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Niamh. 05-03-2015 01:06 PM

Irish Printer refuses to print wedding invitations for gay couple
 
Jonathon Brennan (29), from Drogheda, Co Louth, said he was “infuriated and shocked” when the owner of local printers, Beulah Print & Design, told him they would not do business with him because “we don’t agree with homosexuality”.

The salon owner, who will become civil partnered to his boyfriend of eight years, John Kierans (35), in August, said he had been doing business with the printers for four years before the refusal.

Mr Brennan told the Irish Independent: “It came to the time that we were to organise getting our invitations printed for our ceremony. I contacted the printers, because they know me, and they’ve done some work for me before, and I was quite happy with their work.”

He said the co-owner, Noel Tuite, initially agreed to print the invitations, but when he visited Mr Brennan’s salon yesterday afternoon, it became apparent that he had changed his mind.

“He said, ‘Myself and my business partner are devout Christians. We don’t believe in gay marriage, and we don’t agree with homosexuality. So in this instance, there’s a conflict of interest, and we won’t be able to do business with you.’

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“I was shocked. I didn’t know what was going to come out of his mouth. He said it would be the same instance if somebody came in and they wanted to get a picture of a nude woman printed. We wouldn’t be able to do that either.

“I said, ‘I wish I had been aware of your conflicts of interest four years ago before I started doing business with you.’ He went to shake my hand, but I wouldn’t shake it, and he left. I was just infuriated by this, and shocked, that this was the attitude from a local businessman. Not in my adult life have I ever experienced anything like this.”

Mr Brennan added: “The gay marriage referendum is coming up, and it’s not an open and shut case. A lot of the younger generation would believe that gay people should be entitled to get married. But not everybody thinks that way. I feel it is important to highlight that.”

This morning Beulah Print released a statement outlining why it took the decision.

It said: We, at Beulah Print, are Bible-believing Christians who are committed to standing by our conscience and God’s Word.

“We have never hidden our faith from our customers and represent the gospel at every opportunity. We are not against homosexuals however, we do not support same sex marriage, which printing wedding invitations would do.

“We believe the love of God is extended to all people and that He has called us all to walk in the light of His word, for He is the way, the truth and the life.”

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-31043312.html

Black Dagger 05-03-2015 01:09 PM

Hope he goes out of business

Niamh. 05-03-2015 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by _LucasMichael_ (Post 7626725)
Hope he goes out of business

well he's getting a load of ****ty publicity today, all the radio stations are talking about it

T* 05-03-2015 01:14 PM

what a scummy twat
hope karma ****s him up big style

Crimson Dynamo 05-03-2015 01:17 PM

Chapters 18 and 20 of Leviticus, which form part of the Holiness code and list prohibited forms of intercourse, contain the following verses:

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."


Paul the Apostle wrote in the First Epistle to the Corinthians,


“ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."


So the printers are correct as Bible believing Christians to abhor homosexuality as it says so it their instruction manual

Jessica. 05-03-2015 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7626727)
well he's getting a load of ****ty publicity today, all the radio stations are talking about it

I saw a few posts about it on fb already by noon, it's ridiculous, they should just report the business for discrimination and then forget about it. :bored:

Niamh. 05-03-2015 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 7626739)
I saw a few posts about it on fb already by noon, it's ridiculous, they should just report the business for discrimination and then forget about it. :bored:

They're talking about it on 4fm now on the Niall Boylan show

Jessica. 05-03-2015 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7626743)
They're talking about it on 4fm now on the Niall Boylan show

Typical :joker:

Niamh. 05-03-2015 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 7626752)
Typical :joker:

lol he's slaughtering anyone who's backing the printers up :laugh: He's my guilty pleasure

Niamh. 05-03-2015 01:26 PM

He just asked someone "How do you know Jesus wasn't gay?" :hehe:

Shaun 05-03-2015 01:29 PM

If he wants to lose business then go for it...

Niamh. 05-03-2015 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 7626760)
If he wants to lose business then go for it...

and this guy owns a hairdressers and had been a customer of his for 4 years........idiot

Jessica. 05-03-2015 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7626757)
He just asked someone "How do you know Jesus wasn't gay?" :hehe:

:joker: he asks the most outrageous questions. Jesus could very well have been gay. He might have been Mary Magdalene's gay best friend.

Niamh. 05-03-2015 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 7626767)
:joker: he asks the most outrageous questions. Jesus could very well have been gay. He might have been Mary Magdalene's gay best friend.

Well he was asking this guy and he said who was he with so, we never saw him with anyone, knowing that he wouldn't say Mary Magdalene because of course the church have to deny that he could have been married to her lol, he said for all you know he could have been secretly meeting up with Judas :laugh:

Crimson Dynamo 05-03-2015 01:35 PM

if I printer refused my business I would say

"dont you take that tone with me"

:fan:

Jessica. 05-03-2015 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7626769)
Well he was asking this guy and he said who was he with so, we never saw him with anyone, knowing that he wouldn't say Mary Magdalene because of course the church have to deny that he could have been married to her lol, he said for all you know he could have been secretly meeting up with Judas :laugh:

They did have a kiss once or twice, there's proof of that, funny how nobody around them though it was strange. :wink:

Niamh. 05-03-2015 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7626771)
if I printer refused my business I would say

"dont you take that tone with me"

:fan:

:laugh:

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Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 7626773)
They did have a kiss once or twice, there's proof of that, funny how nobody around them though it was strange. :wink:

There you go then :smug:

Kizzy 05-03-2015 02:02 PM

Religious people ...In Ireland?... nah.

