Net migration into the UK rose by 50% to 318,000 last year, new figures show.
 

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The Office for National Statistics said this was a "statistically significant" rise of more than 109,000 compared with the previous year.

There were increases in both EU and non-EU migration, with the total figure close to 2005's all-time high.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32816454
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and we have no idea the number of illegals either :shrug:



and yet when UKIP bring this scandal to our attention they get called racist. you could not make it up.

And there will be a referendum within the next 2 years where we will be given an opportunity to decide if we wish it to continue in the EU or not. UKIP offer nothing

Record Immigration As PM Announces Clampdown
 

http://news.sky.com/story/1488125/re...nces-clampdown


Stopping Illegal migrants
is key



The PM is Live now on all media

Near record levels to be fair to him and this govt. almost back to 2005 levels.
His supposed clampdown on illegal immigrants,if the authorities can ever find them that is, without any new staffing numbers or more funding,is still not going to alter by a single individual the 'official' and known figures announced today.
None of any illegal immigrants are in those figures whatsoever.

Ch5HDNews
just showed Police arresting a illegal
in a house - from today.


Yes David its started
Keep up the good work.

Isn't there a thread on this already? Lot's of immigration based paranoia at the moment isn't there?

wow so are we still all going to be labelled racists by new labour for talking about this ?

This thread I made as the PM went Live
a mod can merge it with LT's
but I do not care


Kizzy its not Paranoia
having 300,000 Illegals here
you Fecking New Labour started this mess

Yes because most of the anti-immigration debate is driven by racism and it really isn't as big an issue as people claim it to be. Surely there are things more important - the NHS, poverty, housing prices..

Too true LT.

Not that I care, but this is another promise that the tories have failed to keep :laugh:

No these can be White people
Race is not the reason.

Local Jobs
should not be done by Illegals JoshBB

Thats not tax on them
its corrupt.


The PM has Laid it on the Line

Watch Ch4HD News at 7PM

its a disgrace and we have no idea about the number of illegals

Yes Fecking Blair

I agree with you, but that is the fault of the businesses exploiting desperate migrants, not themselves. It's very corrupt.

And most of the racism of the anti-immigration debate is towards people of arabic/asian backgrounds.

It's funny how little anyone seems to like Blair. The left and the right seem to hate him for different reasons haha

Sure some of them are illegal set ups

But not just workers, many Illegals as well.
And Illegal Gangs running scams
from Eastern Europe are working in the UK.


The worse is Guest Students that have passed
but stay on Illegally

Not to you Josh because despite your obvious intelligence your naivety is alarming.

And the fact it's worsened over the last 5yrs... Is that 'my' Labours fault too? :idc:
The PM ramping up the pressure so all the neurotic bigots start flailing their hands in the air and running barbed wire down Bridlington beach to rescue ol blighty :laugh:

No but Blair started the mess.
and to many illegals came in back then
are still here

People can go on about Labour all they like, however all the treaties signed as to the EU would have been signed by Conservatives or Labour no matter who was in power and so the free movement of EU citizens would be happening regardless.

Immigration got out of hand in their time in power latterly, Labour rightly has to be blamed for that.

However, not now, this Prime Minister, foolishly in 2010, promised to cut immigration to the tens of thousands.
He failed bigtime because it is probably unachievable anyway.
That is now totally and only his govts. fault, not Labours, he doesn't even have the figures falling,as Labour did by 2010 after the peak in 2005.
That is his fault again.

The point is, yes, halt illegal immigration when you come across it, he obviously has no will to put in more resources to do so, so he will need to just hope for the best as to that.
Then make full use and nurture the success that immigration brings to the UK, where all statistics show, that the benefits of immigration to the UK far outweigh any of the negatives as to it.

Then admit, as Labour and all other parties should too, that none have the right policy as it it at all and realise that divisions as to immigration are never going to bring any solutions.
Hammer out a policy,that can be continuous, fair and welcoming as to the positives to all immigration to the UK from wherever.
Stop this we know best attitude from all parties, when in fact all they do as has been shown over the last 5 years is make things even worse.

One of the first steps all parties should also take,obviously excluding the more irrational UKIP leadership's thinking currently,is to stop right now, allowing immigration to be blamed for most of the UKs ills at present.
Take any problems there may be of immigration out of the political arena with a strong and appropriate united front to putting in place a policy as to same.

Stop allowing the demonisation of immigrants and also the nastier side too of the likes of UKIP,blaming foreign immigration for just about everything.

Labour failed on immigration, the Conservatives too failed in coalition over the last 5 years on immigration and if they really try to press ahead thinking they have all the answers to it themselves now, the Conservatives will fail badly again over the next few years too.

