Holy,Holy Holy. The Mediator.
 

What an amazing episode that was



Love it, just love it.


Bully Elloit absolutely owned.


Rattled beyond belief.


I cannot believe how good Gary Busey was as the mediator- a riveting 1 hour show.


Did you notice how Bully tried to turn it around away from him ( deflection) back on to Gary. But he was having non of it.


Anyone who had any lingering doubts about Bully's state of mind, his behavior, his attitude, the way he projects himself should have non after tonight's show.

Yes ,one of the best ever imo.

gary
 

I must add............gary was in his element he did that well

Mark L

Gary was great this episode. The task really suited him, and I think that it may have dawned on some of the housemates that he is not as daft as they thought he was.

the ironic thing is that, if James was prepared to listen to advice, he could have learned something useful but he is such a narcissistic egomaniac he wouldn't even contemplate it.

As for his attempt to turn this back on Gary, it's typical of all narcissists - projection. They can never be wrong as their whole house of cards fake edifice that they have created for themselves will come crumbling down.

Still, the little sh*t got exposed well and truly tonight - serves him right.

It was a great one tonight James was very upset it was so sad for the creep he had to go talk to BB.

It was great viewing... I don't think I have ever watched such a delusional person like James before.
I never use the C word....but it's the most fitting one for James. I thought at first James was deliberately being confrontational for airtime, but as time has passed I see that he is just confrontational, nasty, hypocritical and deluded.
He is a really sad man with such a big chip on his shoulder. Everything he does is a joke at someone else's expense...but when people hold their own and show him up for what he really is he just cannot handle it.

For the first time I felt a tad sorry for Bully last night, he looked light he was totally defeated. Totally and utterly defeated.


It's clear that Gary has the measure of him by a country mile. It was like a frustrated father talking to an off the rail teenager with raging hormones. Bully looked physically shocked.

But nothing said last night that I haven't analysed and posted on here. Bullies' facial and body expressions give him away every time, he's like a coiled spring waiting to explode but somehow manages to keep the lid on things but all the subliminal signals he gives off betray the words he dishes out.

The two clips they highlighted last night, one with the confrontation with Gary about whether it was cheers or boos and the way that he lied - straight up- about what Gary had said, Gary pulled him up on it {rightly so} He caved in immediately. Then....

The 'spoiler' clip where he's in the kitchen with Audley and Dee. {Audley is way too nice} Instead of going for the jugular he can see Bully is wounded and wants to help build him back up with the offer of help to teach him how to cook. The point I am making about these two clip is that he looks like a defeated wretch, he looks painfully confused almost like a new intern on his first day at a new school.

..yeah Gary was great at the 'therapist'..I loved every moment of that although I'm not sure such honesty would be the therapy way in real life..:laugh:..and it was the first time I'd seen James really taken aback/almost startled...Gary really hit on some nerves there and I think that could be a good thing for James because there is definitely a 'crisis' he needs to resolve with himself in his life I think...he's not a bully though or anything close to a bully...he's pompous/arrogant/self-important/intolerant at times... etc but nothing like a bully...

That's where we differ on the opinion of him. Bullies come in all guises, he has his gang with him he plays to that audience feeds off them. True, not all the time he is picking on the weak, but he does attack the vulnerable and hey, I must have a longer, sharper memory than you. He threatened to hit a 70 year old man. He had to be dragged into line about his treatment of Gary at the start of the show and if he hadn't the bullying and mistreatment of a pensioner would have really got out of hand. He clearly had an agenda get rid of all the people he didn't like so he could run and rule the house how he wanted it. Life doesn't work like that. Sorry, he has all the signs of a bully and a coward. The remarks he made about Laurren then didn't have the balls to stand up and be accountable for his words. Then he back tracked after he was called out for it.

A classic bully with severe self esteem issues.

...hmmm, I agree with some of what you say...I do recall the confrontation at the beginning and it was definitely to me a self esteem issue and a 'peening of feathers' which he's also done with other housemates but not of 'bullying'...and I do agree that bullying comes in different guises but I don't think it applies here at all...I also think we should stop thinking things like 'mistreatment of a pensioner' because age is irrelevant to an intolerance and lack of understanding/ignorance shown with an impairment, which many of the housemates have equally shown...James no more so tbh... Gary and James most definitely got off on the wrong footing and I think BB were brilliant in how they handled it because it put it back on him to try to get the others to see more tolerance because it was all of them...or still a lot of them at that time...I also disagree on James wanting to 'get rid of people to rule the house'...one of the things about James is that to 'feed' his confidence and self esteem he has had to have those 'stronger' housemates in to pit himself against..?...that's been a big and constant thing with him...and although he has shown extreme intolerance to Gary, I think Steph was probably worse for me and always 'feeding the Gary 'hate'....James has also probably more than anyone else, tried to help Gary at times and spent more time with him, it's just that they're such different people and he's ultimately lost his patience again..I don't like James that much, there is so much at fault with him and there (I think) are serious self esteem issues, which yes would go with 'bully' but I don't think that applies here and he's never to me been a 'leader' of a group...there has been a bandwagon which they've all jumped on and he's been an equal part of that, while also equally 'fighting his battles' with other housemates as well as Gary...

