Brian vs Helen
 

Who's side are you on?

Personally, team Brian 100% :clap1:

Brian all the way!

Everything Brian has just said in the diary room about Helen & Marc is true.

Brian. Cannot stand Helen. Foul mouthed bitch.

Brian and it shouldn't even be a question.

Love that he wanted Chloe to have her word and then wouldn't shut his mouth.

Brian. Helen the bike has some nerve talking about respect.

Brian but going against Helen would automatically put him above her anyway

Obviously Helen.

Brian's pretty much the voice of the audience. Helen's just a bullying bitch.

Helen is really making me despise Marc.

Brian over that vile cretin

Brian I liked but not anymore he's a dick head up that Jack's arse he one crazy nutter.

I don't even know what the argument was about tbh.

But Brian was right to defend Chloe when she was crying.

Just that argument alone Brian didn't just overreact but reacted to something that didn't even happen #sorrynotsorry. Helen clearly wasn't 'picking' on Chloe in that argument. Someone had to be nommed and that's the game.

this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brian is a sly hypocrite.

Helen, Brian completely overreacted to the situation imo, they didn't say anything bad to Chloe, nor were they picking on her, they were trying to explain the nomination further and he decided to jump in to try and cash in on the nations hatred of Helen.

I get how Brian wanted Chloe to have her say, but what a hypocrite. He was one of the first who suggested that they put Chloe up. I just think ne needed an excuse to have a good old rant at Helen and Marc, tbh.

This.

I was always a bit 'meh' about Brian before, but I really like that he stands up to that ******.

THIS

Brian was the first to suggest her and please who does he think he is... talking about them turning up to the opening of an envelope like hes some A lister

I actually dont mind the guy but that argument was so contrived and for once she and Marc didnt really do much wrong.

How does that make Brian a hypocrite? His main reason for being upset was that Helen and Marc kept telling Chloe how boring and undeserving she was to the point where she was in tears.

I don't think it was his main reason at all. If you listened to his chat with Jack in the storeroom, he brought up things that had happened in the bunker and didn't have anything to do with Chloe. Chloe's nomination was just the tip of the iceberg.

Both were right in parts however Helen was just being Helen, this is how she is and she was right in that they went in with a job to do as to nominations and they should all stand by them.

Brian for me made himself look foolish in how he was going on and if he really feels he has not had the input he should have, then he should have said so before the nominations were done, and then refused to be part of them.
He didn't do so, also if he really wanted to leave after only 4 days in the house after being selected from probably lots of ex housemates,then he should have just insisted on walking out the door and not stayed in the bunker.

So they both had right points as to what they were saying but Brian way overreacted in my opinion.

Brian 100%. I'd be on Hitler's side if it was him vs Helen

Helen is a moron
brian did over react but theyd driven him mad for days

STRANGE Argument.
Helen and marc had been getting on brians verves for days
it was cruel how marc worded it to chole, it was too personal imo
this business about picking...........BRIAN SAID I WE DONT LET CHLOE HAVE THE CHANCE TO TALK THEN WERE JUST PICKING ON HER

WE


that means he included himself.


Helen simply doesn't listen and o course lacks compassion etc

I don't see how it's hypocritical that he suggested for her to be up. Just because he originally thought she should be nominated doesn't mean he can't defend her and comfort her when she's upset

Helen was definitely on the right on this. It's so obvious that Brian checked out Helen's Twitter before coming in. He's going off the same old talking points (ie. She picks on people, blah blah)and is obviously taking the high road here. Helen might be a bitch but she did nothing wrong. Both Helen and Marc were trying to make the point that she didn't need to be upset because there's nothing wrong with her. They were definitely trying to console her whereas I don't think Brian gave a damn about what Chloe was going on about. He just wanted an excuse to out Helen since he's a complete and utter pushover and can't do it without an audience. Jack must have picked up on this too which is why he ran after Brian instead of sitting with Chloe as Helen pointed out. Helen only started to kick off once Brian brought up her being a bully which of course she's sensitive about considering all the **** she got last season.
In fact, the ones who really looked bad in this were the housemates who were upset about what Chloe said. I really don't understand what was offensive about her identifying interesting things about everyone. She was just trying to explain that she's really confused about why she keeps getting called boring and considered that maybe other people have more depth to them. It was supremely bitchy of Danny to complain about that considering they're all supposed to be good friends.

