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arista 04-11-2014 05:12 PM

USA : Mother 'kills her autistic 6 year old son by chucking over a bridge
 
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/...off_a_brid.jpg


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/...off_a_brid.jpg
OK you found him to much
no need to murder him
let someone else take care of him

http://news.sky.com/story/1366547/mo...ld-from-bridge

Amy Jade 04-11-2014 05:12 PM

Evil.

Dollface 04-11-2014 05:16 PM

Omg :(

Ramsay 04-11-2014 05:20 PM

A nice wee shotgun to her kneecaps will do nicely

JoshBB 04-11-2014 05:57 PM

****ing bitch. i hope she gets all that's coming to her

Kazanne 04-11-2014 05:58 PM

disgusting excuse for a human being.

Livia 04-11-2014 06:39 PM

How awful... but this woman can't have been in her right mind. She must have been suffering from some kind of mental health issue. I can't believe someone could do that to a child without suffering some kind of breakdown.

AnnieK 04-11-2014 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7358774)
How awful... but this woman can't have been in her right mind. She must have been suffering from some kind of mental health issue. I can't believe someone could do that to a child without suffering some kind of breakdown.

I agree with this particularly as she phoned the emergency services from the bridge.

It is a heinous thing to do but something in me thinks she must have not have been of her right mind

Poor child

Livia 04-11-2014 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 7358781)
I agree with this particularly as she phoned the emergency services from the bridge.

It is a heinous thing to do but something in me thinks she must have. to been of her right mind

Poor child

And I read her husband also has MS which must have added to the pressure. In the photo the child looks well-dressed, comfortable, clean... not neglected. It's an awful thing to have happened but she must have just snapped. Poor little sod...

Kazanne 04-11-2014 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7358782)
And I read her husband also has MS which must have added to the pressure. In the photo the child looks well-dressed, comfortable, clean... not neglected. It's an awful thing to have happened but she must have just snapped. Poor little sod...

Having looked at this again and thought about it Livia,I see he is well cared for apparently,he looks happy and she has cared for him for 6 years,and it's a truly terrible thing to do I cant help but think she must have snapped,but how cruel.

Livia 04-11-2014 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 7358791)
Having looked at this again and thought about it Livia,I see he is well cared for apparently,he looks happy and she has cared for him for 6 years,and it's a truly terrible thing to do I cant help but think she must have snapped,but how cruel.

Yeah, it's a truly horrible thing to have happened. I hope it was quick for him.

Black Dagger 04-11-2014 08:34 PM

What an adorable boy :sad:

Nasty bitch, I am never usually blood thirsty but chuck her over one!

kirklancaster 04-11-2014 08:40 PM

It is horrific, but I agree with Livia, Anniek and Kazz that the child looked very healthy, happy, and well cared for, and in light of the other information regarding her husband, I also agree that as terrible as this is, she may deserve our pity.

Kizzy 05-11-2014 12:32 AM

Hmm, mentally afflicted I don't know if I feel as much sympathy for this woman as the psychopathic teenager if I'm honest.
Cases of infanticide have been discussed here before, I don't remember there being such a sympathetic response to this issue.

Tom4784 05-11-2014 12:48 AM

Hmm it seems like a case of the woman sadly snapping under the strain of it all. It's a difficult one, it's hard to imagine someone being capable of that but it's also not easy to condemn her completely as it seems like it was a momentary lapse in sanity bought on by her family's situation.

If only there was more help available to this family, I reckon this could have probably been avoided.

Heaven = Winner 05-11-2014 01:07 AM

Vile. Actually vile.

If she didn't feel like she was able to look after the child anymore, she could've easily put him up for adoption. There is no need whatsoever to kill that poor child.

Kizzy 05-11-2014 01:11 AM

Her family didn't have a situation her partner had MS, a totally manageable condition and her little boy was autistic 1000's are, there's no indication where on the autistic spectrum he was.

LikeABoatOnWater 05-11-2014 03:20 AM

This is like in Melbourne where the dad had an argument with his wife so took their 4 year old daughter and chucked her of the huge west gate bridge.

Ammi 05-11-2014 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 7359312)
Hmm it seems like a case of the woman sadly snapping under the strain of it all. It's a difficult one, it's hard to imagine someone being capable of that but it's also not easy to condemn her completely as it seems like it was a momentary lapse in sanity bought on by her family's situation.

If only there was more help available to this family, I reckon this could have probably been avoided.

..yeah I agree with this, it's hard to comment without knowing more of the story..it is hard to fathom how a mother could ever do something like this to her child but we don't know her mental health leading up to it or anything about her so I would be reluctant to condemn her...an extremely sad and tragic story....

Mystic Mock 05-11-2014 03:56 AM

Whoa what an ugly looking Mother.

Being serious if she felt like that she couldn't look after the child anymore then put him up for adoption, I think that he would've preferred that to being murdered by his Mother.