Areally good insightful post delta.
I would myself still hold back as to the bully description but you do point out the traits he has of a bully.
James does play to the pack, especially those he knows will pick up on and agree with whoever he is getting at.

I have a mixed view of James with Gary, he 'appears' to look out for him, however is that only becasue he was 'guided' to by BB when they had their chat with him about housemates being ostracised.

He still grabs every opportunity to get at Gary with his audience,always adding 'he has tried to be a friend to him in this house'.

Nice cop, bad cop routine at times too which does open up inappropriate behaviour to another.
So although I wouldn't go all the way as to saying it was bullying completely, I do feel in James the undercurrents of bullying are there in his personality and attitude that you have pointed out in your post.

And I missed it all! Hopefully it gets on Demand quick so I can catch-up.

..silly Josh..:fist:...

I think the age thing is extremely pertinent as the conversation went " Oh my god I don't think I have hit a 70 year old person, not yet anyway"

He's a classic bully cloaked in a veneer of gooey falseness, constantly shifting the posts from "oh look at me I am the victim here" To one of all out merciless attack, with out stopping to think of the consequences.

The incident we are talking about happened in the very first week of their stay in the house. No boundaries were set and no matter how an older person is acting you NEVER would talk to them and try to bully the older person down in the manner that Bully Elliot attempted to do.

Just the mere fact that he wants to be ( and I think the expression is a loads of codswallop) to be 'Alpha male' demonstrates his need to be top dog and to give the orders and for someone who never, ever is going to be reveals so much about his character.

People who have been bullied tend to show classic signs of being a bully but are unable to carry out properly. He admitted that he'd been bullied and belittled when he was younger and going into what was considered an effeminate occupation he's probably lived with that burden or label of people calling him and accusing of not being a real man.

Kellie states that he is demeaning to women and talks disgracefully about his wife in front of others. He also stated that he was a bully. I agree, he bullied Kelly all of the time. Now do you think he would have said the same things to Frank? No!!! He took liberties. Why? Because he felt safe to do it- no real threat or comebacks.

Another classic sign of a bully is when they are being stood up to or confronted they then become the coward and back down- all front and bluster and we have seen this on numerous occasions where someone has stood up to him and he's caved in. I don't mean Audley who is too nice a guy to be really nasty and knows it's decisive and counter productive to be arguing all of the time. Bully also knows that whilst he's in the safe confines of the BB house he can goad Audley all he wants and there will be no consequences- so even in that scenario he's attempting to belittle and bully Audley.

You disagree about him not wanting certain people around him and not wanting to rule the house? Are you watching the same program as the rest of us? He's tried to be Alpha male for the last 3 weeks and has embarrassed himself beyond belief.

He said last night after he felt ambushed and he then appeared in the diary room as a quivering wreck with a tissue in his hand that the 3 people he didn't like and had a problem with were allowed to attack him. He then went on to say after Kellie had been evicted that was one less to deal with and they wouldn't be able to act as a tag team to be able to verbally attack him. What? Half of the time they weren't talking to each other, so we can dispel that notion that they had some sort of strategy to undermine him.

As Luisa stated last night the guy has so many personal issues and could potentially do something really bad or alluded to something along those lines.


Nah Bully Elliot is the most apt tag to hang round his repulsive neck. Por moi !

Josh, you missed a classic!!!!!

It was just another example of BB pandering to Gary, giving him the chance to feel and act better than everyone else, typical really.

Gary is an expert on conflict resolution?
It must be frustrating for him in that house lol.

He walked the walk and talked the talk.


Non scripted. Pure genius!!!!

He actually said to George { I think} that he didn't know where the words came from and thanked an unknown entity for helping through the day.

Ah yes, that old Gary chestnut.

He's not my favourite actor of all time, but I think if my favourite actor were still alive and in the BB house the other hms would be coming across even worse.

So James does "want to be liked" Why behave in the way he has been then ?

A great show last night too.

I just think he had literally no idea how this would all wear him down and expose himself to himself.

I totally agree. This just illustrates how superior an entertaining HM Gary is given the opportunity to show it. More Gary airtime I say.

Would you care to elaborate?


Oh, come on, it's been said from day 1 of BB that it's impossible to act in there for more than a couple of days. Look what happened when they sent an actor in a couple of seasons ago. They rumbled him almost straight away.

You are literally dealing with quantum maths and infinite possibilities. Not a chance of pulling it off.