I'm surprised this hasn't happened before, if his thinking is due to his religious beliefs then he's entitled I guess.

Niamh. 05-03-2015 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7626811)
Religious people ...In Ireland?... nah.

I'm surprised this hasn't happened before, if his thinking is due to his religious beliefs then he's entitled I guess.

People in Ireland aren't that religious anymore really, the change in such a short few years has been massive.

What about if his religious beliefs told him that he couldn't do business with black people, would you think he'd still be entitled?

Livia 05-03-2015 02:05 PM

I don't see why someone should get shtick for their religious beliefs. Some of the comments on here are terrible... if they'd been directed at gay people there would, quite rightly, be hell on.

Niamh. 05-03-2015 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7626814)
I don't see why someone should get shtick for their religious beliefs. Some of the comments on here are terrible... if they'd been directed at gay people there would, quite rightly, be hell on.

I disagree. The man is a disgrace, discriminating against and humiliating that man because of who he chooses to spend his life with.

Liam- 05-03-2015 02:08 PM

As much as it was a ****ty thing for him to do.. in the grand scheme of things, it's his business, so who can choose to serve and not serve whoever he sees fit, his beliefs are his and he's fully entitled to have them.

Crimson Dynamo 05-03-2015 02:10 PM

this is why we have laws however to stop people just making up rules as they see fit

Kizzy 05-03-2015 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7626813)
People in Ireland aren't that religious anymore really, the change in such a short few years has been massive.

What about if his religious beliefs told him that he couldn't do business with black people, would you think he'd still be entitled?


Does the bible say that, if not it's not really comparable is it?

Kizzy 05-03-2015 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7626821)
this is why we have laws however to stop people just making up rules as they see fit

We don't have those laws... We have hate laws they have NOTHING to do with religious interpretation.

Livia 05-03-2015 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7626817)
I disagree. The man is a disgrace, discriminating against and humiliating that man because of who he chooses to spend his life with.

And then the man going off and making a massive issue out of it that could end the bloke's business and put people out of work.

And I say this as someone who believes you should live your life in the happiest way possible, whoever you are, whatever your sexual pursuasian... and whether or not you're a Christian.

Niamh. 05-03-2015 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7626826)
Does the bible say that, if not it's not really comparable is it?

So basically no you would think discriminating against a black person would be wrong then but gay people are fair game? Interesting :think:

Niamh. 05-03-2015 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7626834)
And then the man going off and making a massive issue out of it that could end the bloke's business and put people out of work.

And I say this as someone who believes you should live your life in the happiest way possible, whoever you are, whatever your sexual pursuasian... and whether or not you're a Christian.

By telling the truth about how he was treated? That sounds like victim blaming :shrug:

Livia 05-03-2015 02:18 PM

You're only disagreeing with me because I'm Jewish :fist:

Nedusa 05-03-2015 02:18 PM

The printing firm can decide who they do business with, it's as simple as that. It's nobody else's business how they decide on their customers.

Another non story blown up by the "gay brigade"....

Niamh. 05-03-2015 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7626838)
You're only disagreeing with me because I'm Jewish :fist:

True :idc:

Kizzy 05-03-2015 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7626836)
So basically no you would think discriminating against a black person would be wrong then but gay people are fair game? Interesting :think:

Nope never said that.

Niamh. 05-03-2015 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 7626839)
The printing firm can decide who they do business with, it's as simple as that. It's nobody else's business how they decide on their customers.

Another non story blown up by the "gay brigade"....

Well maybe not, there are anti discrimination laws over here and this guy had been a customer of his for 4 years already

Nedusa 05-03-2015 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7626771)
if I printer refused my business I would say

"dont you take that tone with me"

:fan:

:joker::joker:

Niamh. 05-03-2015 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7626841)
Nope never said that.

You never answered the question I asked though so that was the conclusion I came to from your side stepping

Livia 05-03-2015 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7626842)
Well maybe not, there are anti discrimination laws over here and this guy had been a customer of his for 4 years already

Do the anti-discrimination laws apply to Christians, or... not.

Marsh. 05-03-2015 02:21 PM

A gay hairdresser?! WTF????? D:

Kizzy 05-03-2015 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 7626839)
The printing firm can decide who they do business with, it's as simple as that. It's nobody else's business how they decide on their customers.

Another non story blown up by the "gay brigade"....

Now this... this is prejudice.

No religious reasoning just an example of pure bigotry.

Nedusa 05-03-2015 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7626842)
Well maybe not, there are anti discrimination laws over here and this guy had been a customer of his for 4 years already

If they don't want to do business with that person then that is their choice, everything else is just supposition.

You cannot be forced to give work to people because they are Gay...lol

Niamh. 05-03-2015 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7626845)
Do the anti-discrimination laws apply to Christians, or... not.

Sure but Christians don't have special rules just because they're Christians, they'll have to follow the rules like every other person


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