'White Jihadi' pictured with Isis
 

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/...9598113162.jpg
Its been reported he choose Isis over University


What a waste of Life.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...S-instead.html

wtf :/

There are loners
that are lost in life
and look at Isis as a new love

Its common
Worldwide


His Mother will be shocked at the photo
and is he still alive?

he looks like a stoner...

he'll be killed by them for one reason or another soon enough.

No they will put him on the Front line
so one of Our Air Bombs could take his life
Ironic

:umm2:

bet he's loving life

What a wanker.Deserves everything he gets.

Impossible! Terrorism is genetic and only affects brown monsters, not white humans.

Don't think anyone's implying that. ISIL is a Middle East organisation and it's rare to see white monsters fighting alongside the brown monsters is all. I think history shows us that there have been plenty of white monsters, in fact they're overrepresented in the monster stakes.

Gurl the only thing he's terrorising is his own hair.

What kind of inbred teas

It's really sad, he looks like the type of boy who should be learning how skateboard.

He probably thought he would get all the pussy he wants. Islam probably appeals to kids like this because they can't get a girlfriend and they think in Islam they will be given a child wife.

The true irony in your attempt at sarcasm T.S., is that - once again - you are deliberately misquoting what I said in my many posts on this subject, the last of which I reproduce below:

[U]'Gunman takes hostages in Sydney cafe'[/U] 18-12-2014, 02:01 PM

"First of all T.S. you are once again starting to argue from a completely false premise because I have already stated - at length - that not all terrorists are 'psychopaths' who were simply 'born wrong', and I am not going to keep repeating myself to defend myself against false argument for argument's sake."

You elected to 'exit' that particular 'debate' without answering the above lengthy post, so please now have the grace not to continue to attempt to ridicule me by misquoting what I said.

If you feel that my post above did not satisfactorily resolve our 'difference of opinion', then you should rejoin that particular thread with yet another 'counter argument' - not petulantly continue to misquote me in other posts on other threads.

By the rather 'effeminate' look of him, and given the sexual proclavity of most of his new 'compadres', I will wager that they will all end up using him for a very different kind of 'active service' and he'll certainly 'get everything he deserves' - and more.

That old song; 'My White Bicycle' comes to mind.

Let's hope one of our bullets soon finds him.

..it's a really disturbing picture, it brings it home just how young some of ISIS are and how they're becoming brain-washed with hate...

Whereas what? Asian teenagers just "look right" with an ak47 and a bandana, and look like they should be learning hatred 101 and advanced vest bombing?

Oh, and how to rape pretty little white boys. Apparently.

I am totally serious here: why is it any more shocking to see a young white man caught up in extremism than it is to see ANY young man caught up in extremism? Supposing, of course, that we do reject ridiculous notions like genetic predisposition towards terrorism. Which we should. Vocally. No matter how hard certain proponents of such a concept might try to backpeddle.

..I don't think that was meant at all, TS...I think it was just a comment made because of his youth ..it's something that hit me with the pic for all 3 of them and I guess that's mainly because quite often the faces are hidden so age isn't so apparent...and I'm sure that GG, as I do, finds that very upsetting and disturbing..the 'skateboard' thing just to me feels like a comment to show the contrast of what we would think would be part of a teenage life and not the hate of ISIS..


..EDIT:..also it was the white 'jihadi' that was the focus of the thread as well, so nothing really meant by a comment focused on him is how I saw it...

..may be a fake pic..?...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...S-instead.html

LMAO - You are the one misquoting others in order to cover up fatal flaws in your very weak argument - not me, and you have resorted to childish skits instead of properly addressing my last post on the 'Gunman takes hostages in Sydney cafe' thread, which you completely avoided. So who is 'backpedaling'?

Come let us debate and discuss like sensible informed adults.

:laugh2:

My god he looks 14 if he's a day! I hope it is a fake pic :(

Emo going through his jihad phase?

I don't think anything was meant by it at all but I do think it's illustrative of something that's really quite evident, and I don't think there's much point in avoiding: people are shocked because he's young and white, not because he's young. People struggle to get their heads around it because he looks like the boy next door, and therefore can't be dismissed as some "foreign devil, not like us". Which has been a big theme for me in these threads recently... People having a constant struggle with cognitive dissonance relating to war / terrorism.

People are surprised because he's young, he's white and he's joined up with ISIL. Which is an Islamic organisation in the Middle East. There aren't many white people fighting with ISIL. That's why people are surprised.

IRA terrorists were predominantly white, Baader Meinhof terrorists were predominantly white... ISIL are predominantly Arab/Middle Eastern or whichever cultural pigeonhole you'd like to place them... but whichever way you twist it there aren't many white kids. So really, no one's struggling to get their heads around anything, they're right to be surprised. Doesn't mean people struggle with cognitive dissonance or anything else.

@Toy Soldier

Both Ammi & Livia have articulated it better than I could have.

There is no cognitive dissonance going on inside my head when it comes to this. I fully accept that someone can be born a citizen of one country and follow this extremist muslim doctrine.

I find it more worrying that you aren't shocked by it. If the photo is true, then it shows this evilness is spreading.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ter-user-claim

This story was an internet troll by the guy. UCAS deadline isn't even until 15th January, lol. Way to go daily mail.

LOL!So i assume the kid did'nt give permission for his face to be used?

Or is that just what he WANTS us to think....

Oh, what a hilarious prank :rolleyes:

..honestly TS, I just don't get it/don't see it as you do at all...for young people, any of the three young men in that pic to be so easily indoctrinated into 'hate' and into a total lack of any empathy for human life is extremely shocking, how could the belief of such extremism not shock...

:clap1: Well said Goth -- Just be careful about using words like 'Evil' to describe these terrorist scum, because T.S will be accusing you of 'mysticism' or worse.

