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the truth 13-05-2015 12:31 AM

Lowering standards to get women in fireservice+army
 
Perils of the push for female firefighters
by betsy mcaughey - A WOMAN
(a man wouldn't be allowed to write such a report as hed be wrongly called a sexist pig)

If this is how bad "positive" discrimination gets....shouldn't we get old folks into the fire service because we cant discriminate against them and yes the disabled too....change all the qualifications in case these groups sue too?

yet another insane dangerous load of nonsense as a result of radical liberalism ....equal opportunity doesn't mean equal...no one is equal everyone is different, standards should never be lowered...innocent people will die again here because of pandering to feminism......to those absurd feminists I ask, if you and your family were in a burning building, would you really rather the woman who couldn't pass the tests to come and save you? if you say yes, I will never believe you



May 5, 2015 | 8:06pm

Perils of the push for female firefighters
Rebecca Wax
Photo: J.C. Rice


If you’re ever trapped in a burning building, just pray the firefighter climbing up to rescue you isn’t Rebecca Wax. Or someone like her, who’s been given an EZ-Pass through firefighting training for the sake of gender equity.

This week Wax, who repeatedly flunked the rigorous physical test required by the New York City Fire Department, will graduate anyway, The Post reported.

All over the nation, fire departments are easing physical standards, in response to litigation to increase the number of women firefighters.

It’s roiling fire departments, and the turmoil is a preview of what’s to come for the US military, which has committed to opening all combat roles to women by 2016.

Wax tried six times to pass New York’s Functional Skills Test within the 17-minute, 50-second deadline. Five times she couldn’t finish at all; on the sixth try, she needed 22 minutes. Women’s groups claim the test is needlessly difficult and unfairly bars women.

Trainees wearing 50 pounds of gear and breathing through an air tank must climb six stories, raise ladders, break down doors and drag a dummy through a dark tunnel, all at breakneck speed. Sounds like firefighting.

The city’s test is tougher than some tests elsewhere, but city buildings are higher. Nevertheless, Fire Commissioner Daniel Nigro gave Wax a pass because she had good performance on other measures, including academic tests.

Nigro wants to significantly boost the number of women in the FDNY — now only 0.5 percent of the rank-and-file — and he wants to do it before he’s staring at a court order.

Court orders are compelling Chicago to relax its standards. Two federal class-action lawsuits brought by women who flunked that city’s firefighting tests claimed that the exams required more than what is actually needed to be an effective firefighter.

Women account for 3.4 percent of the Chicago force, compared with 5.7 percent of firefighters nationally. Chicago authorities settled the case last month, admitting into training the previously rejected women and paying millions to others no longer eligible.

In Los Angeles, Mayor Eric Garcetti is plainly unhappy with this year’s all-male class of firefighting graduates.

There were four women among the 44 recruits who started last December, but they all dropped out.

Desperate to diversify, Garcetti paid the RAND Corp. a whopping $270,000 for advice. RAND’s brilliant insight was that LA should recruit women athletes who can take the grueling training. Well, duh!

That’s what San Marcos, Calif., learned upon hiring Siene Freeman.

Several other female recruits had washed out, but for her — a former marathoner and weight-lifter — the training was a piece of cake.

Municipalities that already have women firefighters are being hit with lawsuits.

But more often these are about sexual harassment rather than qualifications.

This year alone, Philadelphia, Tampa and at least a dozen other cities are being sued for allowing a culture of bawdy, suggestive behavior. Tampa’s fire department personnel chief, known as “Uncle Touchy,” just resigned after admitting he had hugged, massaged and flirted with female firefighters.

Many departments face the practical problem that firefighters — male and female — work 24 hour shifts, and sleep in an open bunk room, with no privacy curtains or separate changing area.

That’s hardly conducive for a professional working environment. Nigro says he is going to remedy these problems in New York.

Then again, the Tampa female firefighters are fanning the flames.

To raise money for burn victims, they put out a calendar. Trouble is, some of them posed in bikinis, sending a mixed message.

The touchy issue of women in traditional men’s occupations will be center stage this fall, when the Pentagon announces its “gender-neutral” rules for military assignments.

Some feminists argue that the Marine Corps’ grueling Combat Endurance Test is more of an “initiation rite” than a fair appraisal of physical ability, the same argument Wax’s supporters use about New York’s firefighting exam.

