Originally Posted by Philanthropite (Post 7257154)

(repost because i tagged it wrong sorry) First time posting in the forum but I feel that this has to be said. I, like most of you have been following CBB 14 and truly struggle in forming sentences to reciprocate my feelings for the nastiness shown towards Gary. Particularly how bad this pair have treated Gary. It is an absolute travesty that the kindest housemate I have ever witnessed on any Big Brother is treated like the vilest scum by almost everyone else within the house.

I knew little of any of the shows characters when I began watching and I've tried to give many of the housemates the benefit of the doubt. I understand that someone can momentarily be nasty or retort in a way that doesn't truly demonstrate who they are, heck we've all probably done it at some point in our lives and will never know because we don't have a camera following us 24/7.

However I'm now at a breaking point towards Big Brothers leniency with how atrocious he's been treated because it has continued day in and day out, non-*********g-stop. It's arrived to a point where I actually feel awkward following the series, because by watching it, I feel as if I'm justifying their behavior. I feel compelled to watch it for it's conclusion but this is not entertainment, it is downright sickening.

Don't get me wrong, Gary by himself is a comical genius. Even with how he's dealt in and around the arguments which the other housemates have often caused. Yet time after time, they make a mountain out of a mole-hill in almost every scenario involving Gary. The worst part about it is they all use each other when Gary isn't around to cry on each others shoulders and emotionally help themselves to pity. Leaving Gary like usual to fend for himself amongst this pack of wolves.

And we're at a point now where I look down on anyone who would genuinely vote to keep James or Dee in the house. The entertainment card is no longer a justifiable point to keep a pair of bullies in the house, PERIOD. Arguments and banter can be entertaining to watch but its all one-sided because most of the time Gary isn't given a decent chance to speak. All they do is go on about how rude he is whilst being rude to his face. It's utter lunacy to watch, I mean are they so warped that they've fooled themselves into believing they are right? I know many of us always believe ourselves to be right but even then surely nobody normally acts like this towards people they've only known for less than a month.

Their mentality is akin to outright prejudice because they often have no way to justify themselves and devolve most of their arguments into nonsense. Audley and Frenchy were never nasty to Gary but why are they the only ones that have any sense of *********g decency? Audley said that he grew up and understood what prejudice behavior was like because he himself experienced it growing up, due to his colour, and I believe that is why he can see exactly what is going on. I don't blame him for distancing himself since he's playing to win and I hope he's laughing whilst they all verbally crucify themselves. It would be great to see him vouch for Gary but I also don't blame him for not intervening and besides from that he's often never around when most of the arguments happen.

Where do I begin.... To those who believe Gary was wrong in taking his pants off in the Kitchen - did anyone think about the fact that if his knee was in extreme pain then he wouldn't be able to move anyway. It made PERFECT sense for him to sit down and adjust his knee, what do they expect? Gary to *********g crawl to the bathroom? I've read some of the forums where people talk about other members who use the age/brain damage card as their line of defense for Gary. OF COURSE THEY DO, it's a FACT, nobodies making his problems up and he had as much right as ANYONE to enter that house, regardless of his circumstances. Do you think his old age or brain damage just disappears from one time to another? It will be an ongoing cause for most of the houses situations involving him because they have no decency or courtesy to even understand his problems.

Funnily enough I agree with one thing James said all series: "You need to earn respect, you don't just deserve it". Of course the context in which he used it towards Gary was completely misused and untrue but what he said was right. Here's my problem though, respect comes in all different sizes, it is not one simple meaning - an old person can be an asshole, in which case I would have less respect for his personality, but I'll be damned if that means I don't have respect for the situation he is in because of his age. It's as if James thinks no respect should be shown at all, in any way, shape or form simply because he doesn't like his personality and has conflicts of difference.

Don't even get me started about Dee, she's been two-faced the entire series and deserves no respect much like James. On two occasions she's threatened violence towards both Gary and his wife now too which is outrageous. You would have thought that the letter that Gary's wife sent him would have given them a heads up to the **** storm outside the house waiting for them, but no, they aren't intelligent enough to pick up on the subtle messages within the letters. Even Edeles letter had a sly message of respecting Gary in there but it's as if anything involving Gary now sparks more fireworks regardless of the subject.

I'm absolutely ashamed that we have ******s like James and Dee representing the British and Dee even slots right into the a-typical stereotype of the benefit leeches that exist today. Believe me I wanted to like Dee but she has no redeeming factors whatsoever.

The rest of the housemates are vile too, aside from Audley, heck even George and Edele have jumped on the Gary bully bandwagon, though I saw signs of it in early days anyway. Edele seems fairly intelligent because she recently mentioned she see's that Gary can be an easy target but STILL latches onto him to vent which is utter hypocrisy. This is not an act, it is who they are, they might play up towards the cameras, but people living their daily lives together for a month would naturally slide into their own personas. Don't let them fool you for one second...

Despite Lauren being a bit too happy with how much she drinks, I'm glad she stuck up for Gary, because whenever I see it happen even once, it's a cause for celebration. Ricci is just suckling on his Dee moms tit and will follow her like a dog until the end, especially now that he knows he and Lauren won't be happening anytime soon.

I hope Gary or Audley will win but have a feeling George might because the public are deluded and blinded by his bubbly personality. He's by far not the worst housemate but by no means the best either. He's as guilty as the rest of them and it would sicken me just as much to see him win. He tries to make a joke out of everything and I can only think of him like the un-funny jester of the house. He slides away from every single argument and it was great to see Lauren argue with him (though she had no basis of argument whatsoever) and it was interesting to see him squirm under the pressure. He can't deal with it but expects Gary to put up with it constantly? Go ****** yourself as well George.

Originally Posted by smileymummy (Post 7257183)

I think james might actually win.

Originally Posted by Philanthropite (Post 7257154)

(repost because i tagged it wrong sorry) First time posting in the forum but I feel that this has to be said. I, like most of you have been following CBB 14 and truly struggle in forming sentences to reciprocate my feelings for the nastiness shown towards Gary. Particularly how bad this pair have treated Gary. It is an absolute travesty that the kindest housemate I have ever witnessed on any Big Brother is treated like the vilest scum by almost everyone else within the house.

I knew little of any of the shows characters when I began watching and I've tried to give many of the housemates the benefit of the doubt. I understand that someone can momentarily be nasty or retort in a way that doesn't truly demonstrate who they are, heck we've all probably done it at some point in our lives and will never know because we don't have a camera following us 24/7.

However I'm now at a breaking point towards Big Brothers leniency with how atrocious he's been treated because it has continued day in and day out, non-*********g-stop. It's arrived to a point where I actually feel awkward following the series, because by watching it, I feel as if I'm justifying their behavior. I feel compelled to watch it for it's conclusion but this is not entertainment, it is downright sickening.

Don't get me wrong, Gary by himself is a comical genius. Even with how he's dealt in and around the arguments which the other housemates have often caused. Yet time after time, they make a mountain out of a mole-hill in almost every scenario involving Gary. The worst part about it is they all use each other when Gary isn't around to cry on each others shoulders and emotionally help themselves to pity. Leaving Gary like usual to fend for himself amongst this pack of wolves.

And we're at a point now where I look down on anyone who would genuinely vote to keep James or Dee in the house. The entertainment card is no longer a justifiable point to keep a pair of bullies in the house, PERIOD. Arguments and banter can be entertaining to watch but its all one-sided because most of the time Gary isn't given a decent chance to speak. All they do is go on about how rude he is whilst being rude to his face. It's utter lunacy to watch, I mean are they so warped that they've fooled themselves into believing they are right? I know many of us always believe ourselves to be right but even then surely nobody normally acts like this towards people they've only known for less than a month.

Their mentality is akin to outright prejudice because they often have no way to justify themselves and devolve most of their arguments into nonsense. Audley and Frenchy were never nasty to Gary but why are they the only ones that have any sense of *********g decency? Audley said that he grew up and understood what prejudice behavior was like because he himself experienced it growing up, due to his colour, and I believe that is why he can see exactly what is going on. I don't blame him for distancing himself since he's playing to win and I hope he's laughing whilst they all verbally crucify themselves. It would be great to see him vouch for Gary but I also don't blame him for not intervening and besides from that he's often never around when most of the arguments happen.

Where do I begin.... To those who believe Gary was wrong in taking his pants off in the Kitchen - did anyone think about the fact that if his knee was in extreme pain then he wouldn't be able to move anyway. It made PERFECT sense for him to sit down and adjust his knee, what do they expect? Gary to *********g crawl to the bathroom? I've read some of the forums where people talk about other members who use the age/brain damage card as their line of defense for Gary. OF COURSE THEY DO, it's a FACT, nobodies making his problems up and he had as much right as ANYONE to enter that house, regardless of his circumstances. Do you think his old age or brain damage just disappears from one time to another? It will be an ongoing cause for most of the houses situations involving him because they have no decency or courtesy to even understand his problems.

Funnily enough I agree with one thing James said all series: "You need to earn respect, you don't just deserve it". Of course the context in which he used it towards Gary was completely misused and untrue but what he said was right. Here's my problem though, respect comes in all different sizes, it is not one simple meaning - an old person can be an asshole, in which case I would have less respect for his personality, but I'll be damned if that means I don't have respect for the situation he is in because of his age. It's as if James thinks no respect should be shown at all, in any way, shape or form simply because he doesn't like his personality and has conflicts of difference.

Don't even get me started about Dee, she's been two-faced the entire series and deserves no respect much like James. On two occasions she's threatened violence towards both Gary and his wife now too which is outrageous. You would have thought that the letter that Gary's wife sent him would have given them a heads up to the **** storm outside the house waiting for them, but no, they aren't intelligent enough to pick up on the subtle messages within the letters. Even Edeles letter had a sly message of respecting Gary in there but it's as if anything involving Gary now sparks more fireworks regardless of the subject.

I'm absolutely ashamed that we have ******s like James and Dee representing the British and Dee even slots right into the a-typical stereotype of the benefit leeches that exist today. Believe me I wanted to like Dee but she has no redeeming factors whatsoever.

The rest of the housemates are vile too, aside from Audley, heck even George and Edele have jumped on the Gary bully bandwagon, though I saw signs of it in early days anyway. Edele seems fairly intelligent because she recently mentioned she see's that Gary can be an easy target but STILL latches onto him to vent which is utter hypocrisy. This is not an act, it is who they are, they might play up towards the cameras, but people living their daily lives together for a month would naturally slide into their own personas. Don't let them fool you for one second...

Despite Lauren being a bit too happy with how much she drinks, I'm glad she stuck up for Gary, because whenever I see it happen even once, it's a cause for celebration. Ricci is just suckling on his Dee moms tit and will follow her like a dog until the end, especially now that he knows he and Lauren won't be happening anytime soon.

I hope Gary or Audley will win but have a feeling George might because the public are deluded and blinded by his bubbly personality. He's by far not the worst housemate but by no means the best either. He's as guilty as the rest of them and it would sicken me just as much to see him win. He tries to make a joke out of everything and I can only think of him like the un-funny jester of the house. He slides away from every single argument and it was great to see Lauren argue with him (though she had no basis of argument whatsoever) and it was interesting to see him squirm under the pressure. He can't deal with it but expects Gary to put up with it constantly? Go ****** yourself as well George.

Originally Posted by JTM45 (Post 7257242)

A great first post Philanthropite and welcome to the Forum!!!:wavey:

Hopefully karma will prevail and the right American Legend of the Big Screen will take the win! He's certainly earned it with the crap he's had to go through in there, especially after the way he handled it all with such a fantastic attitude, never rising to the provocation! He truly is a wonderful man and should be an example to all.:clap1:



In your dreams maybe but in the Real World this will not be happening!!!! He might make the top four if he's lucky but far too many people think he's a an absolute asshole for him to ever win! :nono:

I guess it's time to 'think' again sonny jim! :laugh:

I predict (with incredible certainty!) that the winners name will begin with the letter 'G', end with the letter 'Y' and those two letters will be joined by the letters 'AR' in the middle!
Wonder who that could be ? :shrug:

I really hope Audley's gets the runner up position behind our main man! They're the only two real examples of men left in there and they deserve it so much!:thumbs:

Those two sat next to each other in an otherwise empty house (after the trash has been removed!) awaiting Emma's announcement will be the best CBB final two moment EVER!!!!!! :dance:

Originally Posted by Trasadkel1 (Post 7257335)

This is why BB is going down the pan.i think people lose all sense of perspective when watching it nowadays. I am sure it took you a long time to write this but. I have to say I totally disagree with it. This is not the real world we are watching. It is a heavily edited entertainment show with tasks and set up situations that are designed to cause conflict. We only get to see snippets that they want to show us and this is then condensed down into 45 minutes out of the 24 hours.