What he has done is use the house mates negativeness towards him in a positive light. They have also left him no other option in there other than to entertain himself and us.

So really they have shot themselves in the foot. They 'collectively' think,with out discussing it with each other. That if they don't talk to him then he won't get any camera time. How sadly mistaken they are!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What bull! They have all had tasks in there - Gary's turn.

It also gave him a voice and a chance to make them listen to him for a change and see that there is more to him than meets the eye.

You see what you want to see and don't appear to believe in fairness and all sides being given a chance to speak - the hms would never give him that chance, constantly dismissing him and his opinion.

Let's not forget, Gary did not tall a load of bull, he made a lot of sense, even to the hms concerned.

The vile James could go one of two ways now. He will either start to give Gary the respect he deserves, albeit through clenched teeth, or he will see him as an even bigger threat and be determined to knock him down for daring to stand up to him, especially as he now thinks he may be popular with the public.

Stephanie, Dee, George and Frenchy all had tasks, none of which were shown, It's a bit unfair that Gary gets his own task and that's the one that is shown, not anyone else's, so i do believe in BB being fair actually.

But the "I don't give a frig what people think of me" for three weeks comes across as a lie after that DR. Some self contemplation might do him some good.

If people make claims that later turn out to be wrong and they realise it - is it a lie, or were they just mistaken and now have learned something?

Would people never change and adapt due to fear of being perceived as a liar?

The guy didn't come across to me as the most self perceptive so I tend to think he wasn't lying, just not very knowlegeable.

Glorious moments there! I liked the way Gary told him what his eyes say! The only defence James could come up with was to decide (he obviously is qualified as a psychiatrist but keeps it quiet…) in the diary room that Gary needed a psychiatrist. More proof of what a vile creature James is.

So far BB have pandered to quite a few, Dee was the first and so on and so on. With the task tonight there wasnt any pandering to Gary at all, it is brutal and uncalled for, with Dee and Adelle laughing and giggling and clapping their hands in glee. Adelle was given permission to tell Gary if he was getting on her nerves so she began. Then she sniggered behind his back when he asked a question.

No no if BB were pandering to Gary they would never have let the idiot have his say. Mind you I really do not think that Gary understood all of the issue. It is the last week and mind games are going to be played, Gary is classed as the winner at the moment, the powers that be would like it to be George or Dee, mark my words. Just watch and then say that BB are pandering to Gary. It was a brilliant task and I loved it. Well done Gary you came into your own.

Well said. :cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

Dees was definitely shown, she had the whole of the first week, Leslie then had the second week. I was disappointed that Frenchy wasnt shown but I did see some of George and Stephanies, I think I wound it forward or didnt watch it all. It wasnt entertaining. Gary's was brilliant and entertaining that is the difference.

..I have read your post and although I don't have the same thought process as you with this, I was going to reply to it and carry on sharing thoughts which is always interesting to do and also that people don't always see the same things etc...anyway, there was much I could have said but you really lost me with the bit in bold because I have no idea who 'us' is, I most certainly am watching the same CBB as you and the same housemates...I can see though that discussing it further is pointless as it feels similar to the 'bandwagon' in the house in that ..'you either agree with 'us' or you're wrong..'....and I think Gary himself and maybe by having a different thought process etc..?.. has been put in the 'wrong' and therefore not been shown any tolerance or consideration...anyway, I don't like James at all and think he is many things but a bully isn't one of them and that's based on what I have observed in the house...as for people who have been bullied tending to bully themselves..that is purely an individual personality thing and not something that can be generalised at all....

No not the dutchess task, the one where she had to participate in Frenchy's 'dvd' with George, that wasn't shown.. neither was Stephanie's princess one, as far as i'm aware Gary's task last night was the only task personally designed for a housemate that has been shown and i don't think that's fair.

:worship: To your whole post.

Hi,

Not a problem.


There is no right or wrong and no winners in arguments the only thing that can decide a debate is the majority watching, now whilst I haven't done a poll and you are entitled to your opinion. I think the number of people that said he is a bully in and outside of the house are too many too classify him as misunderstood or struggling in some other sort of human sphere.

Kellie has come from the meanest streets of London and probably dealt with the low life of the boxing fraternity. He let slip in a conversation that he felt intimidated by Mr Jordan {Jumior} now for a woman/man of his past reputation and walk of life tells you something about the image he projects and for that alone he counts as a bully. To intimidate is a form of bullying. Gary touched upon it in the counselling session. Your words say one thing but you are betrayed by your body language.

When he went in there he'd assessed everyone's character with-in 30 seconds and he bragged that the only one he got wrong was Ricci who he thought would be loud mouthed, beer swinging, no for good lout. What?

