Where does he get off?
 

Where does he get off talking to someone like this?

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-1...-dont-rudeness

So Gary said 'Hey' because he heard his name and couldn't hear the rest, why does that give him the right to talk to him like that? I really don't understand why the producers are letting him do this so much, he's already had one warning.

Gary: "May I finish?"
James: "No you may not."

James: "Even a dog can be taught new tricks." (cackles of laughter in the background)

Wtf.

I wish the beginning wasn't missing. We don't hear James mention Gary.

Omg the way he lectures someone about being rude in the rudest way possible :facepalm: I can't take him anymore. Gary remained so calm, I don't know how he does it.

When James said he feels like a babysitter... Only because he gets on his high horse like he has to guide Gary's behaviour. He doesn't have to, he just does.

Can't wait to see die hard James fans try and justify this one. :bored:

I watched this video this morning and spoke about it somewhere I said then and say it now I want him out fast.

fgs, I like Gary way more than James, but put it like this:

If someone kept rudely butting into your conversation by shouting 'hey, hey, hey' and you had asked them to stop doing it countless times because it bugs you, wouldn't you get exasperated and annoyed? It's not a case of justifying anything, it's a case of not always blaming everything on one person and turning a blind eye to any fault in the other person.
Gary shouldn't be exempt from any blame because he's Gary. It's so patronizing.

I wonder too why it didn't show Gary butting in, just James reacting?

I've had a conversation with you before about the fact that I acknowledge that Gary isn't faultless. Nothing in my comment above suggested that Gary is exempt from any blame, so why are you assuming so? Dunno why you felt like you had to "fgs" me when I never claimed Gary is blameless here or ever before.

Gary might have been rude, but for James to have a go at someone for being rude in such a rude and offensive (name calling like the babysitter stuff) manner is just laughable, hypocritical and ******s me right off. Is it not?! This is the point I was making.

Gary butted in because he heard his name being mentioned, it's not a crime to want to know what was being said and I agree that constant butting in would be annoying but is there really a need for James to get so wound up about it? he's the only one that seems to get so irate..

And again no one says Gary should be exempt from any blame, you seem to mention that a lot when it's over exaggerating IMO there is plenty of people that support Gary and CAN admit his faults.

James goes on about being rude whilst being completely rude.

Gary has to win this!! Makes me laugh and never takes it to another level.

The intolerence by the ignorant baffles me.

Because in your post you pointed out all that James had done wrong and mentioned nothing that might have prompted his exasperation. It bothers me that people always leave out what Gary does and only focus on what James does and I'm afraid you got the brunt of my annoyance, so I apologize for that, as you are by no means the most guilty of doing that. Sorry!

When you have looked after someone with Dementia/brain injuries and etc. You will understand.

It is hard to do and takes much committment and patience. This is just rudeness in the extreme. They will learn.

I so agree.

Of course Gary has faults, it would be interesting to see more though. If James ignored him then Gary is going to try and get his attention, if he heard his name mentioned then he would want to know as many do.

James should really tone it down a bit, he tells Gary how wonderful he has been to stand up for him, those words alone is a put down for someone who doesnt really know who likes him and who doesnt. James has made himself Gary's keeper and he is keeping him in line with his put downs. Unfortunately Gary seems to be under James spell and doesnt realise how he is being manipulated. It is my opinion that because Gary is deaf, they feel they can hold conversations about him and not far from him. Stephanies sneaky little face, she was really enjoying it!

Didnt appreciate James having a go at Kellie neither under the guise of the dummy, there wasnt any need for that.

If he does need to be looked after, it's not down to the other housemates to do so, they didn't go in there to look after someone, that's not their job.

Of course not, but some tolerance and understanding would not go missing.

Would James talk to his own Grand parents this way ? I ****ing hope not.

Spot on. All that is necessary is to calmly say, "Just a minute," or, "I'm not finished." There's no need to lecture and belittle. If we all shouted and ranted at our deaf friends and relatives, and those with dementia, not only would we be hoarse, we'd be abusers. IMO, James is abusing Gary, and BB ought to make it stop, and call off their rottweiler.

But he's not his grandparent though is he? and although he might still dislike Gary to some extent, i have never seen him refuse to help him with things, which he easily could do and put it down to his dislike of him.

No worries :thumbs: it annoys me too when it seems like people pick a favourite and turn everything to be in favour of them, or pick a least favourite and only focus on their bad points. I didn't mean to do that above.

