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Crimson Dynamo 07-11-2014 08:28 AM

Young Woman subjected to 108 catcalls during 10 hour walk through New York
 



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A small squat woman with a large butt walked for 10 hours silently thru NYC and secretly videoed all the comments


How do you feel about it. Some of the comments were polite some were Joey from Friends type comments and there was some blatant harassment.?

had she been with a man she would have got probably no comments and i would think because men are bigger and stronger than women they comment because they can and they fear no come back.

waterhog 07-11-2014 08:33 AM

i saw this - this was on the wrightsuff a few days back i think. it looks very frightening for the lady and seems horrid they have to take so much abuse. if the men were more polite and less threatening it would have made it a bit better but no lady should have to take that. i can see the point that woman sometimes ware things that are not appropriate but we are a free society.

my conclusion - more work on the men that feel they have to do this.

coffee 07-11-2014 08:50 AM

This is dumb but I actually cried watching this lol. Some people are so disgusting and I think everything it shows in the video was sexual harassment. People don't normally go out especially to find someone to talk to so why do random men feel the need to come and talk to women who are trying to go about their business? They wouldn't do it to other guys so why to women? Where I stay just now I go through what this woman does almost every day and it's ****ing sick. I honestly got to the point where I don't want to try look nice leaving the house anymore. I don't do my hair and make-up the way I would want to unless I'm leaving this town I'm in away from all the hideous perverts. I know it's stupid and I should be dressing how I want to but I honestly feel like I can't because I have creepy guys following me to my building main door sometimes telling me to "smile" or saying "I love you my sweet darling come can I come in?" I have had it from guys of all ages. The worst are the ones similar to my age, who I have actually been physically grabbed and had to push off of me and tried to slam my door closed because this evil perverted guy was trying to push it open and get into my building! I don't know if it's just the area I live in because back in Glasgow it's not as extreme as it is in Morden (where I am now) but I honestly fear for my life just walking the streets and having some random guy say "how are you?" as he walks by me. Because why is she asking? Why does he care? He doesn't know me and I don't know him so don't talk to me I didn't leave my house to talk to anybody but the maybe the shop keeper who will be selling me my milk in the morning and I don't even wanna talk to that person either. I feel like this post is messy but talking about sexual harassment melts my brain I have had so many horrifying encounters of it just like many other women and people just think "haha, boys will be boys LOL!" no... **** off.

MTVN 07-11-2014 09:03 AM

It is quite bad and there were some people being very creepy but I think it's a bit misleading to say it was 108 cases of harassment, are people saying "what's up beautiful, have a good day", "how are you this morning" and "have a nice evening" really harassing her?

Crimson Dynamo 07-11-2014 09:04 AM

It seems from the video that most of the comments came from black or brown skinned people?

perhaps that is because of the areas walked or perhaps of the way the woman looked?

coffee 07-11-2014 09:06 AM

http://www.bustle.com/articles/46527...tly-we-need-to

Crimson Dynamo 07-11-2014 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coffee (Post 7361905)

a link to a random persons opinion is not really that helpful

coffee 07-11-2014 09:15 AM

If you are female I find it hard to believe that you don't agree with it though. Talking to a woman you don't know in the street is sometimes terrifying for her even if it is just asking about her day.

Amy Jade 07-11-2014 09:19 AM

Some were just being friendly, I'm not denying it's because she's pretty because it likely is...but I don't think the people saying morning/evening were fine. I say hello back if I get spoken to in the street.

The one who followed in silence and the one asking if he was ugly were weird though.

MTVN 07-11-2014 09:21 AM

I dunno, that article seems to draw quite extreme conclusions from relatively innocuous acts like:

Quote:

Men often think they’re doing you a favor by telling a woman to “smile” in the street. But guess what? A woman can do anything she well pleases with her facial expression, whenever she wants. Women NEVER tell other women to smile in the street. They never tell men to do it either. That’s because there’s an inherent dynamic within our culture that (even subconsciously) makes men believe:

A woman’s autonomy exists only in so far as she is pleasing to male proclivities, at which point…

…as the ultimate owner of the female body, the man is within his rights to dictate to her how she should be conducting herself within it.

Because of this dynamic, being told simply to “smile” is harassment that reinforces this anachronistic power structure, leading women to feel out of control, and potentially in danger.
Seems like over-analytical jargon. As do the conclusions from an appearance based compliment:

Quote:

Her worth is only valued at her ability to adhere to rigid, culturally imposed beauty standards.