Both was pathetic from what I'm hearing.

..it's not really up to Helen and Marc to decide whether she needed to be upset or not though..it's whether someone is upset and Chloe was, which was what Brian was being considerate to and saying to give her, her voice which they weren't doing...the thing with Helen especially is that she's never been nominated, has no idea how it feels and I know that every housemate will react differently to nominations but she has no thought at all for that...the same with Harry when she went all 'huffy'...maybe that was an overreaction..?...that was how she was with it..but these nominations are slightly different to others in that in a way it's not just being nominated by fellow housemates but also with the exes coming in, it's also feeling that the public have nominated you as well because they could be basing their nominations on public popularity or lack of....so a lot for Chloe to absorb and feel 'rejected' with which Brian was showing consideration for as well....

[QUOTE=Shamdamdoobaley;7892522]Helen was definitely on the right on this. It's so obvious that Brian checked out Helen's Twitter before coming in. He's going off the same old talking points (ie. She picks on people, blah blah)and is obviously taking the high road here.

- They may be talking points but they are true up to a point. I agree brians rant was partly pent up rage over his frustration in the den. I also think marc was the one dishes the pain tactlessly to chloe. though as a pair marc and Helen can be overly mean.

Helen might be a bitch but she did nothing wrong. Both Helen and Marc were trying to make the point that she didn't need to be upset because there's nothing wrong with her. They were definitely trying to console her

I don't really agree, the reasons given by marc went beyond a nomination they were slating her entire personality as dull as dishwater, which must have hurt a lot


whereas I don't think Brian gave a damn about what Chloe was going on about.

I half agree half disagree, brian always backs the underdog. he did it in his year as BB champ and he did it with harry and chloe. when he saw her being insulted and talked over it opened up the pain hed had in the den too. 4 days 24 hours a day with Helen marc and nikki would be like 4 years


He just wanted an excuse to out Helen since he's a complete and utter pushover and can't do it without an audience.


he did stand up to them a little in the den but he was outnumbered by marc and Helen love in. hes not a pushever but hes not a naturally confrontational person and it goes against his nature. Helen and marc thrive on arguments and it never upsets them.

Jack must have picked up on this too which is why he ran after Brian instead of sitting with Chloe as Helen pointed out. Helen only started to kick off once Brian brought up her being a bully which of course she's sensitive about considering all the **** she got last season.

that's wrong. Helen kicked off wrongly as she usually does by not listening , by exaggerating and getting the wrong end of the stick. brian said if WE don't let chloe the chance to speak then WE are picking on her....WE.....not Helen but we so he included himself and probably the whole den of 4 in that WE. Helen totally missed that as usual
In fact, the ones who really looked bad in this were the housemates who were upset about what Chloe said. I really don't understand what was offensive about her identifying interesting things about everyone. She was just trying to explain that she's really confused about why she keeps getting called boring and considered that maybe other people have more depth to them. It was supremely bitchy of Danny to complain about that considering they're all supposed to be good friends

I agree. to take offence at what chloe said was pathetic really, and missed the whole point

With all the **** she got last series, someone with an ounce of self-reflection would've maybe thought to change their ways. Of course Helen is incapable of self-reflection or empathy or any qualities that a normal human being has.

Brian, obvs.

...she also has never been put into a position of experiencing being nominated and it is a type of 'rejection' whether it be a game or not...wich I think did not help with the 'journey' that she never seemed to have last year...

...obvs...

It doesn't help that the show has basically decided to rewrite history and act like Helen won because she was loved for being raw n real and telling it how it is, and not just because made the final due to a twist and then got a random wave of sympathy votes as a result of people being bored with the other options.

it was just the final straw for Brian. It may seem like he over reacted, but not after taking the last couple of days in to account. I'm a Helen supporter, but Brian is just trying to be decent, and I would support his view point any day of the week

...I don't mind that the exes have been put in, in some ways but I think it's wrong that they have been given a say in nominating, well the say really because even if Marc disagreed with him, they would be the majority if they all agreed on someone...because that should only be either other housemates to decide or the public...regardless of them being past housemates..it's like putting a member of the public in with their own favourites/least liked and saying...you choose...

brian is hypocrite, so helen all the way..

Totes!

..scalping...