It is getting close.:clap1:

I would like to see James go but the thing which worries me is the fact that James has made Gary so dependant on him would Gary miss him? I would like to see more of Frenchy and Gary together but not much is shown in that way.

No he is a human being and deserves a little kindness and consideration for his disabilities like any other human being does.

I think James like to make out that Gary depends on him a lot more than Gary actually does, that's just my opinion from watching the goings on in there.

Audley, Frenchy and Edele would help Gary out if he needed it.

Honestly it makes me very uncomfortable I can't see how they can let this go indefinitely without stepping in and showing James how he is behaving for half an hour. I just wonder if he would be able to take it on board or if it would go over his head.

So carers should not be kind and understanding on the outside ? And even in this enviroment, there should be some understanding surely.

The thing that stands out the most to me here is how angry James gets, how he feels the need to put Gary down (and not just Gary he does this with anyone he has an argument or disagreement with), I just don't see the need for it, he also carries out his rant in a rude and disrespectful way whilst actually ranting about Gary being rude.

I'm not even going to argue with you because you repeat the same thing over and over again.
I have never once said his disabilities don't deserve consideration, his disabilities wasn't even the topicof the post that you quoted fgs.

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Accepted but he shouldnt then go and take the mickey out of Gary. This is what gauls me. If someone does someone else a kindness it should be from the bottom of their heart and not from the top of a stone wall which only dissolves when the deed can be related and taken to pieces with another person. It is as though he is saying "look how wonderful I am". He isnt, he is one of the biggest stirrers in there.

It is like the person who says, I would give you a sweet if I had one. Trying to look good in another persons eyes but then destroying the fact.

What are you on about, 'carers'? Of course carers should be kind and understanding, but James nor anyone else in there are carers.. like i said, James might dislike Gary, but he doesn't refuse to help him whenever feels he needs to help.

I feel the same way about you. You seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder.

So if someone helps someone because they feel they need help, whether they like them or not, all good from helping said person get's taken away when they say something bad about them? i don't see that logic..

No chip here hun, don't worry about that.

Again, it is about understanding and tolerence. Cost's nothing does it?

No it doesn't you're right.. but they do tolerate him, they might get severely annoyed by him, but they still try with him, that in itself shows tolerance in my eyes.

I'm not saying this is necessarily true in James's case, but it does make their motives for helping somebody a little questionable.

If, for example, someone gives to charity then spends the next week bragging about it (which some people do do!), it does seem a little like their motive was to help themselves more than the charity. Of course, the charity has benefitted from their donation, but that's almost a bi-product of the person wanting to make themselves look all charitable and generous.

Like I said, I'm not saying this is necessarily what James does, but it does certainly make it questionable when he helps Gary but then sniggers about him with others. Other members have suggested that he might help to belittle Gary and feel kind of superior, and I have some suspicions that this might be the case.

Edit: then again, James might be genuinely wanting to help Gary and be happy to do so, but then just gets sucked into the bitching and sniggering with Stephanie and sometimes George. It's hard to call.

Yeah James gets angry and he is definitely no saint. Nothing new there.

He and Gary made it up again afterwards - once James had calmed down a bit - but it'll probably be an ongoing cycle in the house as long as both of them are still there.

I wouldn't employ James as a carer - but maybe Gary would :D

Do you think the hm8s are Garys carers ? fgs hurry up and lets get rid so everyone else can enjoy themselves without babysitting

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That is what it show's.

As said previously, of course not.

It sounded that way

In seriousness. Great point. That is the understanding.

Sorry.

Just understanding of the situation. James is not twenty.

Many twenty year olds understand it.

We have been brainwashed into thinking that Gary does need help but I wonder if some of it is, as someone else said, the fact that he is waited on at home and told when and where to do such and such a thing. With his career he will have stayed in hotels etc. etc. It is the same as someone repairing a car, I wouldnt know where to start, mind you even if I was shown I think I would get it wrong but many would learn. Me, I do not have to but see what I am saying.

A case of understanding and getting used to a situation and not being made fun of for washing a cup and washing the sides, for having a shower etc. etc. I am willing to bet that noone else is under such scrutiny as Gary, he doesnt have a firm friend other than Frenchy, the others talk down to him and not with him as though they are better. The only other one I would trust is Audley tbh. Lauren peed in the pool, George drank the water how do we know who washes their hands after toilet?

I dont think he is slow but I think that James has made him to dependent on him. Perhaps it would be a good thing for James to go after all, maybe Gary will come into his own.:wavey: