'It's not racist, it's out-dated'
 

His comments from Loose Women.. Do you agree?

Poll incoming

:nono: his comments may be out dated accordng to him, but he js fully aware that it is racist now. He was warned by BB the first time so should have abstained the second time.

It's neither. It's inaccurate to use a Nigerian term on people who are not from Nigeria, but the feeling of insult is part of the psyche of the individual being insulted.

If people called me Frenchy, and I'm from England I am not insulted. My psyche is tolerant of the wording.

Its both TBH

Also the first time he used the word he was talking like he was talking to a slave which is highly racist

No i don't agree, as Smudgie said, he is fully aware of the connotations and the consequences he would receive if he used them

I think you should clarify which N word.

The N word he used.

He only used one N word Kizzy

He used 2 terms... ******, and negro. Hmmm negro is unfiltered interesting!

When did he use ******? Are sure about that? :shocked:

He didn't, he used the second term you've posted twice, both in different conversations.

I agree that it was outdated. The second time he was recalling a situation, word for word and thought if Frank Bruno hadn't minded, it was OK.

I would give him the benefit of the doubt there.

I am of an older generation, I have to correct my mother at times over her references, which were perfectly acceptable in her earlier life and are a no no now.

So many things are different and if you were brought up to think things were right or wrong then, only to find the total reverse is correct today, some older people need to know what is acceptable and need to be informed.

Who knows, many of the things we find acceptable today might not be the case in the future and we will have to modify our thoughts again.

I think what she means is what word did he use i think?

the one Emily(BB8) used or the other one

I think he said it first, and then For Frank Bruno used the unfiltered version.

No he used N***o both times

He said Negro not N***** and it wasn't filtered as it's not seen as an offensive term seemingly.

Na, he used the 'negro' term in both conversations

So if you knew which he used why did you ask?

No she's fully aware of what term he used :laugh:

I am not sure to be honest, but something seemed different about the Frank Bruno comment.

Oh i read it wrong :laugh:

Its literally the embodiment of racism. The people who are defending him in anyway are shameful.

The context in which he used the word the first time was worse but it was the same word, I'm 100% sure of that

Yeah, it was the same word

The first time he said it was blatent racism 'fat negro'.The second time he said it he was relaying a conversation he had previously had so was not trying to offend anyone.However he knew it would get him kicked as he'd been previously warned about using the word.

Well said....I totally agree with you. The first time he used it he slipped into 'role play' with the accent etc.....although that doesn't make it acceptable.
But you are so right with the generation thing. My dad once used a word pointing out a team mate at my sons football match...it wasn't that bad but I didn't like him using it....it didn't seem right!!

Well it's outdated because it's now considered racially offensive, kinda silly of him to make out its two different issues

It has a very different history to the other N word though so I don't think they should be treated the same

Not exactly the same no but the way he used the word to Alexander made it as bad as the other N word

Does Ken think black people are subhuman, below white people?

No

Are the twitter generation just reacting to a word?

Yes


he is not a racist he just used a word that now people wet their pants about

big, big difference

He'd been warned about the word so for me I have no sympathy whether he was quoting in the 2nd instance. The fact he's now saying its outdated not racist also tells me that he knew exactly what he was doing and saying all along. I think he's making it worse with this bullshi*t and I'm having less sympathy the more I hear.

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...I don't think that his age is any excuse at all, there have been many older housemates on BB and also on other reality shows who have never said the things that Ken has said because they know it's completely disrespectful to do so...

I wasnt saying it was an excuse, a reason more like.

The outside world is not all PC at times and he used the word recounting a situation, where it was used and not found unacceptable by Frank Bruno quite some time ago.

Times have changed

..I hadn't actually seen your post, Poppy but was commenting on the thread title...I have read it now though and yeah times have changed but not to the extent that it was even that widely used or acceptable 'back in the day' in my own personal experience...the terms that Ken has used have always been seen as derogatory...

I had this debate with my mum and dad the other day.

We were all shocked by what Ken said, but my mum began to explain how back when she was a child it was perfectly acceptable to use the term 'coloured'. I started arguing that regardless of whether it was okay to use that word in the 70's or now the connotations behind it are exactly the same, and it should never be deemed as an 'acceptable' term.

I feel the same way in this instance. Of course Ken has a point that the word is outdated, but that's because people are becoming more aware of what offends people. The word Ken said offended Alexander in this day of age, and would have offended black people years ago too.

its Spanish for black and he didn't call anyone the word it was just used as part of a conversation

Yeah because Ken's fluent in Spanish

He'd already been warned but still uses the word. BB had no option.

utter drivel. he wasn't name calling anyone it was merely a word he used within the context of a conversation. try being perfectly pc 24 hours a day, women can say what they like or do what they like as weve seen with denise welch pulling down girls underwear and hitting Michael madsen in the face or chloe biting an old mans ears....