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Josy 08-03-2015 04:32 PM

Vitamins & Mineral Supplements
 
Do you take any Vitamins and/or Mineral Supplements?

If so what do you take?

T* 08-03-2015 04:37 PM

sometimes i have AB&C

Fetch The Bolt Cutters 08-03-2015 04:42 PM

D


Loukas 08-03-2015 04:44 PM

MegaRed
Berocca when i'm hungover :laugh:

Kizzy 08-03-2015 04:53 PM

Milk thistle and vit D

arista 08-03-2015 04:55 PM

Korean Ginseng
gets you Rock Hard

rubymoo 08-03-2015 05:09 PM

Cod liver oil plus a multi vitamin tablet
Blue green algae capsule
Milk Thistle
Acidophilus plus
Evening Primrose
And a Vitamin C and Zinc pastille

Like Kirk i eat a lot of garlic dishes so have stopped taking garlic supplements.

(I also have a glass of red wine or dark chocolate (green and blacks) as their chocolate hasn't been dutched!)

hijaxers 08-03-2015 05:18 PM

Milk Thistle
Vit D
Vit B
5 HTP
Acidophillus
Omega Fish Oil

Cherie 08-03-2015 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubymoo (Post 7632056)
Cod liver oil plus a multi vitamin tablet
Blue green algae capsule
Milk Thistle
Acidophilus plus
Evening Primrose
And a Vitamin C and Zinc pastille

Like Kirk i eat a lot of garlic dishes so have stopped taking garlic supplements.

(I also have a glass of red wine or dark chocolate (green and blacks) as their chocolate hasn't been dutched!)

:worry: I don't take anything, with the exception of Vit C and the multivitamin what do the rest do Ruby

Kizzy 08-03-2015 07:06 PM

I used to have kefir, but I killed it :(

JoshBB 08-03-2015 07:21 PM

none, honestly I didn't realise it was the norm to take so many?

AnnieK 08-03-2015 07:24 PM

Glucosamine.....stops my knees creaking embarrassingly when I work out.

Crimson Dynamo 08-03-2015 07:40 PM

pretty much all of them have zero science behind them. You are really just taking them based on marketing, ie being hoodwinked


vitamins have been almost wholly debunked now

even fish oil etc

Crimson Dynamo 08-03-2015 07:40 PM

oh and none

rubymoo 08-03-2015 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 7632138)
:worry: I don't take anything, with the exception of Vit C and the multivitamin what do the rest do Ruby

Hi Cherie:wavey:

Cod liver - Joints
Multi Vitamins - to make sure i get what i need!
Acidophilus - Good bacteria (i suffer with reflux and have had immunity issues so hopefully these help)
Milk Thistle - gives liver support
Blue Green Algae - to fight inflammation, b vits, antioxidant
Evening primrose - pms, endometriosis
Vit C and Zinc pastille to boost immunity.

I've suffered with chronic fatigue and gluten sensitivity for years and have bouts of inflammation, as well as past endometriosis. My cholesterol is on the high side some of the above can reduce cholesterol.

I suspect my immunity is low after years of insomnia, and suffer health anxiety.

I honestly don't know if they are working, i will let you know in 6 months!

Sometimes i can walk miles and then other times i can barely walk a block!

Drs are useless though, that's why i'm trying vitamin and mineral supplements.:wavey:

Crimson Dynamo 08-03-2015 08:08 PM

marketing

rubymoo 08-03-2015 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7632361)
marketing

I'm sure some of it is LT but even if it acts as a placebo, then i'm still onto a winner:laugh:

The red wine and chocolate have been proven though:hehe:

Crimson Dynamo 08-03-2015 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubymoo (Post 7632368)
I'm sure some of it is LT but even if it acts as a placebo, then i'm still onto a winner:laugh:

The red wine and chocolate have been proven though:hehe:

I take whisky for most of my ailments and so far its been very positive

:spin:

rubymoo 08-03-2015 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7632370)
I take whisky for most of my ailments and so far its been very positive

:spin:

:laugh:

Samm 08-03-2015 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoshBB (Post 7632254)
none, honestly I didn't realise it was the norm to take so many?

Same, why do people even take em

Crimson Dynamo 08-03-2015 09:06 PM

Ask yourself

Where is my evidence?

If its anecdotal or from a label

......

