Helen - Now and then
 

What are your feelings on Helen now and what were they during her own series?

Pretty much the same, never thought much of her, but she did deserve to win IMO. My main dislike for her came from the fact that she was instantly in the final, I did not like that one bit and found it massively unfair, but that wasn't her fault.

She seems more tolerable when I think we only have a week of her though :laugh:

Hated her then and hate her now.

I'm going to find this week hard to watch. She just angers me so much :laugh:

Disliked her then and still do.

Helen would have gone in week three or four last year without her immunity pass.
NOT a worthy winner.
She is even worse now as she thinks she is something special as she won.
A truly horrible human being.

Pretty much this^

This week is going to be the Helen show.

She lacks social skills and awareness. I really wish they hadn't brought her back:nono:

Didn't like her then and i don't like her now

liked her then, like her now (sorry :wavey:)

Never liked her (apart from launch night before we saw how awful she is), never will like her.

She was a vicious bully then and nothing has changed now. One of the worst winners ever.

Out of The final two last year, she was my winner.
Really do not like her attitude so far as a leg end.

Didn´t like her then, won´t like her ever.

I dont mind her, she speaks her mind as she see's it. Sometimes she is right in what she says & sometimes she is not.

Used to like her, now hate her.

...I didn't like her especially toward the end of the last series because of how spiteful she was but was fine with her winning because I genuinely thought that she may have 'gone on a journey' and look back at vids and her behaviour etc and how she speaks to people and judges them but she doesn't seem to have so I guess there is no 'excusing' this time for me and she's just a mean spirited person who has no reason to be/she has a child/earns good money etc and has every reason to not feel bitter but still does and is....although she bothers me less now because she will only be there for a short while and isn't a housemate...

..yeah I would agree Ellen that I think she's sometimes and can be right about some things but even when she is..?...too often and mostly the way she says those things and her behaviour in a situation also make her wrong...

Indeed Ammi :love:

I think that far too much emphasis is placed on what she says... it's crazy.
So what if she doesn't like someone, the rest of the house have free will to make up their own minds don't they?
It's not her fault if people agree with her they must feel the same, however she says it makes no odds to me. Personally I prefer plain speaking types to snidey wheedling manipulation it's no different in my eyes and has the same effect ultimately.

Yeah i can see that, fair point. There is not much sugar coating with her thats for sure.

There's a difference between 'plain-speaking' and being a twat, Helen's the latter, not the former.

Pretty much. :clap1:

Exactly. Giving Jale the nickname "slugworth" is not plain speaking, it's being a nasty bully, same as calling Christopher a wasp and laughing at him in corners with a group of friends as he walks by etc etc

...yeah I don't even think it's about sugar coating so much tbh, but more being more socially aware of boundaries and what's acceptable and what isn't and she's really in a lot of ways like child who 'reacts' to something that maybe it would be understandable to react to but not the way in which they have, so have to have that explained to them as well as listening to their point...it's like a 'basic' thing that most people just know but that she just doesn't seem to or totally disregards because she wants to do and act how she wants to ...so her 'being right' or her point etc is lost in her behaviour and isn't that often the way with children...

..I guess the most 'childlike' thing she's done was last years..I'm always in the right, always in the right, always in the right..and on and on etc..'...speech...

..:love:...so few words as well..:laugh:...

I mean 'plain speaking' as in her choice of language and/or delivery, yes some see it as common, uncouth, rude, loud yet essentially what she says is no better or worse in many cases than other housemates, it's seized upon because she's such a huge character.
Personally I feel Joel is a twat for his drip, drip of offensive remarks about other hms and his condescending tone in conversations... it's all relative.

Well no, you can be plain speaking without being offensive. Chloe is very plain speaking but she doesn't feel the need to tell people to die or hurl abuse at people every five seconds. People aren't 'seizing' up on her because she's a huge character, they're doing it because she's a vicious bullying twat.

It's not relative, Helen is a disgusting human being and you mistake 'honesty' for being a twat. You can be honest, plain speaking, forward whatever without being a hateful bitch. Helen's just a twat, nothing more nothing less.

Beautifully put :')

It's seized upon because she's such a huge hypocrite.

And Nikki... what of her 'childlike' outbursts are they vilified in equal measure would you say?
I wouldn't say they are, in fact they're seen as a positive and legendary way it's quite odd.

Nikki is harmless, Helen is not.

Liked her then, still like her now.

This

..Dezzy..:love:..

Hmmm I'm not feeling Chloe as plain speaking really at the moment she's gone a bit mousy and is happiest blending in.
Yes words like twat, bitch and disgusting human being are fine but they don't mean anything they're just random insults, a bit like the helenisms you despise.

A vile spiteful bitch, always has been, always will be

It's not just justification because nikki is popular then? She was quite offensive to trans Sam in her series and was warned for her outbursts remember? she can be as rude when she wants.

she was a scabby ***** back then, now she's just a *****.

Lol?

You seriously aren't comparing me commenting on Helen's behavior to Helen herself? She's a bully, I'm simply commenting on the fact that she is a bully and that, in the past and now, she has done everything she can to alienate a belittle anyone she dislikes. This is a woman that outs people on Twitter and brands people she dislikes peadophiles. She isn't honest or straight speaking, she's just a evil toxic little bully and I truly do not understand how anyone can be so blind as to defend her actions.

I have to admit, while we disagree on our views of Helen I do agree about Nikki.

She's nowhere near as awful as Helen, but she did contribute to the Shahbaz nastiness in BB7. Helen's on a totally different level, but Nikki wasn't a saint in her original series, it's just that her nastiness is overlooked by most.

One incident doesn't mean much when she's been harmless since. I think suggesting she's transphobic is a bit of a joke too. She just didn't gel with Sam, if she was a transphobe then she wouldn't have got on with Nadia no? She wouldn't speak of her so highly.

Helen's been a vicious hypocritical hag since she walked into the house last year and nothing has changed.