Now we have no live feed we can only base our assumptions on what the editors select to show us. This is my gripe with BB now as it is turning more into a scripted reality show rather than the game it should be. Housemates are given far too much input and tasks are designed to cause conflict. They always have to have their villains and their victim.

The public find their victim and then support them no matter what. In this case it is Gary. He can do no wrong despite the fact that, in the back of our minds, we know from evicted housemates etc that is not the case. Then his behaviour is excused because he is old, brain damaged etc etc. I think Mr Busey himself would be quite disappointed to find that he is being likened to some frail, senile old fool who needs a carer to look after him. I credit him with far more intelligence than that and happen to think he is very aware of what he is doing. It is quite obvious he speaks and behaves differently in the diary room to when he is around the other housemates.

For me I will be voting my winner based on who has entertained me the most in the house and no other reason.

Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 7257381)

This for me is where you make the mistake of assuming that fans of Gary think he can do no wrong. I think most Gary fans know he can be difficult to live with, i dont know many that have said otherwise. The main thing is the HM's are not tolerant of his hearing difficulty which he admitted himself must wear thin but the bitching & sometimes down right nasty comments made behind his back and too his face because he has either said or done something they do not approve of is awful. There is no need for them to be like that with him. As Edele said, when you are frustrated/annoyed Gary is the easy option to take it out on. He gets support because not only is he a great HM he is also been treated badly by people who should know better.

Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 7257381)

This for me is where you make the mistake of assuming that fans of Gary think he can do no wrong. I think most Gary fans know he can be difficult to live with, i dont know many that have said otherwise. The main thing is the HM's are not tolerant of his hearing difficulty which he admitted himself must wear thin but the bitching & sometimes down right nasty comments made behind his back and too his face because he has either said or done something they do not approve of is awful. There is no need for them to be like that with him. As Edele said, when you are frustrated/annoyed Gary is the easy option to take it out on. He gets support because not only is he a great HM he is also been treated badly by people who should know better.

Originally Posted by Trasadkel1 (Post 7257335)

This is why BB is going down the pan.i think people lose all sense of perspective when watching it nowadays. I am sure it took you a long time to write this but. I have to say I totally disagree with it. This is not the real world we are watching. It is a heavily edited entertainment show with tasks and set up situations that are designed to cause conflict. We only get to see snippets that they want to show us and this is then condensed down into 45 minutes out of the 24 hours.

Now we have no live feed we can only base our assumptions on what the editors select to show us. This is my gripe with BB now as it is turning more into a scripted reality show rather than the game it should be. Housemates are given far too much input and tasks are designed to cause conflict. They always have to have their villains and their victim.

The public find their victim and then support them no matter what. In this case it is Gary. He can do no wrong despite the fact that, in the back of our minds, we know from evicted housemates etc that is not the case. Then his behaviour is excused because he is old, brain damaged etc etc. I think Mr Busey himself would be quite disappointed to find that he is being likened to some frail, senile old fool who needs a carer to look after him. I credit him with far more intelligence than that and happen to think he is very aware of what he is doing. It is quite obvious he speaks and behaves differently in the diary room to when he is around the other housemates.

For me I will be voting my winner based on who has entertained me the most in the house and no other reason.

Originally Posted by Trasadkel1 (Post 7257335)

This is why BB is going down the pan.i think people lose all sense of perspective when watching it nowadays. I am sure it took you a long time to write this but. I have to say I totally disagree with it. This is not the real world we are watching. It is a heavily edited entertainment show with tasks and set up situations that are designed to cause conflict. We only get to see snippets that they want to show us and this is then condensed down into 45 minutes out of the 24 hours.

Now we have no live feed we can only base our assumptions on what the editors select to show us. This is my gripe with BB now as it is turning more into a scripted reality show rather than the game it should be. Housemates are given far too much input and tasks are designed to cause conflict. They always have to have their villains and their victim.