Also it doesn't matter if she used to care for him well, she still murdered him when there was other options that she could've took, I've got no sympathy for her tbh.

Mystic Mock 05-11-2014 03:56 AM

Whoa what an ugly looking Mother.

Being serious if she felt like that she couldn't look after the child anymore then put him up for adoption, I think that he would've preferred that to being murdered by his Mother.

Also it doesn't matter if she used to care for him well, she still murdered him when there was other options that she could've took, I've got no sympathy for her tbh.

Ammi 05-11-2014 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by The Mockinator (Post 7359330)
Whoa what an ugly looking Mother.

Being serious if she felt like that she couldn't look after the child anymore then put him up for adoption, I think that he would've preferred that to being murdered by his Mother.

Also it doesn't matter if she used to care for him well, she still murdered him when there was other options that she could've took, I've got no sympathy for her tbh.

..I do understand what you're saying Mock but that's all rational/logical thought from a healthy mind and that's something she may not have had..my thoughts are that she didn't and sadly, completely lost her coping abilities but it'll be interesting to know more with this story...

Creggle 05-11-2014 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 7359333)
..I do understand what you're saying Mock but that's all rational/logical thought from a healthy mind and that's something she may not have had..my thoughts are that she didn't and sadly, completely lost her coping abilities but it'll be interesting to know more with this story...

My toaster can be a right pain in the backside to get working in the mornings but I don't go and chuck it off a bridge, how can any mental state lead to somebody throwing their defenseless child off of one. I think this is an extreme action regardless of somebodies mental state, I think she's just evil deep down, and this was her enabler.

Ammi 05-11-2014 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Creggle (Post 7359339)
My toaster can be a right pain in the backside to get working in the mornings but I don't go and chuck it off a bridge, how can any mental state lead to somebody throwing their defenseless child off of one. I think this is an extreme action regardless of somebodies mental state, I think she's just evil deep down, and this was her enabler.

..possibly but that's something we don't know and of course it's an extreme action, how could it not be..but when we think about things, we think about them with a calm mind and not a mind of chaos and confusion and we have no idea what her mental health was/is..no, it doesn't make this any less horrific or shocking but I would be loathe to condemn her as just being a 'bad person' because I also think that in doing that..that in itself 'enables' for people in real crisis to not get the help that they need...'oh that's just an evil person, we don't need to address whether 'signs' were not identified/whether that person was getting support' etc....anyway, none of us know which is why I'll be interested in knowing more with this story...

Cherie 05-11-2014 07:36 AM

Strange case this, according to the article she started a fundraising FB page just days earlier, maybe she did snap, it's a pretty awful way to kill someone you love though. Similar to the case of the women who killed her 3 children a few months back in the UK, she is not being charged with their murder.

Kazanne 05-11-2014 07:51 AM

My first reaction was what a vile bitch,but with this one I think it's the picture of him looking so happy,clean and healthy,and being the age he was he was,one half of me thinks she should rot in hell,but also what Livia said could have something to do with why,but I do agree,people are crying out for kids,no need to kill him so cruelly and also what Kizzy said about MS and autism being manageable is a factor,she had managed for 6 years, hard to find any sympathy for her, if she felt that bad she should have just thrown herself over.

bots 05-11-2014 08:16 AM

I have no sympathy for her at all, she simply decided to get rid of something that had become an annoyance to her, that's not acceptable no matter the circumstances.

kirklancaster 05-11-2014 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 7359328)
..yeah I agree with this, it's hard to comment without knowing more of the story..it is hard to fathom how a mother could ever do something like this to her child but we don't know her mental health leading up to it or anything about her so I would be reluctant to condemn her...an extremely sad and tragic story....

I agree here Ammi.

It is totally incomprehensible to us how any mother could physically pick up her child and throw him from that bridge, but we are not her and have not walked in her shoes.

In am not condoning it, it is abhorrent, but she must have had a total mental and emotional breakdown, because this one tragic act would appear to 'fly-in-the-face' of all her previous known maternal behaviour concerning her child as far as we know currently.

Someone said that she should have put the child up for adoption if she knew she couldn't cope, but perhaps what was happening to her psychologically was on a subconscious level.

The brain is a billion times more complex than a computer, and is so finely balanced and fragile, that drugs and drink can alter the mind and lead to temporary 'insanity' (most irrational crimes are committed while under the influence of drink especially) so who knows what years of stress can do to a particular type of person; one who ignores it and stoically 'soldiers on', while all the time - on a subconscious level - the cumulative effects of such stress are building, silently eating away at her sanity, until some 'straw that breaks the camel's back' incident causes a totally sudden, devastating psychological melt-down?

Think about your laptop- it has got a virus. Most of us who switch it on one morning to find it 'acting up' even slightly, will run a scan and try to find out what's wrong. Yet there are some who will ignore it and keep using the laptop. The 'problems' may get worse over time, but still that person continues to ignore it and use the laptop. All the time that this machine is functioning, inside its very complex 'brain' the virus is growing, corrupting, until one day, the machine goes totally beserk.