:clap1: Exactly Ammi. It is the ability not to be shocked by extremism and the inability to condemn that extremism which I find shocking.:shrug:

Thanks Kirk :love:

But I think evil is one of the few apt words to describe this group. I really feel that anyone who defends them, just doesn't know what they do and doesn't understand what they are capable.

A person can be anti-american, or against their policies in the world, or against the west or whatever, but that doesn't mean they should harbor some support for ISIL.

Well, I agree that it's shocking in that there are people out there who, at some point down the line, want to covert young people to such cold hatred (the "head of the snake" so to speak), although as a psychologist I certainly don't find it shocking that such is possible, because the human mind is fragile and easily twisted and nor do I find their youth shocking because young minds are even more fragile. The older you get, the more rigid your thought processes become, and the harder you become to indoctrinate. Very young children are exceptionally easy to "mould", which is the basic premise of all hereditary religion. Teenagers and young adults are often still ideologically confused and the right pushing in the right places can completely warp them philosophically and morally.

Like I said, it is horrific and it is shocking that there are people who want to. Despite Kirk's inference (and after, with hypocrisy, suggesting that I have misquoted HIM), I am horrified by terrorism and absolutely condemn it. I don't think these warped young minds can be fixed, or at the very least I think it would be dangerous and realistically not possible to even try on such a scale, and perhaps I can conceded that they are "monsters" insofar as monsters can be created by people with selfish agendas.

Tl;Dr - does it shock me that there are people who set out to create monsters? Yes. Does it shock me that young people can readily be twisted into those monsters? Absolutely not.



ANYWAY - my argument remains. I personally find it equally shocking no matter the skin colour of the young person, but it's evident that most people don't. Not even necessarily on this thread / forum (although as I said, recent threads with assertions of genetic barbarism...) but in general, isn't it evident? Isn't it evident with this story (hoax or not) being major news at all? Does every young "brown" British IS convert spark news stories, debate threads and daily mail hysteria? No. Because people expect that. They can accept that. They can squirrel it away in their mind along with all of the other "foreign folks terrorism stuff in dusty places", say how awful it is, and largely not think about it too much. Some might suggest it as a reason that "these people shouldn't be in our country in the first place!!", etc. That becomes more difficult when the convert being paraded is "little Johnny Edwards from just down th'Road he were always a quiet chap". It destroys that comfort zone and increases the "OMG factor" tenfold for MANY people. There's a reason for that, and in my opinion, it's the same reason that a lot of people find themselves insistent that most if not all extremists are in some way "born wrong", inherently "not normal folks" psychologically, by their very nature. It's because they simply don't want to believe that, but for certain historical twists of fate, these monsters could be their children / nieces / nephews or the teenage boys they see skating past the window every day.

..apologies that I only have time atm to skim read your post so I will come back to it and read it through properly a bit later...


..anyway, just for now...I don't know if you've read about the young Syrian boy who 'escaped' ISIS..?...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...t-blow-up.html


..the methods obviously used to 'create evil' is largely fear...fear for their families and themselves, that if they don't themselves be part of the atrocities/part of the murders/part of the tortures/do what is asked of them.. then they themselves as well as their families will become victims..will become the ones who are tortured and killed...their mothers and sisters raped etc..?...so with the 'white jihadi'..?...there was no such fear instilled, there were not the same methods of brainwashing used/there was not that 'indoctrination' that the young Syrian boy tells of..(we presume, although I think it's all actually fake..)..but that was what the story led us to presume...that there was no threat to him/his family...he lived in no fear in his life....so would that not naturally provoke a greater shock..that he would be part of these inhuman acts?..that has nothing to do with his appearance at all.....

..what I'm trying to say TS..(and probably really badly..)..is that you cannot compare a situation of....'we have your family hostage/we will torture, rape and kill them unless you kill/torture for us...'..we can all at least understand how that psychology works..?...as opposed to someone who would torture and kill without any of those threats to them being real, who would voluntarily be part of what ISIS do because they have no 'cause' other than hate ...surely that is more shocking....because it's so much harder to understand....

Idk.I think maybe it's seen as more shocking because he was probably not brought up as a Muslim(as white British kids usually are'nt).When a kid of Pakistan/Arab herritage and a Muslim background turns toward groups such as ISIS,They're already part way there.These terrorist ideolgies are'nt as much of a leap since the basis for what they believe has its foundations in Islam.For a non religious or a Christian or Jewish or whatever white kid to be converted not only to Islam but this extreme version of Islam just lets us know that these terrorists can get to any of our kids.(Even though the story turned out fake anyway).Simple fact is.This is a Muslim based ideology and it is usually Muslims(who just happen to not be white) that turn to this.

Fear is a huge part of all indoctrination including most religions (fear of death, fear of hell, fear of oblivion, general fear of the unknown) and I don't doubt that there are many and varied methods used in the initial recruitment process. Some will be afraid, some taken by force, others seeking glory or hungry for power, some genuinely devout and following warped teachings, others simply lost and seeking direction, and taken under the Wings of the wrong people. The last of those I think would apply to Mr Edwards, were he real. Regardless, I think early on in the process many (if not most) of these kids probably find themselves in over their heads... A large part of the "monster creation" process being the gradual desensitisation to violence and atrocities that would come from witnessing such atrocities repeatedly. Perhaps, the boy in the linked article was simply "utilised" prematurely.

Anyway, it's not simply country of origin we're talking about here. People aren't surprised by British-born kids of middle eastern origin leaving to join IS. Well, it gets a mention, but hardly the media attention that something like this does... And why would they be fearful of the things mentioned any more than the white boy? And yet, people are not shocked in the same way...