The public find their victim and then support them no matter what. In this case it is Gary. He can do no wrong despite the fact that, in the back of our minds, we know from evicted housemates etc that is not the case. Then his behaviour is excused because he is old, brain damaged etc etc. I think Mr Busey himself would be quite disappointed to find that he is being likened to some frail, senile old fool who needs a carer to look after him. I credit him with far more intelligence than that and happen to think he is very aware of what he is doing. It is quite obvious he speaks and behaves differently in the diary room to when he is around the other housemates.

For me I will be voting my winner based on who has entertained me the most in the house and no other reason.

Originally Posted by Philanthropite (Post 7257131)

First time posting in the forum but I feel that this has to be said. I, like most of you have been following CBB 14 and truly struggle in forming sentences to reciprocate my feelings for the nastiness shown towards Gary. Particularly how bad this pair have treated Gary. It is an absolute travesty that the kindest housemate I have ever witnessed on any Big Brother is treated like the vilest scum by almost everyone else within the house.

I knew little of any of the shows characters when I began watching and I've tried to give many of the housemates the benefit of the doubt. I understand that someone can momentarily be nasty or retort in a way that doesn't truly demonstrate who they are, heck we've all probably done it at some point in our lives and will never know because we don't have a camera following us 24/7.

However I'm now at a breaking point towards Big Brothers leniency with how atrocious he's been treated because it has continued day in and day out, non-*********g-stop. It's arrived to a point where I actually feel awkward following the series, because by watching it, I feel as if I'm justifying their behavior. I feel compelled to watch it for it's conclusion but this is not entertainment, it is downright sickening.

Don't get me wrong, Gary by himself is a comical genius. Even with how he's dealt in and around the arguments which the other housemates have often caused. Yet time after time, they make a mountain out of a mole-hill in almost every scenario involving Gary. The worst part about it is they all use each other when Gary isn't around to cry on each others shoulders and emotionally help themselves to pity. Leaving Gary like usual to fend for himself amongst this pack of wolves.

And we're at a point now where I look down on anyone who would genuinely vote to keep James or Dee in the house. The entertainment card is no longer a justifiable point to keep a pair of bullies in the house, PERIOD. Arguments and banter can be entertaining to watch but its all one-sided because most of the time Gary isn't given a decent chance to speak. All they do is go on about how rude he is whilst being rude to his face. It's utter lunacy to watch, I mean are they so warped that they've fooled themselves into believing they are right? I know many of us always believe ourselves to be right but even then surely nobody normally acts like this towards people they've only known for less than a month.

Their mentality is akin to outright prejudice because they often have no way to justify themselves and devolve most of their arguments into nonsense. Audley and Frenchy were never nasty to Gary but why are they the only ones that have any sense of *********g decency? Audley said that he grew up and understood what prejudice behavior was like because he himself experienced it growing up, due to his colour, and I believe that is why he can see exactly what is going on. I don't blame him for distancing himself since he's playing to win and I hope he's laughing whilst they all verbally crucify themselves. It would be great to see him vouch for Gary but I also don't blame him for not intervening and besides from that he's often never around when most of the arguments happen.

Where do I begin.... To those who believe Gary was wrong in taking his pants off in the Kitchen - did anyone think about the fact that if his knee was in extreme pain then he wouldn't be able to move anyway. It made PERFECT sense for him to sit down and adjust his knee, what do they expect? Gary to *********g crawl to the bathroom? I've read some of the forums where people talk about other members who use the age/brain damage card as their line of defense for Gary. OF COURSE THEY DO, it's a FACT, nobodies making his problems up and he had as much right as ANYONE to enter that house, regardless of his circumstances. Do you think his old age or brain damage just disappears from one time to another? It will be an ongoing cause for most of the houses situations involving him because they have no decency or courtesy to even understand his problems.

Funnily enough I agree with one thing James said all series: "You need to earn respect, you don't just deserve it". Of course the context in which he used it towards Gary was completely misused and untrue but what he said was right. Here's my problem though, respect comes in all different sizes, it is not one simple meaning - an old person can be an asshole, in which case I would have less respect for his personality, but I'll be damned if that means I don't have respect for the situation he is in because of his age. It's as if James thinks no respect should be shown at all, in any way, shape or form simply because he doesn't like his personality and has conflicts of difference.