Kizzy 08-03-2015 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubymoo (Post 7632358)
Hi Cherie:wavey:

Cod liver - Joints
Multi Vitamins - to make sure i get what i need!
Acidophilus - Good bacteria (i suffer with reflux and have had immunity issues so hopefully these help)
Milk Thistle - gives liver support
Blue Green Algae - to fight inflammation, b vits, antioxidant
Evening primrose - pms, endometriosis
Vit C and Zinc pastille to boost immunity.

I've suffered with chronic fatigue and gluten sensitivity for years and have bouts of inflammation, as well as past endometriosis. My cholesterol is on the high side some of the above can reduce cholesterol.

I suspect my immunity is low after years of insomnia, and suffer health anxiety.

I honestly don't know if they are working, i will let you know in 6 months!

Sometimes i can walk miles and then other times i can barely walk a block!

Drs are useless though, that's why i'm trying vitamin and mineral supplements.:wavey:

This is what I'm having checked atm, those blue green algea sound good I'm going to look into those thanks :)

joeysteele 08-03-2015 09:07 PM

None, up to now anyway.

Cherie 08-03-2015 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubymoo (Post 7632358)
Hi Cherie:wavey:

Cod liver - Joints
Multi Vitamins - to make sure i get what i need!
Acidophilus - Good bacteria (i suffer with reflux and have had immunity issues so hopefully these help)
Milk Thistle - gives liver support
Blue Green Algae - to fight inflammation, b vits, antioxidant
Evening primrose - pms, endometriosis
Vit C and Zinc pastille to boost immunity.

I've suffered with chronic fatigue and gluten sensitivity for years and have bouts of inflammation, as well as past endometriosis. My cholesterol is on the high side some of the above can reduce cholesterol.

I suspect my immunity is low after years of insomnia, and suffer health anxiety.

I honestly don't know if they are working, i will let you know in 6 months!

Sometimes i can walk miles and then other times i can barely walk a block!

Drs are useless though, that's why i'm trying vitamin and mineral supplements.:wavey:


Thanks! hope they work, my problem would be remembering to take them all Ruby x

Josy 09-03-2015 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7632440)
Ask yourself

Where is my evidence?

If its anecdotal or from a label

......

Lots of vitamins have been investigated and actually are proven to work.

Vitamin deficiencies in some people can be extremely dangerous, some people can't absorb as much vitamins and minerals into the body as others due to certain illnesses or allergies (I have a citrus allergy so take vit c) others are not getting enough into the body due poor diet or to being vegetarian and not consuming enough animal product etc.

B deficiencies have been tested and linked to chronic fatigue, severe anaemia, Alzheimer's, skin conditions and lots more. (you know your Lunulas (halfmoons) on your fingernails? if they are gone then theres a good chance you have a B vitamin deficiency)

Vitamin C is great for repairing tissue in the body, skin disorders, healthy bones and teeth and so on.

Vitamin D which has already had it's daily recommendation raised by the Institute of Medicine is well documented in protecting bones and helps people with illnesses such as osteoporosis and similar.

These are just small examples.

Just because it's something you don't understand doesn't mean it's a placebo.

And most vitamins are used by the body as needed then the rest is disposed of safely anyway so there's no real harm in taking what you think you need.

You just keep enjoying your whiskies and let others do what they feel is best for them. Hey maybe you should get some vitamin C into you to help out your poor liver :idc:

Crimson Dynamo 09-03-2015 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josy (Post 7632767)
Lots of vitamins have been investigated and actually are proven to work.

Vitamin deficiencies in some people can be extremely dangerous, some people can't absorb as much vitamins and minerals into the body as others due to certain illnesses or allergies (I have a citrus allergy so take vit c) others are not getting enough into the body due poor diet or to being vegetarian and not consuming enough animal product etc.

B deficiencies have been tested and linked to chronic fatigue, severe anaemia, Alzheimer's, skin conditions and lots more. (you know your Lunulas (halfmoons) on your fingernails? if they are gone then theres a good chance you have a B vitamin deficiency)

Vitamin C is great for repairing tissue in the body, skin disorders, healthy bones and teeth and so on.

Vitamin D which has already had it's daily recommendation raised by the Institute of Medicine is well documented in protecting bones and helps people with illnesses such as osteoporosis and similar.

These are just small examples.

Just because it's something you don't understand doesn't mean it's a placebo.

And most vitamins are used by the body as needed then the rest is disposed of safely anyway so there's no real harm in taking what you think you need.

You just keep enjoying your whiskies and let others do what they feel is best for them. Hey maybe you should get some vitamin C into you to help out your poor liver :idc:

http://www.livescience.com/42001-cas...ctors-say.html

a balanced diet and time outdoors provides all the vitamins a normal person needs

Josy 09-03-2015 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7632768)

Very good. A link that says 'some physicians'

For every study you find that is negative about them there is plenty more that are positive and have been proven to work.

