Animal Rights
 

What is everyone's opinion on this? We were discussing it in school and a lot of people thought they should have rights when it comes to stuff like animal testing. Most people believed that animals shouldn't be tested on.

I'm the complete opposite, i think animals should 100% be tested on, say they were trying out a new cancer cure medicine? Even with that argument, most still said no which i thought was pathetic.

I personally don't think animals should have any rights in the slightest. Animals don't go fight in a war, they don't own businesses which provide things for people etc. They are just there for people's entertainment and pleasure just like a T.V is, animals should be used as experiments IMO, if it could possibly save people's lives then people shouldn't even think twice.

I think people who are against animal testing etc would think of it differently if a family member of theres' was suffering from cancer and they thought they had a new medicine which could cure them and they had to test it on an animal, would they change there tune then? I think most would but i think you would get the odd few who would still be against it as they are that stupid when it comes to animals.

So, what's your view?

I don't understand anything in this area. Lmao
I'd love to have an opinion, but I don't really.

I think that maybe animals should be tested on, what else are we going to test on.. paper?
I love animals, but when we gotta do it, we gotta do it.

I hate animal testing FULL STOP. :nono:
I dont care if it's a cure for cancer, you still can't one use one life just to cure another. I've seen pictures in school and the stuff they do to animals is just horrific. I feel for them. If they want to test medicine or beauty products, why can't it be done on humans aswell? Equal rights.

Do you eat meat?

Nope.
Lmao Chris I love animals. I would never eat them. I know what you would have said, me eating meat means I'm killing another life. I could NEVER do that. Even them dogs on the news that attack the babies, true they do deserve a punishment, but death shouldn't be an answer.

You eating meat, does not mean your killing another life lmao. Its already dead:puzzled:

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But still, people are killing them for their own benefits.

Yes.. but I think as long as I didnt kill it, its OK!
I would never kill an animal- but I cant live without meat.

People need food to live, that's true. I just dont believe that killing them for it is an answer.

I believe its wrong to have animal crulety but eating meat is just the process of life and its in the food chain unless you are a vegetarian

Equal rights for animals and humans? How do animals make the world a better place? What do animals add to the world other than 'a cute face' (in some cases :laugh:) and a toy for other people? Also, some animals as you said turn on people and kill them... they should be there for testing out new medicine etc which will benefit people and a humans life should always be put first before an animal... afterall, we're the ones fighting a war etc aren't we?

Also, i wouldn't hesitate in killing an animal if i was hungry and needed food, i eat meat all the time so killing one wouldn't bother me.

But as you said it wouldn't bother you. Everyone has different views on this, some people could never kill an animal, but people like you can.
Even if an animal kills a human I still dont think they should be there to test stuff. Then dont know they're killing people do they? They dont know they've just broken the law, do they? (lmao) They live a world completely different to ours, so I dont see how not fighting wars or making a living for themselves makes them vulnerable to us. They cant live a life like us, can they? They can use computers, they cant teach in schools.

there are millions of humans who dont fight in wars, or own businesses or provide for anybody.. so does this mean they dont deserve human rights??

Pets are being looked after and given a good life by owners, rescued from cruelty etc.. My pet is nothing like my TV..

Animal testing is cruel and nothing else!

Bit rude to call people stupid because they disagree with you.

I think for medical purposes, there is a place for animal testing, but let's not forget it isn't foolproof (remember Thalidomide?) Just because something does not have an adverse effect on an animal does not mean that it does not have an adverse effect on a human.


True, animals don't fight in wars, but they don't start them either. Humans start wars, so humans should fight them. Animals are not just here for our entertainment. It is humans who are responsible for taking many animals out of their natural environment, and hunting and poaching them. Who says that humans have the right to do that? And what about the humans who don't fight in wars? What about the humans who don't contribute anything to society? Shall we just do away with all of those as well?:rolleyes:

I won't call you stupid for disagreeing with me though.

Exactly, everything you said they 'can't do' just proves that they are literally useless and the best use for them is for animal testing which could potentially benefit soooo many people in the long run. Animals aren't human so therefore shouldn't be treated as a human IMO and they are so many people who do treate animals as though they are human which isn't right IMO because as you said 'they don't know killing somebody is wrong', er.... and they should still be treated as a human and kept alive to potentially kill more little kids? Do you think keeping them to potentially kill more innocent lives is the right thing to do because they didn't 'know any better'?

If that's the way you feel, and in addition to my earlier post on this thread, why don't you suggest carrying out tests for medical drugs on prisoners who are serving life for murder? They've killed people as well. Sorry Legend, but your whole post is completely illogical.

Yeah, you say it's cruel but you wouldn't sacrifice your pet for animal testing if it meant maybe saving your own or somebody in your families life?

And yeah, obviously not every human is making the world a better place etc but i meant on a whole, people should be put first as on a whole they are so if it's something that could potentially cure medical conditions then it should be done.

its not normally these kind of dogs that are used for testing.. its monkeys and mice and rabbits and guinea pigs usually.. the type that are NOT killers..

I think its so wrong and unbelievably cruel Im totally against it! Ive seen some of the things they do to the animals and its disguisting. There is just no excuse for how they are treated, animal testing is wrong. Humans think they are the most superior on the planet, when really we are the ones destroying the planet and killing off all the wildlife! And they have the cheek to test their drugs on animals as well, it really angers me

exactly, humans are so brilliant that they are ruining the planet!

The world would probably be a wonderful place if humans never existed

I'd be all for that, let them try it out on prisoners who are serving life for murder... i completely agree with doing that but that weren't the argument/debate/whatever i was having today, that hadn't been brought into it so i didn't mention it as it hadn't crossed my mind but i am all for that.

