Michael Jackson
 

That has to be the most disturbing piece of television I've seen in my life!

I really don't know what to think about those poor children!

It would appear that he has learned nothing from his past errors.
I think the way he treats his own children re-mask's will only make them paranoid as they grow up.
What sane person would put a veil over their baby's head while feeding it?
It was a wonder the poor little thing could breathe.
I found it all very disturbing.

That bloke is one scary guy, I can't say it's done him much good this programme, if that was his idea. That baby looked scared stiff of him. It's not a look I've seen before when there being fed. It was unsettling. The poor little kid looked really stressed.:conf: He'll get away with it though he seems untouchable. I bet the US government makes a fortune out of him in tax.:conf:

I only saw a part of this prog but I agree. I was all very disturbing.

Aside from all the children issues, the thing about him and the 12 year old was just sick.

As for claiming that he has only ever had 2 ops on his face ...... it is just thatr his face has changed naturally over time. Who does he think he is kidding??

Does he have a few mental difficulties. His relationshipe with his own father seemed to touch a nerve.

I didn't see the programme, so I am cheating here, but I think the answer to your question blinkin is (Helen Adams voice)

Erm---------------YEAH!!!!!

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OF COURSE, THE REAL ISSUE HERE IS ONE OF THE UNETHICAL BEHAVIOUR OF THE SURGEONS WHO CARRIED IT OUT!

What a horrible childhood he and his brothers had, with a monster for a father, his sisters hav'nt faired any better.

I watched it last night and i thought it was a very good program but i have came to my conclusion that he is a very strange person.

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I really couldnt believe what I was seeing and hearing last night. My feelings -

sad - at the terrible childhood he had, what an effect that must have had on him.

shocked that he is allowed to be a parent the way he behaves. Those poor children dragged off to the zoo. They must have been frightened to death. He said his father's behaviour affected him, but what affect can walking round with masks on all the time have. :bawling::bawling:

amazed that any parent can allow a 12 year old to visit someone with his reputation and actually spend the night in his room and he thought there was nothing wrong with it!

There is something seriously wrong with a man who behaves like that. A psychological report done on him would be a real eye-opener:shocked::shocked:

And as for saying he had only had surgery on his nose - come on Michael do you think we are all as wacky as you?

All in all a very thought provoking programme.

I'm desperately sorry for Michael Jackson. I think he is trying to regain his lost childhood by having children around him all the time.

He is a seriously disturbed man, though and I can't help wondering what sort of adults his own children will turn into. :bawling:

I really can't work ot Michael Jackson. I think he is a fantastic singer and dancer (did you see his moonwalks, and he look so grown up when he dances like that) and some of the songs he had produced are out of this world. But his actions are pretty disturbing.:shocked:
I dont think he is a bad person and he doesnt SEE or UNDERSTAND the wrong in sleeping with children, he doesnt like to see it as sexually but literally he is lying next to a boy saying goodnight to him.
I have a lot of thoughts about the guy and the programme and so did a lot of my school mates - everyone watched it!
I just can't work him out.:conf:

I agree Wildchild :thumbs:

There is only one person who I have changed my opinion of after last night’s program, and that is Martin Bashir.

I used to think he was a good interviewer, a respected broadcaster and someone who would do a fair interview without prejudging his subject. I used to think that he would not be the type of person who would be more concerned with furthering his own reputation and career by creating a piece of biased sensationalist journalism that completely betrayed the person he was interviewing.

I was wrong.

I was angry at the end of last night’s program at the totally biased way in which Michael Jackson was portrayed, how Bashir constantly led the viewer into following his own opinion. His constant voiceovers commenting on Jackson’s behaviour, his almost tabloid-like headline comments before each ad break leading the viewer to expect something sensational, slightly ‘ridiculous’ or disturbing in the next segment of the show.

He seemed to spend much of the first part of the show silently mocking Michael and almost wanting him to say something that would make him look strange so that he could make an off-stage comment to the audience about how weird he was. He seemed to spend most of the second half insinuating that he was a paedophile.

I’m not saying that Michael Jackson isn’t a very screwed up human being. He is obviously a very emotionally troubled person spending much of his time in a fantasy world trying to relive the childhood he never had. But I do believe that he would never intentionally harm anyone, be it child or adult, and that everything he does for the children is done out of love.