Joey, can you reproduce on here just WHERE the OFFICIAL UKIP Party line is that immigration is to blame for ALL the UK's ills - as you and other Labourite's keep claiming?

lol what complete and utter lies....typical of the brainwash spin weve had from new labour for the past 20 years...for starters millions of net immigration directly effects the nhs the housing the poverty the welfare state the child benefits the economy everything is directly connected etc etc
as were in the eu we have no real control over our borders, weve allowed vats amounts of illegal immigrants many of whom are criminals plus we should have a points system allowing us to select who comes in

this is a total fiasco. Europe is a disaster as we see with the tens of thousands drowing at sea.....the endless European countries bankrupt, the 50%+ youth unemployment across several European nations....the EU hasn't even handed its own accounts in

ps have you actually read the eu constituton? didn't think so

how dare you or anyone from new labour call anyone racist again....the most discriminatory act in the history of this country came from new labour when they illegally murdered 1 million innocent Iraqis and they actually dare to preach about discrimination...new labour should burn in hell for eternity

its not that's a lie

Can you reproduce where Joey suggested they were to blame for ALL the UKs ills?

He said most, and he's not far wrong there is he?

embarrassing post. new labour are distusting murderous lying bigots....the tories have been too slow but now that Europhile clegg is out the tories can take action.....theyre scrapping child benefits going aborad, theyre bringing in 5 yrs to qualify for benefits and paying in national insurance, theyre bringing in a eu referendum, theyre tergetting illegal immigrants harder than ever.....they realise now how out of contro, this is....a city the size of Cardiff arriving on this small island every year is the road to insanity

farage isn't blaming the immigrants hes blaming the eu and the politicians for allowing such enormous net migration

your leftists pals are mostly to blame for trying to ban free speech on the matter....im amazed you ever quote orwell hed have been disgusted by the new labour thought police and their mass censorship and perversion of the English language,,,,,their best tactic was anyone who disagrees with them gets labelled a sexist or a racist or a bigot....new labour were the spawn of satan. evil evil people spinning lies and wages illegal wars against millions of impoverished people

Oh come on, Nigel Farage even tried to blame being late for a meeting in Wales on immigration.

I simply do not like or support the the always negative approach UKIP takes on immigration and to me, and to others,it comes across as deliberate demonisation of immigrants.

They may have valid points,as all parties do,for me they go about it the wrong way,so I have big concerns at their real agenda, of course that is only my view, I could be wrong.
As I have said,I do not myself believe any party has the solutions or right policies as to immigration.

One thing I have to give UKIP is, absolutely they were right to point out that it should not be that anyone coming to the UK can just get benefits paid right off to them.
I also add, no way do I believe either of the main 2 parties would be even now looking at when benefits could be paid to those migrating here,had UKIP not got that at the top of the agenda.
That was a positive criticism of the system UKIP made,no doubt at all as to that.

You aren't being clever Kizzy - not at all. I'm asking a perfectly reasonable question in a polite manner, but OK, pedantics aside, 'most' and 'just abouts' then.

And yes he IS wrong. But it is futile trying to debate that or any other subject with someone like you who constantly uses circular arguments and misrepresentations and who blindly ignores empiric irrefutable evidence which defeats her arguments to still post the same nonsense argument, and who still supports an idiot like Russell Brand despite him being clearly shown to be a total moronic buffoon, liar, and notoriously shameless 'U' Turner.

So I think I'll just wait for Joey's response thank you.

yes. who signed the eu constitution who enslaved us to the eu? who banned us talking about these matters openly? your new labour champagne socialist comrades

I have not a thing I even want to say to you as to any topic, thank you very much.
I told you that yesterday.
The post is not embarrassing to me since I mean all I have said in it but I want no more of your nasty insults.

I don't think that I am naive at all. My area is still 96.8% white british, and yet seems to be one of the most racist and anti-immigration areas in the country.. which proves that it has everything to do with naivety, but to those who actually think we have too many immigrants. People on the local facebook page which has quite a lot of active posters on it, many have said they believe our town is only 40% white now which is very laughable.

Obviously my town is not the only one in England and so I cannot speak for everyone, but I have not yet seen a statistic in which there are more immigrants than "natives".

I don't support New Labour at all by the way.. the new right-wing policies on immigration are very alarming to me. Also in terms of Iraq.. yes that was was disgusting and should never have happened, but it was also mostly Bush who convinced Blair (who I would like arrested) to do all of this. It was racism that led to the war also.

I'll just not reply anymore if you actually think that..

Thank you for responding Joey and for your fairness - especially the emboldened text.

I will agree to disagree on the rest.

