select few at most...but we'll never know because all it all is, is words...their actions broke the pact and deemed them untrustworthy in a pact, whatever the'r mouths said...but the pact is silly anyway, I doubt any of them or any previous housemates would ever be totally true to a pact like that....

I agree, the pact was ridiculous, but i understand why Chris and Ashleigh went along with it. It takes energy to have a confrontation, and if they'd questioned the pact they'd have been slayed and called selfish by the others, much easier to just go with it, it's what i would have done:smug:

..yeah, I see where any of them went along with it...it has to really be an 'all' thing but historically those pacts have been meaningless and I doubt any would be totally true to it...

Making a pact to me has bad vibes and i suppose people that want a pact are trying to control the outcome to get what they want, i don't understand why Winston came up with the pact, as i'm sure he thinks he's going to win anyway!

..yeah, I think making a pact is more from people who don't think they'll win...not that I judge them for that or wanting a bit of money, just the reality that they would actually ever get any, you know...I don't know with Winston, maybe he felt that £100,000+ is enough and a huge amount anyway..(which it is..)..so he really would give a few thousand away or thinks he will....

A very interesting question and my thoughts are that all three did wrong.I am unsure RE Chris and Ash's real motives but imo Mark messed on all as unless I misunderstood what he said then his reason for taking it was that the 5k he already has would not be enough to start his business but 20k would be.So this implies that he was not considering sharing with anyone.?

I think the pact was a bad idea and was always going to cause trouble.Chris understood this at the time but as usual spoke his mind to BB instead of with the HMs.

Would Ash of shared ? I think so but selectively which would have also broke the pact.

A good BB task but none of the three who took come out of it with any credit imo.

As it is a game show and it is every man/woman for themselves then no I don't think it was morally wrong.

However the way Mark and Chris were so obviously disingenuous was very telling.
So pleased Chris was busted, lying beggar.

I have to say I was shocked when mark took it, but what he actually said was he had 5k for his brow bar thing and another 5k would mean a better brow bar and then he wud share the remaining 10k between everyone. Im sure that's what I heard.

Chris said he would only share it with Christopher and Ashleigh.

Ash I have no idea wot he would have done.

I don't think Chris was "busted" at all he wasn't even allowed to tell them what his thinking was as everyone was so busy shouting over him - given he "earned" £10k of that pot by getting put up for eviction I think he had the most grounds for taking the money in the first place. Mark would have spent it on his brow bar and Ash would only have shared it with his cool gang mates. At least Chris did it as part of the game and knew it would have interesting repercussions. So on topic no it's not morally wrong it's all part of a game.

Chris is morally wrong because he planned to keep it for himself or share it with the Ice Maiden and the Weirdo.

I was gobsmacked about Chris. Horrible little man!!!! Fawning, sycophantic,chain-smoking cynic.