He isn’t emotionally developed and is in many ways still a child and so enjoys the company of children. I really do think that he genuinely doesn’t understand why anyone would have a problem with his relationships with children and that a sexual motive wouldn’t even enter his head.

He was robbed of his real childhood partly by his demanding and abusive father and partly by his almost immediate success as a performing artist giving instant wealth and the adoration of a screaming public. He grew up too quickly in an un-natural environment and has been paying for it ever since.

Well said, LEE.

You have very eloquently put into words exactly how I felt when watching this programme.

I got the distinct impression that Martin Bashir spent the first half of the programme 'buttering up' Michael and gaining his confidence, then coldly and calculatingly tearing him to shreds in the second half. It was VERY uncomfortable to watch.

Michael obviously was never allowed to have a proper childhood and suffered terribly at the hands of his horribly abusive father. How he can say he forgives him now speaks volumes - I certainly don't think I could.

I also agree with you that Michael is now living out his missed childhood by spending as much time as possible with other children - climbing trees, going to the funfair - all the things he never got to do when he was young. To my mind there is absolutely nothing sexual about his actions - he is just crying out for love and companionship.

I do, however, feel a bit uncomfortable where his children are concerned - there really is no way on earth they can be having a normal childhood, being constantly covered in veils and masks and surrounded by bodyguards.

It was a very disturbing programme, but in the main I felt far more pity and sympathy for Michael than anything else.

I was also quite surprised to read that Michael has not yet seen the documentary, as it is not due to be shown in the US until this weekend. I think he's going to feel very disappointed and betrayed down by Martin Bashir's finished product.

The witch hunt has started.

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It seems that Martin Bashir has also been receiving his fair share of criticism following this programme -
CLICK HERE to read an article from the Daily Record.

That's exactly what I said (I think!!) :spin2:

Michael Jackson is feeling very betrayed and is very angry at Martin - all over news!

It seems that many people are actually thinking the same as us Kaz. I have read or heard several articles over the past few days that support Michael and are horrified or angry at the treatment he has got from Martin Bashir.

Comments on several other Forums and message boards also echo what we have been saying on here.

Michael Jackson has made a statement today saying how betrayed he feels, he says.....

CLICK HERE to read the full statement

Debbie Rowe has also spoken out defending him and saying what a wonderful father she thinks he is.

CLICK HERE to read Debbie Rowe's comments

I've also heard Uri Geller talking on several radio programs about how horrified he is by the portrayal of his friend. He is feeling particularly bad as apparently it was him who persuaded Michael to go for the interview with Bashir.

I personally hope that this all backfires on Martin Bashir and that he never gets to interview anyone again.

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Michael Jackson dangled his baby over a balcony!

Michael Jackson covers his childrens' faces with obscure masks!

Michael Jackson admitted he lets children sleep in his bed!

Michael Jackson was shaking that poor baby while he was trying to feed it!

Michael Jackson calls his baby "Blanket"!

Michael Jackson admits he is totally screwed up because of how his father treated him as a child!

Michael Jackson paid off a 13 year old boy who claimed he was a victim of sexual abuse but still sees no wrong in sleeping with children!


I'm sorry but where in this was Martin Bashir falsifying evidence or lying? Michael Jackson said all these things in his interviews, if he didn't want them to become public he should have kept his mouth shut!

I watched the interview again this afternoon and have had second thoughts about my previous post.
( Not I might add about the masks though).
He came over as a very lonely man.
It seems to me he is trying to live the childhood he didn't have.
Can you blame him really. His father beat him into submission and ridiculed him at every opportunity.
One thing struck me as odd about his denying all but plastic surgery on his nose.
Remember Karen Carpenter?
One careless remark about her weight and she became anorexic.
Michaels father always saying he had a big nose and a fan commenting on his bad skin probably planted the seed's into his brain to do something about it. The problem with things like that is that they don't know when to stop.
Does this make sense ?

He slept on the floor and not in the bed with the children.