We don't know, but what I do know; assuming that this woman was a previously caring mother, and assuming this was a breakdown, then she will live the rest of her life wracked by inconsolable grief and unbearable guilt.

If she was a callous murdering bitch, then I doubt for one moment whether one gram of remorse will trouble her.

I'll wait and see.

Livia 05-11-2014 11:25 AM

If she was a callous, murdering bitch then I doubt she'd have cared for the child for four years and started a campaign to help him. Nor would she have been bothered with a partner with MS - which contrary to an earlier post, is not a totally manageable condition, but one which means your body slowly deteriorates and you become more immobile and less independent as time goes on. I doubt we're going to hear she was a monster, but that she was mentally ill and under pressure no one on here really understands from reading one article and making up their minds.

user104658 05-11-2014 11:34 AM

The real tragedy here is that help and support just isn't available for so many families in this position. Not from the state, not from communities, not even from extended family in many cases, and people can become completely desperate and just snap. And then, inevitably, extended families, friends and neighbours are "shocked", "horrified", "outraged" that something like this could happen... but you can bet your life than when he was alive and when she was probably quite obviously in need of help, none of them wanted anything to do with "the weird kid" who was "a lot of work".

Cherie 05-11-2014 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 7359448)
The real tragedy here is that help and support just isn't available for so many families in this position. Not from the state, not from communities, not even from extended family in many cases, and people can become completely desperate and just snap. And then, inevitably, extended families, friends and neighbours are "shocked", "horrified", "outraged" that something like this could happen... but you can bet your life than when he was alive and when she was probably quite obviously in need of help, none of them wanted anything to do with "the weird kid" who was "a lot of work".


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Redway 05-11-2014 12:35 PM

I completely agree with Livia. And the people calling her ugly wouldn't be saying that if she didn't commit such an act so why bring her looks into it?

I'm not excusing her despicable actions by any stretch but I agree she probably had a severe mental illness and didn't actually set out to kill her son like that as if she was just a flat-out evil person... there's most likely a lot more to this story than originally meets the eye, IMO.

arista 05-11-2014 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Redway (Post 7359523)
I completely agree with Livia. And the people calling her ugly wouldn't be saying that if she didn't commit such an act so why bring her looks into it?

I'm not excusing her despicable actions by any stretch but I agree she probably had a severe mental illness and didn't actually set out to kill her son like that as if she was just a flat-out evil person... there's most likely a lot more to this story than originally meets the eye, IMO.


yes could be

T* 05-11-2014 02:47 PM

Throw her off the bridge, Poor excuse of a human being.

jackc1806 05-11-2014 02:58 PM

Always annoys me when people say they want to kill killers because then you are just as bad and offering the killer a relatively easy way out... How can you take the moral high ground after killing someone yourself? :shrug:

Anyway, obviously a sad and tragic event. The mother is obviously very wrong and what she did was awful and has ended in tragic circumstances. She needs mental help, furthermore the government should be doing more for people who are made to feel this way

Mystic Mock 05-11-2014 06:31 PM

Well people can take the moral high ground because they're not killing innocent people?

Mystic Mock 05-11-2014 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Redway (Post 7359523)
I completely agree with Livia. And the people calling her ugly wouldn't be saying that if she didn't commit such an act so why bring her looks into it?

I'm not excusing her despicable actions by any stretch but I agree she probably had a severe mental illness and didn't actually set out to kill her son like that as if she was just a flat-out evil person... there's most likely a lot more to this story than originally meets the eye, IMO.

I brought her looks into it to try and lighten up the mood, plus I'm just a bitch.:smile:

Tom4784 05-11-2014 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Mockinator (Post 7359945)
Well people can take the moral high ground because they're not killing innocent people?

A killer is a killer, the innocence or guilt of the person they've killed is irrelevant and can't be used as a justification to kill them.

Mystic Mock 05-11-2014 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 7359987)
A killer is a killer, the innocence or guilt of the person they've killed is irrelevant and can't be used as a justification to kill them.

I'm not saying not to punish vigilantes in terms of the law can't be seen to reward any type of murderer.

But anyone trying to claim that vigilantes are morally just as evil as a serial killer is seriously insane as at least vigilantes are thinking from a decent place, normal murderers kill for the most ridiculous of reasons most of the time.

user104658 05-11-2014 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 7359987)
A killer is a killer, the innocence or guilt of the person they've killed is irrelevant and can't be used as a justification to kill them.

I'm not sure I agree that a killer is just a killer, it would depend on the reason, for example if someone was trying to kill me (or even someone else) and the only way I could stop them was to bash their head with a brick... I wouldn't really have any problem in doing so. But that's different to a "revenge kill", I suppose.

That said, if someone killed one of my loved ones, I can't really say that I'm morally above revenge killing, either. Although I wouldn't attempt to take any sort of moral high ground. I just wouldn't care.


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