Joint Chiefs Chairman Martin Dempsey ominously announced at a Pentagon briefing that if “a particular standard is so high that a woman couldn’t make it, the burden is now on the service to come back and explain . . . does it really have to be that high?”

Military brass — like officials overseeing New York’s fire department — are too ready to lower standards, never mind the consequences in the field.

Is that really a victory for women?

Niamh. 13-05-2015 10:38 AM

My husband is a Fire Fighter and there are 3 women Fire Fighters at his station (one is the Driver) and they all had to pass the same medicals as he did and complete the same training :shrug:

Kizzy 13-05-2015 10:59 AM

No link?

Wax tried six times to pass New York’s Functional Skills Test within the 17-minute, 50-second deadline. Five times she couldn’t finish at all; on the sixth try, she needed 22 minutes. Women’s groups claim the test is needlessly difficult and unfairly bars women.

Trainees wearing 50 pounds of gear and breathing through an air tank must climb six stories, raise ladders, break down doors and drag a dummy through a dark tunnel, all at breakneck speed. Sounds like firefighting.'

Can't deny her tenacity.

the truth 13-05-2015 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7763886)
My husband is a Fire Fighter and there are 3 women Fire Fighters at his station (one is the Driver) and they all had to pass the same medicals as he did and complete the same training :shrug:

that's great. but in this case and across America they have had to lower the standards to let women like this into the fire service , which is an absolute disgrace

the truth 13-05-2015 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7763958)
No link?

Wax tried six times to pass New York’s Functional Skills Test within the 17-minute, 50-second deadline. Five times she couldn’t finish at all; on the sixth try, she needed 22 minutes. Women’s groups claim the test is needlessly difficult and unfairly bars women.

Trainees wearing 50 pounds of gear and breathing through an air tank must climb six stories, raise ladders, break down doors and drag a dummy through a dark tunnel, all at breakneck speed. Sounds like firefighting.'

Can't deny her tenacity.

tenacity isn't enough, everyone should pass the tests without the tests having to be lowered just to give into the demands of the feminists.....innocent people will get injured and innocent people will die as a result of this disgusting decision

Kazanne 13-05-2015 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7763886)
My husband is a Fire Fighter and there are 3 women Fire Fighters at his station (one is the Driver) and they all had to pass the same medicals as he did and complete the same training :shrug:

This is the truth,my brother is also a firefighter and the women are trained the same as the men.

Niamh. 13-05-2015 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7764163)
that's great. but in this case and across America they have had to lower the standards to let women like this into the fire service , which is an absolute disgrace

Well, I don't know much about what goes on in America in regards to how they're trained but my husband reckons that they're training isn't as good over there anyway and that they already have far higher death rates in the Fire service because they're too gung ho and don't follow proper procedures like they do here and in Britain

Kizzy 13-05-2015 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7764184)
Well, I don't know much about what goes on in America in regards to how they're trained but my husband reckons that they're training isn't as good over there anyway and that they already have far higher death rates in the Fire service because they're too gung ho and don't follow proper procedures like they do here and in Britain

Well there you go a blend of adherence to safety procedure, strength and teamwork seems to be the answer.
Maybe the Americans could learn something from the British model?

Cherie 13-05-2015 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7764201)
Well there you go a blend of adherence to safety procedure, strength and teamwork seems to be the answer.
Maybe the Americans could learn something from the British model?

The Irish model Kizzy :fist:

Kizzy 13-05-2015 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 7764211)
The Irish model Kizzy :fist:

The UK model?... :/ #shamed

Niamh. 13-05-2015 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7764222)
The UK model?... :/ #shamed

Ireland isn't part of the Uk :fist: Uk and Irish :tongue:

bots 13-05-2015 12:46 PM

Men and women both face the same challenges/perils when fighting fires so their training has to be identical.

I had to do some basic search and rescue training in the dim and distant past that was organised by the fire service, and hell, its tough. They get nothing but respect from me.

Ammi 13-05-2015 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 7764234)
Men and women both face the same challenges/perils when fighting fires so their training has to be identical.

I had to do some basic search and rescue training in the dim and distant past that was organised by the fire service, and hell, its tough. They get nothing but respect from me.



...indeed and as well as the physical, it's also the emotional as well with the things they must see...

Niamh. 13-05-2015 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 7764247)
...indeed and as well as the physical, it's also the emotional as well with the things they must see...