She is an object and therefore cannot reasonably be expected to be treated with the respect of a full human.

The man “complimenting” her feels entitled to look at her, judge how she looks, force that judgment onto her, forcing her to internalize his view of herself.

And if he feels entitled to her in those ways, where does it stop? Where is the line of entitlement drawn? Maybe that’s as far as it goes with this one person. But how does the woman know? How does she know that he doesn’t feel equally entitled to have sex with her or beat her or kill her, as some men do feel entitled to do to women? The point is: She does not know. And that is why it is threatening.
Makes out that the natural reaction to being told you're beautiful is to fear that you're going to be raped or murdered. Kinda depressing.

Kyle 07-11-2014 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coffee (Post 7361909)
Talking to a woman you don't know in the street is sometimes terrifying for her even if it is just asking about her day.

I talk to anyone I don't know in the street, it's called being nice. If I say hi to a woman I walk past or make a joke at a bus stop about the bus not turning up and she decides in her head that I'm going to ravish her in the bushes it's her problem not mine.

coffee 07-11-2014 09:27 AM

But who wants to be told by strangers that they're beautiful? I want my friends, family and boy/girlfriend to tell me I'm beautiful not someone I don't know what his intentions really are. Thats all just my opinion anyway.

coffee 07-11-2014 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle (Post 7361916)
I talk to anyone I don't know in the street, it's called being nice. If I say hi to a woman I walk past or make a joke at a bus stop about the bus not turning up and she decides in her head that I'm going to ravish her in the bushes it's her problem not mine.

Well if you don't have that rapey look in your eyes or voice and keep your distance you will mostly get a reply obviously. You can just tell when someone is being dodgy.

Kyle 07-11-2014 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coffee (Post 7361920)
Well if you don't have that rapey look in your eyes or voice and keep your distance you will mostly get a reply obviously. You can just tell when someone is being dodgy.

Maybe you want to change your original statement then to "talking to a woman on the street is sometimes terrifying for her when you are a hulking rapist lookalike even if it's just asking her about her day."

Crimson Dynamo 07-11-2014 09:37 AM

I am sure if an attractive man (to the woman concerned) paid her a compliment that would be acceptable but if some fat fecker said it it would not

Niamh. 07-11-2014 09:38 AM

There is a difference between striking up a conversation with someone as you stand at a bus stop and shouting things at someone as they're walking by, going about their business

coffee 07-11-2014 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7361930)
I am sure if an attractive man (to the woman concerned) paid her a compliment that would be acceptable but if some fat fecker said it it would not

Attractive or not, if he gets too close or uses creepy bedroom eyes/voice then it's not okay. :nono:

Kyle 07-11-2014 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7361932)
There is a difference between striking up a conversation with someone as you stand at a bus stop and shouting things at someone as they're walking by, going about their business

Did you see the statement I quoted or have you just assumed I was talking about the people in the video?

Niamh. 07-11-2014 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle (Post 7361934)
Did you see the statement I quoted or have you just assumed I was talking about the people in the video?

Yes I did, I was giving my opinion on what you said about talking to people at bus stops etc though

arista 07-11-2014 10:27 AM

Yes been debated all over TV News
here and America
the Git that walks with her
is the problem

Amy Jade 07-11-2014 10:28 AM

I know girls who suck guys off in bus stops so striking up an innocent convo is tame tbh.

Niamh. 07-11-2014 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 7361945)
Yes been debated all over TV News
here and America
the Git that walks with her
is the problem

Yeah, that was very creepy and intimidating

arista 07-11-2014 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StupidHoe (Post 7361946)
I know girls who suck guys off in bus stops so striking up an innocent convo is tame tbh.



Do they make good Money?

Niamh. 07-11-2014 10:37 AM

:umm2:

user104658 07-11-2014 10:46 AM

A male model recreated this video and got just as many comments etc. as the girl in this video did (things like "Hey there, big guy!", "wow, that guys really hot!", one girl chasing after him to ask if "her friend" can have his number.

Is it harrassment? Maybe, but that's a different debate. It is clear, however, that if it is a problem, its a problem across the board and NOT a "feminist issue". Just another issue that's been hijacked.