Josh, you haven't responded to my post below, but then go on to post the same fallacies in your post above. :shrug:

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshBB

This is so awful, I can't understand how anyone can want to just leave them there.. (@ david cameron).

Seriously though when they're coming here we get tons of xenophobic rhetoric but as soon as an asian country says they're pushing boats away.. everyone is freaking out."
..............................

You really need to delete the words; 'xenophobic' and 'racist' from your dictionaries Josh.

Accepting reality is not being racist or xenophobic; it's recognising the absolutes of Science and Truth- from Economics and Mathematics, to Proxemics and Demographics.

A few points:

1) According to many on here, in the UK we have our OWN increasing numbers of homeless, destitute, desperate and hungry people.

2) So let's imagine that YOU live in the most common type of house - a 3 bed semi.

3) The average Total Floor Area of that 3 bed semi is 96.8 sq m - down from 98.8 sq m over the past 10 years due to shrinking land availability, a dearth of homes, affordability etc.

4) Ignoring Statutory Overcrowding legislation - which deems a room measuring 6.5 square meters as 'suitable' for one person and a room measuring 10.2 square meters as suitable for two people - it is possible for 100 homeless people to shelter from the elements every night in YOUR lovely 3 bed semi alone, by allowing them to sleep on the floor of every room.

Now YOU have SERIOUS problems:

5) The average 3 bed semi has:

a) one bathroom and just 2 toilets for 100 people.
b) one kitchen with one cooker.
c) only three or four sets of bedding.
d) limited pans, plates, crockery etc etc etc.
e) One fridge and freezer.
f) very limited storage.
g) only a couple of TV's.

SOLUTION:

e) Build a massive dormitory bedroom extension
f) Build 6 more bathrooms, 6 more wc's, 6 more kitchens - 6 more of everything.
f) Buy lots more beds, bedding, new sets of clothes for 100 people.
g)But don't forget to incorporate a massive upgrade to the sewers, water supply, electricity and gas - oh and arrange to pay the council for 2 or 3 huge commercial waste skips instead of your old wheelie bin.

NO CAN DO? WHY?

6)Well, the average Garden size of your average semi is just 163,2 sq metres - shrinking from 168 sq m in 1983.

7) Ease of access into this shrinking garden is 93.8% - down from 94% in 1983.

THERE SIMPLY IS NOT ROOM TO EXTEND - but even if there were, YOU have other problems:

YOU HAVE NOT GOT ANY MONEY WITH WHICH TO EXTEND, PUT IN NEW ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE , AND RE-EQUIP:

6) The average household debt is now around £60,000 - up from just £29,000 in 2005.

So YOU want to help but are HELPLESS to HELP because:

A) YOU HAVE NOT GOT THE SPACE.
B) YOU HAVE NOT GOT THE RESOURCES.
C) YOU HAVE NOT GOT THE MONEY.

The UK is in a FAR WORSE position:

This country is overcrowded.
This country is in debt.
This country's Police, Health, Education, Benefits, Social Services, and EVERY OTHER service is STRETCHED to BREAKING POINT.
The majority of this country's indigenous people are living increasingly difficult lives on increasingly limited incomes - an increasingly miserable existence really - with drug, drink, suicide rates up, and Food Banks on the up.

This country CANNOT HELP.

A) WE HAVE NOT GOT THE SPACE.
B) WE HAVE NOT GOT THE RESOURCES.
C) WE HAVE NOT GOT THE MONEY.

It has got nothing to do with 'Xenophobia' or 'Racism' or 'Extreme Right Wing-Ism' but ALL to do with Economics, Mathematics, Proxemics and Demographics.

Unless you show me the 100 homeless sleeping over at yours every night, I will stand by the above.

how can we clampdown on it, when we have the floodgates opened thanks to tony blair, for handing are country over to the scumbags the eussr,

I don't understand the whole math behind your house&garden thing, so I apologise for that.. but I believe that the reason our public services are so damaged is a result of the extreme austerity cuts applied by the tories. Food banks also a result of welfare cuts.

Did you seriously just compare the EU to a dictatorship and totalitarian regime? :laugh:

illegal wars, umpteen countries bankrupt , civil wars erupting, illegal cartels, effectively banning the poorest nations outside Europe from trading, raping the African coastlines, allowing tens of thousands to drown at sea? the end result of the eu dictatorship is starting to resemble that of dictatorships and totalitarian regimes

It was even envisaged as The Fourth Reich, and its architects were Nazis who realised that they were losing the Second World War and that they could not conquer Europe by military means so must do so by Economic means.

Merkells is the NEW Fuhrer.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...kels-tune.html

I was only pointing out you had misquoted him, it's so so annoying when that happens and leads to all kinds of confusion.