Michael Jackson dangled his baby over a balcony!
He realised this was a foolish thing to do. He was caught up in the excitement of the moment and didn't think. It was stupid but it doesn't make him malicious

Michael Jackson covers his childrens' faces with obscure masks!
From an early age he has had to put up with the type of media pressure that is unimaginable to most of us. He has become a recluse himself partly because of it. I agree that there are issues related to the masks, but he does it because he thinks it is protecting his children from that type of media scrutiny. If no one knows what they look like they will be safe.

Michael Jackson admitted he lets children sleep in his bed!
He has never grown up. I don't think his emotional age can be much more than 12 himself. I don’t for one minute think that anything even remotely sexual would enter his head. He’s a big kid having a sleepover with his friends. I do agree that it isn’t healthy for the kids, but not because I think Michael Jackson would do anything to them, but because it might make them think that other adults who suggest something like this are just as innocent as he is.

Michael Jackson was shaking that poor baby while he was trying to feed it!
I do agree with you about this. He gave me the impression that it was something he didn’t usually do and I think he might have been feeding the baby for the cameras. Probably quite a silly thing to do. Oh, and btw my take on the veil is exactly the same as for the masks earlier.

Michael Jackson calls his baby "Blanket"!
It’s a nickname. He explained it in the interview. To ‘blanket’ someone is to cover them with love. What’s wrong with that? Lots have people have stupid nicknames for their children.

Michael Jackson admits he is totally screwed up because of how his father treated him as a child!
And for that I think he deserves our sympathy not our condemnation.

Michael Jackson paid off a 13 year old boy who claimed he was a victim of sexual abuse but still sees no wrong in sleeping with children!
I never thought much of those accusations myself. If I had been the parent and the allegations were true there is no way I would have allowed myself to be bought off as I wouldn’t have been doing it for money but to get the ******* that touched my child. I think the whole fact that they did take the money speaks volumes as to the truth of the allegations.

I'm sorry but where in this was Martin Bashir falsifying evidence or lying? Michael Jackson said all these things in his interviews, if he didn't want them to become public he should have kept his mouth shut!
I have never once said that I think Martin Bashir was falsifying evidence or lying. I said that he was misrepresenting that evidence and trying to influence viewers with his own opinions and innuendos. When making a TV documentary such as this it is very easy to present information in a biased way, many hours of film footage would have been shot and great care taken in what to choose to show. When things are seen out of context it is very difficult to make a valued judgment on what really happened. I think it was obvious from his whole attitude within the interview that he went in there with preconceptions of what he expected to find and that he refused to look beyond these. He had already found Jackson guilty before he even met him. It was also obvious that he didn’t like Jackson, and what I saw was a petty little man determined to interpret what he saw and heard in the worst possible light. The thing that really annoyed me though was all the commentary he was making over the top of the interview proper, it was a blatant attempt on his part to influence our opinions with his. I watched this show to see what Michael Jackson had to say about himself, not what Martin Bashir had to say about him.

I can understand what every one is saying about Micheal on here, i too think he's very lonely and wants to make children happy, i can also see why people may want to investigate him sleeping in a room with 12 year old children! He's 44 years old and, even though he may be only reading them stories, i can see why some people worry, i for one, would not want my 12 year old ( if i had one )sleeping in a room with a 44 year old no matter how famous they are.
I am not against Micheal, i do feel for him this is going to be tough for him to take

Here's the poll from AOL
Was Micheal Jackson ' betrayed ' by Martin Bashir?
52% Yes
48% No

Do you think Jacko is......
58% Sad
35% Mad
7% Bad

I voted on that poll Amy and this was how I voted.
I thought he had been betrayed.
I also thought he was sad.