However, I think I would prefer to take the advice of my doctor and blood work results to a randomly linked article on the internet anyday.

Edited to respond to your edit..

You have now changed your tune, of course a 'normal' person with no deficiencies or illness/reasons to need vitamins doesn't need to take them but...that's not what you first said is it.

Crimson Dynamo 09-03-2015 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josy (Post 7632769)
Very good. A link that says 'some physicians'

For every study you find that is negative about them there is plenty more that are positive and have been proven to work.

However, I think I would prefer to take the advice of my doctor and blood work results to a randomly linked article on the internet anyday.

Edited to respond to your edit..

I am not saying if your doctor prescribes a supplement course to treat an ailment I am talking about self diagnosis by marketing

You have now changed your tune, of course a 'normal' person with no deficiencies or illness/reasons to need vitamins doesn't need to take them but...that's not what you first said is it.


I am not saying if your doctor prescribes a supplement course to treat an ailment I am talking about self diagnosis by marketing. However doctors prescribe all sorts of drugs with very limited science to bck them up like anti-depressants and they also prescribe a lot of placebo as well to get folk out of the waiting rooms.

if you have evidence that unprescribed over the counter vitamin supplements work then lets see it



http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-and-su...-multivitamins

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/prog..._summary.shtml

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2013/12Decemb...d-benefit.aspx

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Condit...04_Article.jsp

https://xenophilius.wordpress.com/20...not-take-hmmm/

Crimson Dynamo 09-03-2015 08:17 AM

The evidence against supplements continues to pile up. Recently I created a list of The Top 5 Vitamins You Shouldn’t Take. Now I’m expanding that list to include vitamin D, which is taken by almost half of older adults. Now, two new studies in latest issue of The Lancet show that most of these people are wasting their money.

The first study is a large review by Philippe Autier and colleagues, who found that taking supplemental vitamin D has no effect on a wide range of diseases and conditions. After looking at over 450 studies, the authors conclude:

“The absence of an effect of vitamin D supplementation on disease occurrence, severity, and clinical course leads to the hypothesis that variations [in vitamin D levels] would essentially be a result, and not a cause, of ill health.”

So it appears that we’ve been getting cause and effect backwards, at least as far as vitamin D is concerned. … Vitamin D supplements, to put it plainly, are a waste of money. … So here’s my expanded list of the Top Six Vitamins You Shouldn’t Take, with the newest entrant at the end:

Vitamin C
Vitamin A and beta carotene
Vitamin E
Vitamin B6
Multi-vitamins
Vitamin D

… What’s left? Well, if you don’t have a deficiency, there’s no reason to take any supplemental vitamins at all. … Save your money. Or better yet, if you must spend it, buy a bit more fresh fruit. You’ll be healthier for it.

via The Top Six Vitamins You Should Not Take – Forbes.


https://xenophilius.wordpress.com/20...not-take-hmmm/

Crimson Dynamo 09-03-2015 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josy (Post 7631999)
Do you take any Vitamins and/or Mineral Supplements?

If so what do you take?

this question is ambiguous anyway Josy


You should have asked do you take Vitamins and/or Mineral Supplements that you have prescribed yourself from Boots etc or do you take Vitamins and/or Mineral Supplements on medical advice from a doctor after finding deficiencies?


Big difference

rubymoo 09-03-2015 09:20 AM

The problem is, that the food we eat today has less nutritional value that it did years ago (when our grandparents were young).

The government say we should all aim to eat 5 a day, but research has shown we should be eating double that, that probably accounts for some of the illnesses we have today, and don't even get me started on the crap they spray on our food and the antibiotics they pump into our food:rant:

Josy 09-03-2015 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7632771)
I am not saying if your doctor prescribes a supplement course to treat an ailment I am talking about self diagnosis by marketing. However doctors prescribe all sorts of drugs with very limited science to bck them up like anti-depressants and they also prescribe a lot of placebo as well to get folk out of the waiting rooms.

if you have evidence that unprescribed over the counter vitamin supplements work then lets see it



http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-and-su...-multivitamins

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/prog..._summary.shtml

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2013/12Decemb...d-benefit.aspx

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Condit...04_Article.jsp

https://xenophilius.wordpress.com/20...not-take-hmmm/

That's EXACTLY what you were saying with your first few posts in this thread though, you ridiculed ALL vitamins and supplements as being placebos and a waste of money. That's not true. Which is what I was responding to when I replied to you.