Don't even get me started about Dee, she's been two-faced the entire series and deserves no respect much like James. On two occasions she's threatened violence towards both Gary and his wife now too which is outrageous. You would have thought that the letter that Gary's wife sent him would have given them a heads up to the **** storm outside the house waiting for them, but no, they aren't intelligent enough to pick up on the subtle messages within the letters. Even Edeles letter had a sly message of respecting Gary in there but it's as if anything involving Gary now sparks more fireworks regardless of the subject.

I'm absolutely ashamed that we have ******s like James and Dee representing the British and Dee even slots right into the a-typical stereotype of the benefit leeches that exist today. Believe me I wanted to like Dee but she has no redeeming factors whatsoever.

The rest of the housemates are vile too, aside from Audley, heck even George and Edele have jumped on the Gary bully bandwagon, though I saw signs of it in early days anyway. Edele seems fairly intelligent because she recently mentioned she see's that Gary can be an easy target but STILL latches onto him to vent which is utter hypocrisy. This is not an act, it is who they are, they might play up towards the cameras, but people living their daily lives together for a month would naturally slide into their own personas. Don't let them fool you for one second...

Despite Lauren being a bit too happy with how much she drinks, I'm glad she stuck up for Gary, because whenever I see it happen even once, it's a cause for celebration. Ricci is just suckling on his Dee moms tit and will follow her like a dog until the end, especially now that he knows he and Lauren won't be happening anytime soon.

I hope Gary or Audley will win but have a feeling George might because the public are deluded and blinded by his bubbly personality. He's by far not the worst housemate but by no means the best either. He's as guilty as the rest of them and it would sicken me just as much to see him win. He tries to make a joke out of everything and I can only think of him like the un-funny jester of the house. He slides away from every single argument and it was great to see Lauren argue with him (though she had no basis of argument whatsoever) and it was interesting to see him squirm under the pressure. He can't deal with it but expects Gary to put up with it constantly? Go ****** yourself as well George.

Originally Posted by Tip (Post 7257262)

It seems that viewers don't care so much that Gary be spared "suffering" - more that they get to see the hero win in the end and the villains lose.

Originally Posted by Philanthropite (Post 7257443)

It's not that he can do no wrong, it's that he has factually done no wrong by what we have witnessed. Is he angelic? No, but pretty damn close to be honest, especially considering the **** he's put up with in there. I would've been in a straight jacket by the end of it. I'm not saying he was right in every single case within the house, but he's not confrontational by nature. They always instigate the problem and bring the multitude of arguments to him not visa versa. Being a problem and causing a problem are two very different things.

I think Gary is being his kind self. Only once did I notice Gary on purpose use his hard of hearing card to great advantage. Whilst Stephanie was talking really loudly at him he kept asking if she could speak louder. I can only hope he did it on purpose because it still wouldn't come close to the nastiness they have spat his way.

I think what I hate the most is that Gary took what they were saying most of the time at face value and genuinely appreciated the nastiness they threw his way. He has finally noticed that they have so much animosity that he can no longer pass it off as a mere coincidence when it is coming at him so often.

They demonstrate outright pack behaviour and have fooled themselves into thinking that the majority opinion is right. James is constantly saying something along the lines of "we can't all be wrong can we Gary" and the simple answer is yes, you can all be wrong. The majority of Germany went along with Hitlers Nazi regime, were they all right too? Of course not, they also went along with this pack mentality because it was beneficial to their way of living due to the terrible economy.

I have not lost all sense of perspective, I went in with an open mind about everyone and the only decent people left in there are Gary, Audley and Lauren in that order. I include Lauren because funnily enough I think getting drunk caused a rift within her between herself and the pack and now she can see the other side more clearly because of it. Well she may well prove me wrong before the series ends but from what I've seen of her more recently has been pleasing to watch. Particularly when Ricci assumed that she should side him with. At the late mid section of the series I had some hope for James believe it or not, because he was being much kinder to Gary and was trying to help him out more. I still wonder whether that was JUST because Big Brother tole him to or whether he genuinely wanted to. I gave him the benefit of the doubt there and thought hey, maybe he is trying to be better about it all. Then we get to the recent situation where he's become a complete ****** again which to me denotes his true person.

Originally Posted by Philanthropite (Post 7257131)

First time posting in the forum but I feel that this has to be said. I, like most of you have been following CBB 14 and truly struggle in forming sentences to reciprocate my feelings for the nastiness shown towards Gary. Particularly how bad this pair have treated Gary. It is an absolute travesty that the kindest housemate I have ever witnessed on any Big Brother is treated like the vilest scum by almost everyone else within the house.