Same here jbellemeg :thumbs:

Not being on AOL I didn't see that poll, but I would have voted exactly the same as you jbellemeg and Amy. :thumbs:

Hi all
I watched this Micheal Jackson documentary and i think it was disgusting, letting young children sleep in his bedroom, i mean thats to far, but also were are the parents! they must sure be mental , i know i wouldnt let a kid go and sleep at a 44year olds house :shocked:, and then in another way when you look at him hes a very sad lonley man,

Like many I think that michael jackson is not a nasty person but someone who is trying to relive his childhood and do the things that he wanted to do as a child but wasn't allowed to do.
However the bit that had me most worried was the line about wanting a child so much he carried a baby doll around,I think he should have tried to sort out his issues before becoming a parent,how will he feel when they grow up and leave him.
I think he should try and let them have some normality in their lives or they will end up with problems too,at some point in their lives they will be known to be his children and will be in for a great shock I don't think he will be able to protect them from the media for ever.
I know that I wouldn't let my child stay with him even if the allegations are false I don't think it is normal for a grown adult
to act as a child and for the children involved it must be very confusing,its ok that he feels he needs to make them feel loved but I think that this is not the way to go about it:nono::nono::nono::nono::nono:

I do think that there are issues with his own children. I think he loves them dearly and would never do anything intentionally to harm them, but I do agree with you Rachb that some of the things he does may affect them in later life and that he isn't capable of seeing that.

It is a difficult one. I really hope that he doesn't lose his children as a result of this documentary, but I also feel that he needs help and advice from a responsible friend/adult about how what he is doing is percieved and the effects it could have on them.

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I think it is incredibly sad that Michael Jackson has turned out the way he has, I used to be a huge fan of his when I was a teenager and I still think he is a very talented man.

You can say he was used and abused in his youth, and he is totally innocent in his feelings towards children. I don't disagree with that!

But his children need a father, not another little boy who doesn't want to grow up!

They also need their mothers!!!!!!

Think it might be better for him though, if he chilled out, I mean what good is it going to do him going to his lawyers. That just makes him look worried about something. Mind you, know ones going to tell him that, there all after what money they can get out of him. Sorry but I still think he's weird though. :thumbs: When he dangled that baby, he was sure living life on the edge there. and walking round the zoo with his kids in the middle of a rugby scrum. Holding a 12 year old kids hand on national telly. Has he no common sense. Maybe he likes the thrill of living on the edge, it's seems like that to me, but what do I know, I'm not a fan anyway, just slightly concerned for the kids. :shocked:

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I'm not really a fan either Steve and never have been.

I don't think that it is him 'liking to live on the edge' at all.

He has been looking after the 12 year old boy and helping him get through the fact he has cancer. He has been offering him love and support and that was what was happening when he was holding his hand.

The trouble with Jackson is that he is totally naive of how his actions could look to the world in general. You ask if he has 'no common sense', and I think in this respect he doesn't, that's the problem.

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Martin Bashir will be following up the program on 'Tonight with Trevor MacDonald' on ITV1 tonight at 8pm.

It will be interesting to see what he has to say for himself.

I've just finished watching the Michael Jackson Tribute concert on ITV1 and he was absolutely brilliant. :thumbs:

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Maichael Jackson was apparently making his own video film at the same time as Martin Bashir, and is about to publish extract from it which apparently prove how two-faced Bashir was.

"The film shows extraordinary scenes of Martin Bashir praising the way Michael treats children and commenting on how good a father he is," said a statement released by the singer.

"The Jackson footage clearly shows that Bashir was actually continuing to praise Michael's abilities as a father and [shows] Bashir making statements about how he feels it is a pity that the world is so quick to criticise Michael. "

CLICK HERE to read the full article

If this is true it will be interesting to see Martin Bashir's response to this.

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Let's face it, there is NOTHING normal about Michael Jackson.Whatever his problems he is also VERY selfish as everything was done because HE wanted it not because it was best for his or any children.

Frightening !

A bit late but my two-pence worth:

I watched the repeat of the programme the other night and having done that I can only echo the comments of Kaz and Lee.

I found Martin Bashir's techniques to be troubling in this film. It seemed to me that his voiceover told a different story to the actual clips we were shown of Michael Jackson. And I didn't really understand the point of the interview at the end. It's not like he is some politician being cross-examined by Jeremy Paxman.

At the end of the day, what MJ has done to his face is his own responsibility. And the fact that he's lied about this may just be an indication that he is embarrassed to admit that he has taken the plastic surgery too far.

MJ is certainly unusual and mixed-up in many ways but I saw no evidence that he is actually bad. He definately needs to surround himself with people that are more honest with him, but in my opinion, this documentary just wasn't all that constructive.