You then changed your tune and said what you did above.

I'm not interested in the links you are providing tbh because they are nothing to do with the initial posts of yours I replied to, you backpeddled after that and as I mentioned before I would much rather take my doctors advice because he can see my blood work and knows that I need to take certain vitamins and that they do actually stop me from becoming deficient.

There are a few other members on the thread that have actually posted that they needed vitamins to treat certain ailments and that the vitamins did help, it was proven by their blood work, what more proof do you need?

There is no debate about whether we need important vitamins in our body to survive and if you have a deficiency or are just above borderline then you do need to take vitamins and they do work, that's a fact.

Crimson Dynamo 09-03-2015 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josy (Post 7632886)
That's EXACTLY what you were saying with your first few posts in this thread though, you ridiculed ALL vitamins and supplements as being placebos and a waste of money. That's not true. Which is what I was responding to when I replied to you.

You then changed your tune and said what you did above.

I'm not interested in the links you are providing tbh because they are nothing to do with the initial posts of yours I replied to, you backpeddled after that and as I mentioned before I would much rather take my doctors advice because he can see my blood work and knows that I need to take certain vitamins and that they do actually stop me from becoming deficient.

There are a few other members on the thread that have actually posted that they needed vitamins to treat certain ailments and that the vitamins did help, it was proven by their blood work, what more proof do you need?

There is no debate about whether we need important vitamins in our body to survive and if you have a deficiency or are just above borderline then you do need to take vitamins and they do work, that's a fact.



you posted an ambiguous thread then have a go because we cant tell what angle you are coming from until it suits you?

I would stop taking all the pills


:idc:

Niamh. 09-03-2015 01:31 PM

No I don't take any Vitamins

Josy 09-03-2015 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7632968)
you posted an ambiguous thread then have a go because we cant tell what angle you are coming from until it suits you?

I would stop taking all the pills


:idc:

http://www.idolol.com/pictures/de489...58e110fc27.png

Crimson Dynamo 09-03-2015 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josy (Post 7633004)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-mYKsgGN0fr...s-Not-Good.gif

Kizzy 09-03-2015 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7632772)
The evidence against supplements continues to pile up. Recently I created a list of The Top 5 Vitamins You Shouldn’t Take. Now I’m expanding that list to include vitamin D, which is taken by almost half of older adults. Now, two new studies in latest issue of The Lancet show that most of these people are wasting their money.

The first study is a large review by Philippe Autier and colleagues, who found that taking supplemental vitamin D has no effect on a wide range of diseases and conditions. After looking at over 450 studies, the authors conclude:

“The absence of an effect of vitamin D supplementation on disease occurrence, severity, and clinical course leads to the hypothesis that variations [in vitamin D levels] would essentially be a result, and not a cause, of ill health.”

So it appears that we’ve been getting cause and effect backwards, at least as far as vitamin D is concerned. … Vitamin D supplements, to put it plainly, are a waste of money. … So here’s my expanded list of the Top Six Vitamins You Shouldn’t Take, with the newest entrant at the end:

Vitamin C
Vitamin A and beta carotene
Vitamin E
Vitamin B6
Multi-vitamins
Vitamin D

… What’s left? Well, if you don’t have a deficiency, there’s no reason to take any supplemental vitamins at all. … Save your money. Or better yet, if you must spend it, buy a bit more fresh fruit. You’ll be healthier for it.

via The Top Six Vitamins You Should Not Take – Forbes.


https://xenophilius.wordpress.com/20...not-take-hmmm/

From the same study..

'Supplementation in elderly people (mainly women) with 20 μg vitamin D per day seemed to slightly reduce all-cause mortality. The discrepancy between observational and intervention studies suggests that low 25(OH)D is a marker of ill health. Inflammatory processes involved in disease occurrence and clinical course would reduce 25(OH)D, which would explain why low vitamin D status is reported in a wide range of disorders. In elderly people, restoration of vitamin D deficits due to ageing and lifestyle changes induced by ill health could explain why low-dose supplementation leads to slight gains in survival.'

Shaun 09-03-2015 03:29 PM

I have a multivitamins thing (the chewable ones, that're like chalk) and I drink a glass of water a day with a Vitamin C disolvable tablet

Crimson Dynamo 09-03-2015 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 7633164)
I have a multivitamins thing (the chewable ones, that're like chalk) and I drink a glass of water a day with a Vitamin C disolvable tablet

why?

Shaun 09-03-2015 03:39 PM

because I ****ing want to OK, for once in your life let it go


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