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arista 20-04-2015 06:54 AM

UK:Swap Your Vote ? if your vote will be wasted?
 
General Election 2015: Do you think your vote will be wasted? You could try swapping it with someone in a marginal seat




[Ben Little and Jonathan Rogers barely know each other. But, on 7 May,
each man will walk into a polling station in different
constituencies and cast their vote according to the other’s wishes.

The pair have agreed to swap votes – a form of tactical voting developed to increase
the power of individual votes cast under the first-past-the-post (FPTP) electoral system.
Neither man will be voting for his first preference, but both believe vote swapping will help
them to maximise the chances of those they want to see in power.
Mr Little is a Labour supporter in Chipping Barnet, a safe Tory seat in north London.
Mr Rogers is a Green Party supporter in the Labour target seat of Hornsey and Wood Green,
also in north London, where Ed Miliband’s party has a real chance
of unseating the Liberal Democrat incumbent. ]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10187359.html


This was on SkyNewsHD papers review

joeysteele 20-04-2015 07:46 AM

I just think people should vote for who best represents them and their own views and hopes.
However, if this works for these 2, fine.

arista 20-04-2015 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 7711045)
I just think people should vote for who best represents them and their own views and hopes.
However, if this works for these 2, fine.


Its more than these 2


This is about safe seats

Josy 20-04-2015 08:17 AM

Your vote is supposed to be your own to vote for who best represents you, as joey said.

I think this is stupid.

waterhog 20-04-2015 08:19 AM

if there is nothing on offer that appeals to you - go and make you voting slip invalid - by putting none of the above.

kirklancaster 20-04-2015 08:58 AM

What next: Advertisements for 'VOTES FOR SALE'?:shrug:

arista 20-04-2015 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josy (Post 7711050)
Your vote is supposed to be your own to vote for who best represents you, as joey said.

I think this is stupid.



Sure
but there is a site doing it


No Cops have stopped it

arista 20-04-2015 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 7711059)
What next: Advertisements for 'VOTES FOR SALE'?:shrug:


Yes Labour members may do that

Kizzy 20-04-2015 09:48 AM

Just shows how desperate people are to unseat this lot.

arista 20-04-2015 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7711074)
Just shows how desperate people are to unseat this lot.




Yes And no one wants
New Labour /Labour /SNPism

in power

Kizzy 20-04-2015 10:05 AM

Joey and I do...

arista 20-04-2015 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7711083)
Joey and I do...


we know

AnnieK 20-04-2015 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 7711081)
Yes And no one wants
New Labour /Labour /SNPism

in power

Not quite sure no-one wants then in power Arista

arista 20-04-2015 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 7711086)
Not quite sure no-one wants them in power Arista



Utter Anarchy

Jack_ 20-04-2015 10:34 AM

Sounds fine to me, this is the problem with FPTP, people have to resort to tactical voting like this

Northern Monkey 20-04-2015 11:23 AM

I say if you're not happy with the current system then go for it.Nobody can really stop it happening.This is apparently a democracy after all.

Josy 20-04-2015 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 7711081)
Yes And no one wants
New Labour /Labour /SNPism

in power

Clearly they do.

smudgie 20-04-2015 12:14 PM

:shrug: The politicians are happy to use an tactics to win, so the voters can feel free to do the same.

No way would I trust a stranger to cast a vote for me..how on earth can you trust anyone to carry out your wishes.

arista 20-04-2015 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josy (Post 7711125)
Clearly they do.


OK Josy



No One In Their Right mind wants
Labour/SNPism

as it will not work



But UKIP and Conservative
is ready for merge (PM says no way , of course )

arista 20-04-2015 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 7711094)
Sounds fine to me, this is the problem with FPTP, people have to resort to tactical voting like this


Its very normal nowdays
Jacki

Livia 20-04-2015 01:22 PM

No one's having my vote, ever. Appalling idea.

bots 20-04-2015 01:42 PM

Lol, never heard anything so stupid. There is no way to check that your partner has indeed voted as per your request. Sounds like an age old scam to me.

Nedusa 20-04-2015 02:26 PM

Utter nonsense............and probably illegal

joeysteele 20-04-2015 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josy (Post 7711050)
Your vote is supposed to be your own to vote for who best represents you, as joey said.

I think this is stupid.

Also, how could you ever really know the other person actually did so too.

joeysteele 20-04-2015 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7711083)
Joey and I do...