And it isn't all about the physical either. The fire service work in teams, they don't all rush into burning buildings dragging out bodies, the driver for example is in charge of operating the pumps

Ammi 13-05-2015 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7764259)
And it isn't all about the physical either. The fire service work in teams, they don't all rush into burning buildings dragging out bodies, the driver for example is in charge of operating the pumps

...yeah it's a total trust/teamwork thing and I would think that there is a huge bond between them ..I think that one of the worst things must be, in terms of what they see, road traffic accidents and having to get the people out, whatever the injuries...

Niamh. 13-05-2015 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 7764267)
...yeah it's a total trust/teamwork thing and I would think that there is a huge bond between them ..I think that one of the worst things must be, in terms of what they see, road traffic accidents and having to get the people out, whatever the injuries...

Yeah, Gav gets called to more road traffic accidents then house fires

Kizzy 13-05-2015 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7764233)
Ireland isn't part of the Uk :fist: Uk and Irish :tongue:

:facepalm: I give up :laugh:

Ammi 13-05-2015 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7764272)
Yeah, Gav gets called to more road traffic accidents then house fires

..I would think that with a road traffic accident, it wouldn't be the same type of 'adrenalin' thing so you were really fully absorbing the horror of it all...I just can't imagine what it would be like to be one of the first to arrive at a huge pile up with multiple deaths and horrific injuries...

the truth 13-05-2015 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7764184)
Well, I don't know much about what goes on in America in regards to how they're trained but my husband reckons that they're training isn't as good over there anyway and that they already have far higher death rates in the Fire service because they're too gung ho and don't follow proper procedures like they do here and in Britain

this story is about America? why are you choosing to ignore that fact?

the truth 13-05-2015 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 7764234)
Men and women both face the same challenges/perils when fighting fires so their training has to be identical.

I had to do some basic search and rescue training in the dim and distant past that was organised by the fire service, and hell, its tough. They get nothing but respect from me.

that is untrue , in America. if youd actually bothered reading the report at the top of this page youd know that. lives will be lost as they had to lower the standards to let this women.; this has happened across america

the truth 13-05-2015 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 7764267)
...yeah it's a total trust/teamwork thing and I would think that there is a huge bond between them ..I think that one of the worst things must be, in terms of what they see, road traffic accidents and having to get the people out, whatever the injuries...

they had to lower the standards to let this woman in...this puts everyones life at more risk and destroys the teamwork you talk about.

Niamh. 13-05-2015 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7764376)
this story is about America? why are you choosing to ignore that fact?

I'm hardly ignoring that fact when I mentioned America in the post of mine which you quoted :laugh:

Serious question Truth, do you honestly believe that "feminazis" as you like to call them, are what's most wrong with the world today?

Crimson Dynamo 13-05-2015 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7763886)
My husband is a Fire Fighter and there are 3 women Fire Fighters at his station (one is the Driver) and they all had to pass the same medicals as he did and complete the same training :shrug:

one....is....the...driver?? :omgno:

what kind of chilling revelation is this?



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Niamh. 13-05-2015 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7764410)
one....is....the...driver?? :omgno:

what kind of chilling revelation is this?



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Be quiet you :nono:

bots 13-05-2015 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7764384)
that is untrue , in America. if youd actually bothered reading the report at the top of this page youd know that. lives will be lost as they had to lower the standards to let this women.; this has happened across america

I'm simply stating facts, if you don't like what you hear ... tough. The fixation you have with women has left me speechless to be honest.

arista 13-05-2015 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7764233)
Ireland isn't part of the Uk :fist: Uk and Irish :tongue:


Yes your in Pot a toe land

Niamh. 13-05-2015 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 7764431)
Yes your in Pot a toe land

Typical :idc:

Ammi 13-05-2015 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7764390)
they had to lower the standards to let this woman in...this puts everyones life at more risk and destroys the teamwork you talk about.


..I don't see though where lives have been put at risk by this female firefighter, is there a story about her endangering people, her colleagues or any other life...it says in training that were four women among the 44 recruits who started last December, but they all dropped out so didn't meet the standard which was set or found it wasn't for them but not saying that the standard had been lowered ...