I also think that the fence sitters decided to side with him for an easy life and a question to ask your self,: Would the house be a more calmer place with out Bully Elliot in it? Well we already have the answer to that from KM. " He stated that there would be a huge sigh of relief if he was evicted and everyone could relax and get on with each other and life." He's a divider, a user, a schemer and a bully. End of.

Another instance that highlights he is a controller and a bully is the night Lauren let things hang out and he recanted later that in " In no way would he let his wife act like that" What, do you own her or something?

The reason why I asked you if you were watching the same program as the rest of us was.Certain people on here don't see the whole picture, not because they are being underhand - they somehow don't see it all. I am a big football fan and the different versions of one event on forums is alarming. There is only one truth one happening and I like the people who get nearest to what actually took place. Not a concocted version or interpretation of events. There is now an unequivocal ground swell of opinion stating that he is a bully and how you can argue other wise I don't really understand. Yes, he has other issues, low self esteem, another sign of a bully,Insecure, lack of confidence, identity problem, problems with authority etc

Finally, I think we will find that the housemates once they have vacated the premises as Boreham Wood- if they have the guts to stand up and be counted- to say that in hindsight that he was overbearing and they were a tad scared of him and were glad that Audley was there as counter balance.

Just to emphasise the thrust of my debate- I would say that he qualifies as a Bully under the two of these listed below. And the Relational Bully is him down to a tee.

http://bullying.about.com/od/Basics/...f-Bullying.htm


Relational aggression is a sneaky and insidious type of bullying that often goes unnoticed by parents and teachers. Sometimes referred to as emotional bullying, relational aggression is a type of social manipulation where tweens and teens try to hurt their peers or sabotage their social standing. Relational bullies often ostracize others from a group, spread rumors, manipulate situations and break confidences. The goal behind a relationally aggressive bully is to increase their own social standing by controlling or bullying another person.

In general, girls tend to use relational aggression more than boys, especially between fifth and eighth grade. As a result, girls who engage in relational aggression are often called mean girls or frenemies.

A teen or tween on the receiving end of relational aggression is likely to be teased, insulted, ignored, excluded and intimidated. Although relational aggression is common in middle school, it is not limited to tweens. In fact, some bullying bosses and other workplace bullies also engage in relational aggression.

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in·tim·i·date (n-tm-dt)
tr.v. in·tim·i·dat·ed, in·tim·i·dat·ing, in·tim·i·dates
1. To make timid; fill with fear.
2. To coerce or inhibit by or as if by threats.
[Medieval Latin intimidre, intimidt- : Latin in-, causative pref.; see in-2 + Latin timidus, timid; see timid.]
in·timi·dating·ly adv.
in·timi·dation n.
in·timi·dator n.
Synonyms: intimidate, browbeat, bulldoze, cow2, bully1, bludgeon
These verbs all mean to frighten into submission, compliance, or acquiescence. Intimidate implies the presence or operation of a fear-inspiring force: "It [atomic energy] may intimidate the human race into bringing order into its international affairs" (Albert Einstein).
Browbeat suggests the persistent application of highhanded, disdainful, or imperious tactics: browbeating a witness.
Bulldoze connotes the leveling of all spirit of opposition: was bulldozed into hiring an unacceptable candidate.
Cow implies bringing out an abject state of timorousness and often demoralization: a dog that was cowed by abuse.
To bully is to intimidate through blustering, domineering, or threatening behavior: workers who were bullied into accepting a poor contract.
Bludgeon suggests the use of grossly aggressive or combative methods: had to be bludgeoned into fulfilling his duties.

Your obsession with James is interesting...and quite scary, ummmm....I hated Helen in BB but I didn't spend a fraction of the time on her that you do on James.

As for the above statement, James is many things, but false isn't one of them. He wouldn't know how to be fake if BB paid him a million pounds to do it. He puts it all out there and locks horns with the world and has not one ounce of deviousness in his body.
If he had, he would change himself to fit the ongoing circumstances - getting boos, getting into arguments, being the 'bad boy' etc. But he hasn't a clue how to rein it in and goes on charging away like a battering ram (just like his astrological sign of Aries the Ram).
I get him because my son and my brother in law are both Aries, and its quite freaky how much alike they are. Just like James, they are very competitive, quick tempered and argumentative and they couldn't look inwards to analyse themselves to save their lives. But they are both fiercely loyal and as big - hearted as they come and are loved by everyone despite their shortcomings (which we all have.)
As I don't know James personally I can't say I particularly like him in the house, but from what I have seen I think his fiery personality is being exaggerated with the strain the BB house must bring, which will be the same for them all. Whatever personality traits they have, they will be shown in larger than life technicolour in there if they let them (and James does, whereas someone like Edele doesn't.)
And I disagree that James is a bully and I think your insistent name calling is very immature and I don't understand how calling him 'Bully Elliot' over and over in your many posts on him doesn't classify as goading his fans.