I mean... The other day I read through an entire feminist article about unrealistic portrayals of the female body in Disney films and how that makes women and girls feel about their normal bodies. This had all the usual "patriarchy", "making women ideal", boohoo nonsense that all of these articles do. Not a mention of men, at all. Furthermore, it focused HEAVILY on Belle in beauty and the beast in her ball gown and her tiny waist.

Ahem...

Gaston, the villain:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/...4099-gasto.jpg


:facepalm:. Yeah... And it's the unrealistic expectations of the female form that are the main problem.

Crimson Dynamo 07-11-2014 10:53 AM

i feel i need to get a perspective from

The Truth

Brother Leon 07-11-2014 11:40 AM

Have a good evening people. :)

Ninastar 08-11-2014 01:07 PM

this whole experiment has only had such a crazy reaction because people believe EVERYTHING they read on the internet...

"You look nice today, Ms"

SEXUAL HARRASMENT!!! CANT YOU SEE HOW MEN THINK THEY CAN TREAT WOMEN LIKE A PIECE OF CRAP!!??? SOCIETY HATEs WOMEN!!!

Yes, you get the odd creeps who say the strange and weird thing... but that has nothing to do with men thinking they r betta then women...

Creggle 08-11-2014 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 7361952)
A male model recreated this video and got just as many comments etc. as the girl in this video did (things like "Hey there, big guy!", "wow, that guys really hot!", one girl chasing after him to ask if "her friend" can have his number.

Is it harrassment? Maybe, but that's a different debate. It is clear, however, that if it is a problem, its a problem across the board and NOT a "feminist issue". Just another issue that's been hijacked.

I mean... The other day I read through an entire feminist article about unrealistic portrayals of the female body in Disney films and how that makes women and girls feel about their normal bodies. This had all the usual "patriarchy", "making women ideal", boohoo nonsense that all of these articles do. Not a mention of men, at all. Furthermore, it focused HEAVILY on Belle in beauty and the beast in her ball gown and her tiny waist.

Ahem...

Gaston, the villain:

[img] http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/...4099-gasto.jpg[/im


:facepalm:. Yeah... And it's the unrealistic expectations of the female form that are the main problem.

A godlike post tbh :clap2:

Have to agree with the hijacking of issues by 'feminists' that aren't much different for men. When you're striving for solidarity and strength in a gender, it isn't the best idea to try and stamp out 'issues' they have that men do to, because it just makes women look weak. :worry:

Also, the majority of the stuff in that video is far far far from harassment, with the exception of one or two guys. Most of them were polite and you'd have to have personal issues, male or female, if compliments from strangers in these sort of situations made you feel awkward. I bet the woman in the video was pretty :flutter: inside from alot of the comments tbh. :laugh:

Northern Monkey 08-11-2014 01:31 PM

What Toy Soldier said.He pretty much nailed it.Look at all the aftershave ads with ripped 6 packs everywhere,Women comment on men in the street all the time.It's 'a problem across the board' and 'NOT a femenist issue' as TS said.A human problem not a femenist problem.Imo.

lily. 08-11-2014 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 7361903)
It is quite bad and there were some people being very creepy but I think it's a bit misleading to say it was 108 cases of harassment, are people saying "what's up beautiful, have a good day", "how are you this morning" and "have a nice evening" really harassing her?

I agree.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle (Post 7361916)
I talk to anyone I don't know in the street, it's called being nice. If I say hi to a woman I walk past or make a joke at a bus stop about the bus not turning up and she decides in her head that I'm going to ravish her in the bushes it's her problem not mine.

I talk to people all the time. Guys talk to me all the time. I don't take it as sexual harassment in the slightest.

Shaun 08-11-2014 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 7361952)
I mean... The other day I read through an entire feminist article about unrealistic portrayals of the female body in Disney films and how that makes women and girls feel about their normal bodies. This had all the usual "patriarchy", "making women ideal", boohoo nonsense that all of these articles do. Not a mention of men, at all. Furthermore, it focused HEAVILY on Belle in beauty and the beast in her ball gown and her tiny waist.

Ahem...

Gaston, the villain:

[obnoxiously massive picture here]

:facepalm:. Yeah... And it's the unrealistic expectations of the female form that are the main problem.

He's the villain... in what way is he therefore an ideal for men?

