Throwing Cristian and Jack "under da bus"
 

When he grassed to Helen and Marc about Cristian's cryptic comments he essentially got unconsciously uncoupled from Cristian's friendship. Did you see Live From BB House last night. They were sat together but Cristian's body language said it all. Joel might as well take up residency in Marc's backside, there's plenty of it.

I spotted what Joel did last night after BB said Cristian was to choose the next nomination,for the first time in days Joel left Marcs side and sat at the side of Cristian, sly little pratt

Glad im not the only one who noticed this

Really like Joel needs to get out of Marc's ass though and quick

I cannot bear him,he's one sly,sneaky swine and would do ANYTHING to win,for Mummy

Joel..The Great Brown Noser.
He is so transparent. I doubt it will have gone unnoticed.

Same awful slimy creep .

Wish someone would.

Slimy politician in the making

The same Cristian and Jack who count themselves as part of a "four" that doesn't include Joel, yet they're first in line to dictate to him who he should count as his friends?

If he did throw them under a bus, good.

Jack couldn't fit under a bus :fan:

I'm sure David Cameron is very proud of him.
Typical Tory, throwing people under the bus to get what they want.
A Prime Minister in the making :fist:

Although he didn't I kind of wished he did, their ambiguous 'know who your real friends are' nonsense is beyond irritating, either say what you mean, or don't say anything at all, Cristian was purposely trying to make Joel paranoid with that and it wasn't nice.

Ideal MP

Exactly. If you've got something to say, come out and say it or shut the **** up, quite frankly. :idc:

I've never liked joel, hes always seemed sly to me just like has been said, typical tory MP.and wot he did last night was real underhand. hope everyone.notices soon cos joel seems to be at/near top of liked polls every week. doesnt deserve to be

Definitely noticed he was creeping around Cristian again when it became apparent he was going to nominate. cristian wasn't wrong in saying that they were very friendly. You only have to look back at the clips of them together to see that and Joel did distance himself from him and instigated the conversation about Cristian changing. I thought Cristian handled it very well to be honest because I think he genuinely thought of him as a friend in there and couldn't understand why he had stopped talking to him. I think Joel is actually very sly.

Yep, he's got the makings of a politician.

Well his Mum did kiss & thank Marc.. the poor lad is confused now ... does he go with a group he's only known for a few weeks or follow his Mum ?? ..he follows his Mum of course ..cant blame him for that.

Joel to win

Yes, but he will have to learn a lot more,other than just repeating the Tory Propaganda he has had pushed at him on the news or in the Tory Biased Media.

& then he got made out to be a genius for it,makes you wonder,should we allow some people to still be allowed to vote

considering how Uneducated they are about Politics and when they don't realise Joel

was just a first time naive voter who only repeated Tory Propaganda they have repeated over

and over in their Media outlets for ages pre election.

As they all do, Joel has the right to express his surprise and dismay when people get at him for doing nothing wrong.
All Cristian was getting at him for was because he talked to some Cristian would rather he didn't.

Who Joel talks to or who he sits with is nothing at all do to with Cristian or Jack.
Joel has from day one, talked to anyone who talks to him.

Also Joel was fair, when Helen challenged Cristian,saying Joel had said his name, Cristian went with her to Joel who instantly said, he had never said Cristian mentioned Helen's name.

What is maybe annoying Cristian and Jack is that Joel is one of the most amiable people in there and also one of the most honest too.

I also haven't liked the new Cristian,he is looking really silly in fact.
Like Joel I wish he would get back to how he was before as well.

All fair points Joey. The one thing I would have liked to have seen would have been Joel taking Cristian to one side to discuss it. I thought it was a little out of character for Joel to go to Helen with his concerns.

I thought Joel might have taken it up with Cristian, thinking Joel would have wanted to understand more about why Cristian was saying what he did.

Well he tried to really Visage, when Cristian was saying it in the bathroom,he did ask him to explain what he meant and what/who he was on about but Cristian walked away and out of the bathroom after he asked that.

It is not,to be fair,in my view anyway, then for Joel to have to follow on to find him and play to his ego when Crustian had already walked away refusing to engage in any more conversation with him.

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I love this new more vocal Cristian. :clap1:

Oh...

I seem to be forgetting some of the scenes here, that went completely over my head. My apologies then. So much is happening that I really did overlook that one.

:joker: Easy to overlook things.
I miss loads that goes on.

It actually would have probably sounded daft and petty had Cristian said what he was likely really meaning.
That he feels Joel should only mix with his group and not mix and talk to Helen and/or some others.

I have friends who hate some of my other friends, no one would ever get away with telling me I should not mix or talk to both sets of friends however.

It is for all the housemates to decide who, they mix with and talk to for themselves, and when they choose to do so too.

As I say,I like Cristian but he has made himself look rather silly these last few days in my opinion,and telling anyone else who they can or should talk to is way out of line really.

Joel is a brown noser. Always follows whoever he thinks is most popular. Not genuine and not even that nice. I don't like him.

Tend to agree. He is very sneaky.

he can be quite funny, but Cristian is right not to trust him.

Well that is fine,however in my view not correct, I don't think he does follow who he thinks is popular.

I like him so look at him differently from you obviously but one thing is sure, I certainly would never put up with anyone telling me,not even my closest of friends or family, who I could talk to or who I should mix with.

Those are decisions I will make for myself and as I said Joel should be able to do the same in there, he doesn't go around telling Cristian not to talk to Jack for instance.
All he has said is he doesn't the Cristian of the last few days,I like Cristian, I wouldn't mind him winning still, however I don't like this Cristian of the last few days either.

That is just different opinions I guess but I have never seen Joel really brown nose anyone to be honest.
He generally gets on with near all of them and from day one too.
He isn't however Cristian and Jack's possession.

To be honest I didn't see it like that at all. I think he was just trying to tell him not to disassociate himself with people that had been his friends. I didn't hear him say that he thought Joel shouldn't be associating with any of the others. Joel and Cristian had been really good friends and very close and I think he just wanted to know why he had suddenly started ignoring him for no reason.

It's crazy sometimes, because I literally see what I want to see and totally miss something that could potentially alter my opinion.

Yes, when you put it in simple terms it does make him look a little childish.



True, but it adds another spark to the drama :D

It happens though, I have been out with a large group of friends and some get the view you are avoiding them when you aren't.
Joel told Cristian he wasn't ignoring him and Jack.

The house has a lot of people in it, a lot going on, arguments here and there,some not too bad some ridiculously so.

You cannot just be around all the same people all the time.

I think maybe as you indicate, Cristian feared the loss of Joel's friendship,I don't think he will lose that unless he pursues this route of trying to tell Joel what to do.
That house does the craziest of things to people and you have to find the best coping mechanism you can while in there.
That is all, I think anyway, that Joel and in fact many of them are doing.
No rejection really intended to past and close friendships/connections.

I find him funny at times, but i just don't think he can be trusted.

Joel is a odd housemate , don't thing I have ever seen him bakc stab anyone in the house (like jack said 😠

He was just confused , he just wanted other ,on the early topic

But Cristian went crazy for no reason, Jack joining get Helen bag wagon

(This is just my opinion, that they are making Helen look good )

If I was Joel shows I wonder I done same but would I put jack under the train instead of the bus lol