I am finding a great many people do Kizzy,in England too,from the North to the Midlands.
It seems maybe one or 2 people possibly don't get out much.

arista 20-04-2015 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 7711321)
Utter nonsense............and probably illegal


No its a Trusted Website
not for kids

Z 20-04-2015 05:24 PM

Just shows how flawed first past the post is - that said, I don't think coalition governments (a by product of proportional representation) are any better.

arista 30-04-2015 08:36 AM

Its all legal

Debated Live now on Ch5HD

Withano 30-04-2015 08:42 AM

Makes complete sense to me, Feel like I'd have trust issues doing it myself though

arista 30-04-2015 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 7727492)
Makes complete sense to me, Feel like I'd have trust issues doing it myself though


I guess photo the x
as you vote - you could photograph
and the same at the other end etc


Labours Gloria D Piero
Green Caroline Lucas
Conservative Anna Soubry

Are all at risk of losing their seat
Ch5HD just confirmed

Livia 30-04-2015 09:31 AM

Election law is taken very seriously. I hope any one caught doing this is prosecuted.

MTVN 30-04-2015 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 7727493)
I guess photo the x
as you vote - you could photograph
and the same at the other end etc


Labours Gloria D Piero
Green Caroline Lucas
Conservative Anna Soubry

Are all at risk of losing their seat
Ch5HD just confirmed

Isn't that illegal

Kizzy 30-04-2015 09:56 AM

I wonder why you can't photo your ballot paper?

Livia 30-04-2015 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 7727536)
Isn't that illegal

It is illegal, yes.

Kizzy 30-04-2015 10:07 AM

“While it is not necessarily a criminal offence to photograph a completed ballot paper either at home or within a polling place, it is strongly discouraged as it could violate the secrecy of the ballot, which is fundamental to the integrity of the process.”

So, is it illegal is it not?

Well, the only illegality around it (according to the Electoral Commission and the Referendum Act 2013) would be if you do one of the following.

Being disruptive as judged by the polling officer at the particular station
Taking a photo of anyone else either purposely or by mistake (misjudged selfie)
However chances are if you have a postal vote you’re not in a polling station. In this case, you can share your postal vote all you want, as long as you don’t share anyone else’s, induce others into sharing theirs or share others photos without their prior permission.

So – photos in polling stations you’ll have to follow the rules as laid out in the referendum act to avoid breaking the law. Photos of postal votes are perfectly fine, although discouraged.'

http://www.scotlandvotes.com/news/ar...elfies-illegal

Livia 30-04-2015 10:11 AM

It is illegal. Even the outfit promoting this ridiculous idea agrees...

http://giveyourvote.org/news/give-your-vote-and-law

Kizzy 30-04-2015 10:16 AM

Representation of the People Act 1983.”

Are they right? The relevant legislation is as follows:

s66(3) No person shall:

(a) interfere with or attempt to interfere with a voter when recording his vote;

(b) otherwise obtain or attempt to obtain in a polling station information as to the candidate for whom a voter in that station is about to vote or has voted;

(c) communicate at any time to any person any information obtained in a polling station as to the candidate for whom a voter in that station is about to vote or has voted, or as to the number (or other unique identifying mark) on the back of the ballot paper given to a voter at that station;

(d) directly or indirectly induce a voter to display his ballot paper after he has marked it so as to make known to any person the name of the candidate for whom he has or has not voted.

You could take a pic but not share it seems to be the advice, I don't know how it could be proved you'd shown your phone to anyone, what if you left it lying around and someone happened to glance at it.. not that you should ever do that.

http://www.halsburyslawexchange.co.u...n-day-selfies/

Livia 30-04-2015 10:18 AM

Oh Kizzy, I'm sure you know so much more about the law than I do, especially election law. I encourage you to take a selfie with your ballot paper if you're convinced it's all okay and above board. And make sure you post it online.

Kizzy 30-04-2015 10:24 AM

If you used a postal vote ith rules are a bit more relaxed as nobody can stop you taking a photo in your own home, but it's a bit late for that.
As long as you don't share it, that's where you're in trouble by the look of it.

Kizzy 30-04-2015 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7727583)
Oh Kizzy, I'm sure you know so much more about the law than I do, especially election law. I encourage you to take a selfie with your ballot paper if you're convinced it's all okay and above board. And make sure you post it online.

Of course I don't... Yours wasn't a professional opinion, you used google didn't you and posted a link, how is that more valid?
There's a law against encouraging people commit vote fraud, I wouldn't encourage it you might get in trouble.


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