I knew little of any of the shows characters when I began watching and I've tried to give many of the housemates the benefit of the doubt. I understand that someone can momentarily be nasty or retort in a way that doesn't truly demonstrate who they are, heck we've all probably done it at some point in our lives and will never know because we don't have a camera following us 24/7.

However I'm now at a breaking point towards Big Brothers leniency with how atrocious he's been treated because it has continued day in and day out, non-*********g-stop. It's arrived to a point where I actually feel awkward following the series, because by watching it, I feel as if I'm justifying their behavior. I feel compelled to watch it for it's conclusion but this is not entertainment, it is downright sickening.

Don't get me wrong, Gary by himself is a comical genius. Even with how he's dealt in and around the arguments which the other housemates have often caused. Yet time after time, they make a mountain out of a mole-hill in almost every scenario involving Gary. The worst part about it is they all use each other when Gary isn't around to cry on each others shoulders and emotionally help themselves to pity. Leaving Gary like usual to fend for himself amongst this pack of wolves.

And we're at a point now where I look down on anyone who would genuinely vote to keep James or Dee in the house. The entertainment card is no longer a justifiable point to keep a pair of bullies in the house, PERIOD. Arguments and banter can be entertaining to watch but its all one-sided because most of the time Gary isn't given a decent chance to speak. All they do is go on about how rude he is whilst being rude to his face. It's utter lunacy to watch, I mean are they so warped that they've fooled themselves into believing they are right? I know many of us always believe ourselves to be right but even then surely nobody normally acts like this towards people they've only known for less than a month.

Their mentality is akin to outright prejudice because they often have no way to justify themselves and devolve most of their arguments into nonsense. Audley and Frenchy were never nasty to Gary but why are they the only ones that have any sense of *********g decency? Audley said that he grew up and understood what prejudice behavior was like because he himself experienced it growing up, due to his colour, and I believe that is why he can see exactly what is going on. I don't blame him for distancing himself since he's playing to win and I hope he's laughing whilst they all verbally crucify themselves. It would be great to see him vouch for Gary but I also don't blame him for not intervening and besides from that he's often never around when most of the arguments happen.

Where do I begin.... To those who believe Gary was wrong in taking his pants off in the Kitchen - did anyone think about the fact that if his knee was in extreme pain then he wouldn't be able to move anyway. It made PERFECT sense for him to sit down and adjust his knee, what do they expect? Gary to *********g crawl to the bathroom? I've read some of the forums where people talk about other members who use the age/brain damage card as their line of defense for Gary. OF COURSE THEY DO, it's a FACT, nobodies making his problems up and he had as much right as ANYONE to enter that house, regardless of his circumstances. Do you think his old age or brain damage just disappears from one time to another? It will be an ongoing cause for most of the houses situations involving him because they have no decency or courtesy to even understand his problems.

Funnily enough I agree with one thing James said all series: "You need to earn respect, you don't just deserve it". Of course the context in which he used it towards Gary was completely misused and untrue but what he said was right. Here's my problem though, respect comes in all different sizes, it is not one simple meaning - an old person can be an asshole, in which case I would have less respect for his personality, but I'll be damned if that means I don't have respect for the situation he is in because of his age. It's as if James thinks no respect should be shown at all, in any way, shape or form simply because he doesn't like his personality and has conflicts of difference.

Don't even get me started about Dee, she's been two-faced the entire series and deserves no respect much like James. On two occasions she's threatened violence towards both Gary and his wife now too which is outrageous. You would have thought that the letter that Gary's wife sent him would have given them a heads up to the **** storm outside the house waiting for them, but no, they aren't intelligent enough to pick up on the subtle messages within the letters. Even Edeles letter had a sly message of respecting Gary in there but it's as if anything involving Gary now sparks more fireworks regardless of the subject.

I'm absolutely ashamed that we have ******s like James and Dee representing the British and Dee even slots right into the a-typical stereotype of the benefit leeches that exist today. Believe me I wanted to like Dee but she has no redeeming factors whatsoever.