If anything you've chosen the worst possible example since the hero is the Beast, a character designed to be loveable in spite of his appearance :laugh: I could understand if you pointed out the ridiculous abs&pecs of Batman/Superman/Captain America etc :p

Creggle 08-11-2014 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul (Post 7363332)
.A human problem not a femenist problem.Imo.

Aren't they the same thing though? Very few feminists have any sort of agenda other than 'women should be sacred and treated better than men' hence why crap like this is floating around the internet.

Northern Monkey 08-11-2014 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Creggle (Post 7363346)
Aren't they the same thing though? Very few feminists have any sort of agenda other than 'women should be sacred and treated better than men' hence why crap like this is floating around the internet.

Personally i don't see complementing another person as a problem at all.What i was saying is that if it is a problem then it's a problem that women and men face,Not just women.The femenists who think that it is an issue to be complemented seem to believe that it only happens to women.

Creggle 08-11-2014 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul (Post 7363356)
Personally i don't see complementing another person as a problem at all.What i was saying is that if it is a problem then it's a problem that women and men face,Not just women.

I know I was agreeing with you :laugh:

Northern Monkey 08-11-2014 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Creggle (Post 7363359)
I know I was agreeing with you :laugh:

:laugh:

Ammi 09-11-2014 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 7361952)
A male model recreated this video and got just as many comments etc. as the girl in this video did (things like "Hey there, big guy!", "wow, that guys really hot!", one girl chasing after him to ask if "her friend" can have his number.

Is it harrassment? Maybe, but that's a different debate. It is clear, however, that if it is a problem, its a problem across the board and NOT a "feminist issue". Just another issue that's been hijacked.

I mean... The other day I read through an entire feminist article about unrealistic portrayals of the female body in Disney films and how that makes women and girls feel about their normal bodies. This had all the usual "patriarchy", "making women ideal", boohoo nonsense that all of these articles do. Not a mention of men, at all. Furthermore, it focused HEAVILY on Belle in beauty and the beast in her ball gown and her tiny waist.

Ahem...

Gaston, the villain:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/...4099-gasto.jpg


:facepalm:. Yeah... And it's the unrealistic expectations of the female form that are the main problem.

..I was just about to post the same, I saw that vid as well and I don't think this is a typical female thing but something that can be experienced by both sexes..

kirklancaster 09-11-2014 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StupidHoe (Post 7361946)
I know girls who suck guys off in bus stops so striking up an innocent convo is tame tbh.

Disgusting! Filthy. Outrageous. Shameful. Vile. Immoral......

Er.... You don't happen to have these girls' phone numbers do you StupidHoe? I have several buses to catch next week....:hehe:

user104658 09-11-2014 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 7363341)
He's the villain... in what way is he therefore an ideal for men?

If anything you've chosen the worst possible example since the hero is the Beast, a character designed to be loveable in spite of his appearance :laugh: I could understand if you pointed out the ridiculous abs&pecs of Batman/Superman/Captain America etc :p

It's about physique, doesn't really matter that he's the villain. The Beast in human form is also square jawed and well built and that's a common theme in Disney "princes" and heroes... Tiny lower body, ridiculously wide shoulders and huge arms, chiselled features and jaw. You're right about comic book heroes but I don't think it's quite as much of a problem (for males or females) when the characters are "superpowered", like Captain America or Wolverine, or Superman at the extreme end. There's a reality disconnect there as they're not "supposed to be normal humans", whereas a lot of these other characters - although being cartoons - are nonetheless still just 'people".

Also, as mentioned above, just take a look at male underwear models / aftershave adverts / clothing catalogues and tell me that men in comparison to women aren't objectified, or that males are handed realistic expectations of what their bodies should look like in order to get the ladies all hot and bothered.

There's a massive double standard here, and it's not to the detriment of women.

I'm a straight white male. As far as the Internet is concerned - I am the Devil incarnate, free game for mocking, accusing and criticising... And woe betide me should I dare (from my apparent positiin of privilege) to complain about it. That's the elephant in the room when it comes to discussing the various "- isms" .

thesheriff443 09-11-2014 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 7364650)
Disgusting! Filthy. Outrageous. Shameful. Vile. Immoral......

Er.... You don't happen to have these girls' phone numbers do you StupidHoe? I have several buses to catch next week....:hehe:

you will catch more than a bus:hehe:


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