Also, i weren't calling the people who disagreed with me stupid, i thought it was stupid that even if it could cure they're family member or themselves, they still wouldn't agree with it which i personally think is a fair comment as it's a humans life over an animals life; no competition in my eyes. However, i can accept people feel completely different and would rather risk a humans life for an animal. Insane IMO but everyone has their own.

Human life Vs Animal life doesnt come into it.. the majority of testing is for things like mascara!

Yeah, i know that the ones that are usually being tested on are ones that are not killers and yeah i suppose it would be better for it to be animals such as dogs who have killed humans before etc but i'm just saying animals on a whole and like i said Animal Life vs Human Life is no competition for me.

Yeah, so there are some people in the world who are vile, human beings but what about those who aren't? Shouldn't they have the best chance at life, being cured etc...?

And IMO, humans are the most superior on the planet, what does the wilflife do except for look pretty? I'm obviously biased as animals and wilflife don't interest me atall but still, humans are the ones in the world doing it all. Yeah, they're are a lot of vile beings but that's life, i'm talking about the nice people of the world who should be put first before any animal.

you keep saying this animal life V human life??

how will a human die if we dont test a mouse for a new nail polish???

Well, i've no argument for that because i don't wear mascara and i'm not an animal lover so animals or mascara wouldn't benefit me. :laugh: But i was on about testing for medicine and it's that which i'm all for.

I think that animal testing in only justifyable if it is testing to see whether a specific drug or therapy cures a disease which a human will be seriously distressed from and / or die from.
I think that animal testing for cosmetics is completely out of order.

If you look at my post above, i am not talking about all this nail varnish and mascara etc, i'm talking about animal testing for new medicince, illness cures. That's my whole argument. Although i dislike animals anyway, i don't think killing them for a new mascara is right no.

well cosmetics, deoderant. etc etc and it wont stop..

I know what people mean witht he drugs thing but thats not what the testing is about the vast majority of the time!

I posted that before your post above

Yeah and that's fair enough your 100% against it for cosmetics, that's great but i was talking about people who still say no when it comes to medicine; even if it is just the minority of the time.

I know, i was just posting it saves repeating what i had said although i think i did. :hugesmile:

I'm totally against animal testing for cosmetics. I always make sure what I use isn't tested on animals. Though I argee with Ant that if it is vital and finding a cure for a illness that if necessary it shoule be used.

I have the same view as that really, I don't see why animals should be harmed unnecessarily e.g. for cosmetics; but when it comes to a life and death cause for us then obviously it would be beneficial to test on animals.

Well I must be "that stupid" as well.

Every year animals are subjected to experiments so painful and damaging that no one would ever do them on humans. On the other hand, these experiments are mostly done so that humans--and sometimes animals--will suffer less in the future. Deciding on whether or not to do a painful experiment on an animal can be a tough choice I would imagine.

The answer to stopping testing on animals may not be so simple. We need to weigh the benefits of the discoveries scientists hope to make from the research with the costs of making animals suffer. We should be concerned about how animals are treated in research, and we should all work to minimize--if not eliminate--the number of animals who suffer.

British law says that any new drug used for medicine, must be tested on at least two different types of live mammal. One of these must be a large non-rodent type animal.
This is to make sure the drug works and doesn't hurt you. If this is the case I would like to think that they improve the conditions that the animals live in.

Also the issues that need to be thought about are the conditions that they are kept in. Many animals are kept in small cages for their whole lives and are rarely allowed out of them other than for testing to be carried out. Is this fair on them, after all they are the ones that are helping to develop cures for diseases, vaccinations etc yet they are still afforded little if any dignity or quality of life.

In the UK, laws protect all lab animals from cruelty during testing.
Many people who are against animal testing claim that these laws are not being upheld and that animals are still subjected to horrific treatment. If this is the case how can we as an animla loving culture sit back and think "well its ok they are only dum animals" these animals can all feel pain and as someone who has just paid nearly £1,000 to keep my dog alive I feel very strongly about them being afforded some kind of dignity and respect.

Im not very good at these topics beacuse im not clever enough to undertstand the extreems of them, i think animals should only be tested on for medicines, and only using rats.

I think the problem is, most people only care about their precious dogs and cats and not about these poor animals that suffer :mad:

Totally cruel

I hope that you are not implying that I only care about my precious dog? I love my own animal dearly and would spend whatever it took to offer her a good qulaity of life, that said I am an animal lover across the board and have a regular donation goes from my bank account to an animal charity every month so I feel no guilt about being unable to do more.

I do however feel that as a society we are entitled to do as much as we can for our own animals without feeling guilty about other animals, I refuse to feel guilt for something that is completly out of my control

exactly.. My pet is very well looked after, the accusation that we have pets only for or own pleasure is unfair.

if it wasn't for pet owners there would be millions more animals suffering.

I had to quit being a vegetarian recently for health reasons:sad:
The doctor said I would be hospitalised if I carried on
But I only eat turkey and chicken, and I refuse to eat pork, lamb and beef.
But I will go back on the diet when I'm older and it was the hardest thing for me to give up.

There are two sides with animal testing.. One is that we would probably die if we didnt have animals to test medication and pills. the other is that it's cruel. The animals have no choice, they are forced into it.

Fur is a real issue with me. It's discraceful how these animals are treated they are beaten and skinned alive to be used for fashion. I have seen tapes and they just make me sick. It should be BANNED.

Animal testing is wrong is any cicumstance, its just evil, It needs to become illegal..Full stop.