Livia 13-05-2015 01:53 PM

If thetruth made the kind of statements he makes about women, about black people (for instance) he would have been thrown off this forum long ago, and quite rightly. Yet, he's still here. Maybe we should have a thread on 'why'.

the truth 13-05-2015 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7764440)
If thetruth made the kind of statements he makes about women, about black people (for instance) he would have been thrown off this forum long ago, and quite rightly. Yet, he's still here. Maybe we should have a thread on 'why'.

i could say the same with you about men..ignoring your cheap shot back to the issue....do you think its right to lower the standards in new York fire department to allow more women to become firefighters? thus risking lives ?
http://nypost.com/2015/05/05/fdnys-u...-firefighting/

the truth 13-05-2015 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 7764438)
..I don't see though where lives have been put at risk by this female firefighter, is there a story about her endangering people, her colleagues or any other life...it says in training that were four women among the 44 recruits who started last December, but they all dropped out so didn't meet the standard which was set or found it wasn't for them but not saying that the standard had been lowered ...

the standards were lowered to let this woman, re read this report
in http://nypost.com/2015/05/05/fdnys-u...-firefighting/

this has happened right across america

http://nypost.com/2015/05/05/fdnys-u...-firefighting/

AnnieK 13-05-2015 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7764747)
the standards were lowered to let this woman, re read this report
in http://nypost.com/2015/05/05/fdnys-u...-firefighting/

this has happened right across america

http://nypost.com/2015/05/05/fdnys-u...-firefighting/

But surely that is something for America to address. Others have stated in this thread that they have very personal knowledge of the Fire Service and it doesn't happen in this country so isn't an issue here. With America being the litigious country that it is they must be happy that lives are not being overly put at risk otherwise the number of law suits would escalate and quickly

Crimson Dynamo 13-05-2015 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7764440)
If thetruth made the kind of statements he makes about women, about black people (for instance) he would have been thrown off this forum long ago, and quite rightly. Yet, he's still here. Maybe we should have a thread on 'why'.

:fist:

I rely ion the Truth to keep me updated on the creeping womanisation of our society

today i found out that in ireland they let women drive fire engines :umm2:


Next we will have woman airline pilots and the like. The madness must stop. :nono:

Niamh. 13-05-2015 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 7764760)
But surely that is something for America to address. Others have stated in this thread that they have very personal knowledge of the Fire Service and it doesn't happen in this country so isn't an issue here. With America being the litigious country that it is they must be happy that lives are not being overly put at risk otherwise the number of law suits would escalate and quickly

Exactly.


Truth, it's like you're constantly, actively seeking out these type of stories to try and beat women with sticks over. It's getting pretty tedious tbqh

Shaun 13-05-2015 03:15 PM

sod smoke alarms, can someone buy this chap an oestrogen alarm? seems to be a worrying concern

user104658 13-05-2015 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7764764)

today i found out that in ireland they let women drive fire engines :umm2:

WHAT!? They might as well be driving around in massive red penises!! I can see them now, hooting and hollering, waving the hoses between their legs and spraying them everywhere, brandishing their castration knives in the air...

the truth 13-05-2015 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 7764785)
WHAT!? They might as well be driving around in massive red penises!! I can see them now, hooting and hollering, waving the hoses between their legs and spraying them everywhere, brandishing their castration knives in the air...

the usual nonsense.....if you had a firewoman who had not passed the tests to the same standard failing to carry your relative from a burning building your sick jokes would soon be silenced by tragedy

Niamh. 13-05-2015 07:43 PM

Lowering standards to get women in fireservice+army
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7765941)
the usual nonsense.....if you had a firewoman who had not passed the tests to the same standard failing to carry your relative from a burning building your sick jokes would soon be silenced by tragedy


You're actually talking about stuff that you no nothing about, a woman fire fighter who wasn't as physically strong as others in the team would not be given the job of carrying people out of a fire, don't be ridiculous and I can tell you most people including the male fire fighters would struggle to carry an unconscious person out of a fire

Kizzy 13-05-2015 08:50 PM

I've seen lot's of discrimination on this forum, this is tame compared to the abuse the average welfare claimant gets :idc:

bots 13-05-2015 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7765963)
You're actually talking about stuff that you no nothing about, a woman fire fighter who wasn't as physically strong as others in the team would not be given the job of carrying people out of a fire, don't be ridiculous and I can tell you most people including the male fire fighters would struggle to carry an unconscious person out of a fire

Its impossible, I tried it in an exercise with 2 of us doing it, and in a smoke filled, dark room which is most fires - absolutely no chance


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