The rest of the housemates are vile too, aside from Audley, heck even George and Edele have jumped on the Gary bully bandwagon, though I saw signs of it in early days anyway. Edele seems fairly intelligent because she recently mentioned she see's that Gary can be an easy target but STILL latches onto him to vent which is utter hypocrisy. This is not an act, it is who they are, they might play up towards the cameras, but people living their daily lives together for a month would naturally slide into their own personas. Don't let them fool you for one second...

Despite Lauren being a bit too happy with how much she drinks, I'm glad she stuck up for Gary, because whenever I see it happen even once, it's a cause for celebration. Ricci is just suckling on his Dee moms tit and will follow her like a dog until the end, especially now that he knows he and Lauren won't be happening anytime soon.

I hope Gary or Audley will win but have a feeling George might because the public are deluded and blinded by his bubbly personality. He's by far not the worst housemate but by no means the best either. He's as guilty as the rest of them and it would sicken me just as much to see him win. He tries to make a joke out of everything and I can only think of him like the un-funny jester of the house. He slides away from every single argument and it was great to see Lauren argue with him (though she had no basis of argument whatsoever) and it was interesting to see him squirm under the pressure. He can't deal with it but expects Gary to put up with it constantly? Go ****** yourself as well George.

Originally Posted by Trasadkel1 (Post 7257335)

This is why BB is going down the pan.i think people lose all sense of perspective when watching it nowadays. I am sure it took you a long time to write this but. I have to say I totally disagree with it. This is not the real world we are watching. It is a heavily edited entertainment show with tasks and set up situations that are designed to cause conflict. We only get to see snippets that they want to show us and this is then condensed down into 45 minutes out of the 24 hours.

Now we have no live feed we can only base our assumptions on what the editors select to show us. This is my gripe with BB now as it is turning more into a scripted reality show rather than the game it should be. Housemates are given far too much input and tasks are designed to cause conflict. They always have to have their villains and their victim.

The public find their victim and then support them no matter what. In this case it is Gary. He can do no wrong despite the fact that, in the back of our minds, we know from evicted housemates etc that is not the case. Then his behaviour is excused because he is old, brain damaged etc etc. I think Mr Busey himself would be quite disappointed to find that he is being likened to some frail, senile old fool who needs a carer to look after him. I credit him with far more intelligence than that and happen to think he is very aware of what he is doing. It is quite obvious he speaks and behaves differently in the diary room to when he is around the other housemates.

For me I will be voting my winner based on who has entertained me the most in the house and no other reason.

Originally Posted by MrPing (Post 7257278)

James is someone who I would never associate myself with in the real world, But to call anyone else a bully is wrong, Gary should have been wearing underpants, I mean WTF lol :laugh: . Dee didn't actually react that badly to him getting nude, she just loudly said to James to 'sort it out' and then explained to him what was wrong which is completely fair. People are getting this mixed up with the much more volatile later argument, but are conveniently forgetting that Gary was at fault because he was (wrongly) convinced that Dee had called him bitter, when she had agreed the opposite that he was NOT bitter. BUT alas the people on here will forever be defending Gary.

Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 7257381)

This for me is where you make the mistake of assuming that fans of Gary think he can do no wrong. I think most Gary fans know he can be difficult to live with, i dont know many that have said otherwise. The main thing is the HM's are not tolerant of his hearing difficulty which he admitted himself must wear thin but the bitching & sometimes down right nasty comments made behind his back and too his face because he has either said or done something they do not approve of is awful. There is no need for them to be like that with him. As Edele said, when you are frustrated/annoyed Gary is the easy option to take it out on. He gets support because not only is he a great HM he is also been treated badly by people who should know better.

Originally Posted by Jules2 (Post 7257474)

Are you saying that James is a villain :cheer2: For me it isnt a case of Hero and Villain, it is a game and they have each played their part in there to entertain us. I think a lot just prefer Gary's "game" than James and vice versa, that is how it should be. I think if Gary were in pain he would have left long ago, the pain has been him knowing that all the HMs with the exception of Audley and now Lauren, are against him. He was told from the beginning that he was disliked by all but he is still there through his own self awareness and his positive thought. It is a truth that up until now, he has never said a thing against any of the HMs, if it is happening now he has done very well to last this long.

Originally Posted by karezza (Post 7258193)

Smelly Gary should go. The remaining housemates deserve a few days of fun without Mr Stinky spoiling it.