Democratic Media is what we need first ?
 

The Tory Media totally lied and conned their way to get what their rich owners and the Tories wanted,this election.Most voters are Uneducated in Politics and most aren't interested,hence are easily led by these lies in the Tory Media.

I've been trying to get a Campaign For A Genuinely Democratic Media going on Facebook.

We have to stop the media being so biased to the Tories,stop journalists having to obey their rich owners and print what they want at election time and have to stop them denying voters seeing information about the Tories at election time.

Otherwise,we will always get Tory like Govt cos the Uneducated Large Minority who decide elections will always vote on average with what the Tory Papers tell them to avoid having to look more into it as most aren't interested in Politics.

It is crucial we create a Truly Democratic Media in the ways I said above and vital we stop that large minority being conned to vote the way the Rich Owners of the Press and the Tories want every election.

Unless we do that,all the other protests will be ignored and or lied about by the Media

as so many have been before over the years,

we need to change the Media first to get the sort of Media where not always having Tory like Govt is possible

to be able to have the right kind of MP s in house to get the legislation passed for the changes we want in the other Campaigns ?

Media is HUGELY tory-biased. It's all owned by Murdoch.

How about the leftie BBC? What's their excuse?

One way to stop having now an endless run of Conservative govts is to chop off the far South East,South and South West of England and let them govern themselves.

After this election, that area is now almost a totally one party,(Conservative), state, an area totally at odds with all other areas of England, and also Wales and Scotland too.

For as long as that affluent far South are looked after by Conservative govts while all other areas are near dismissed by them,little will change.
The media are a disgrace across the board and I wish you luck in getting any change as to the media.

I can see nothing changing for some time now because now I see no party that can really break through enough in the bastion that is capitalist Conservative country which is in effect only the far South.
The area and voters who now get to dictate to the whole of the rest of the UK which is the rest of England and the 3 other Nations that make up the UK.

the bbc are the most left wing nutjobs on the planet ....theyre a laughing stock

So leftie that they've hardly reported on these anti-austerity protests

That just because they are not interesting news I am afraid:shrug:

It is unbelievable that people can take to the streets and march against these cuts and get little in the way of 'balanced' publicity for same.

ironically, if this was a Labour govt, it would be all over the front pages and on all main news too, with the added claims of it all being a disgrace that such cuts were being made and people feeling forced to take to the streets.

All that is needed is real news,which is about happening events being reported,accurately and balanced.
These marches taking place in big cities of the UK should be 'news'.

As you point out,the marches have been more or less ignored and I cannot say I see much left wing bias on the BBC either.

There is no left wing bias from the BBC that's why Joey.
Even the Guardian deserted us during the election I thought.

Most people get their news from television (BBC, ITV and C4 mainly), and Internet news sites rather than the papers.

I often find out what is going on in the world from Arista's posts on here. :)

the numbers are small compared to the millions protesting against new labour

studies found bbc has a massive liberal left bias...a state owned tv station is always left wing biased...they carry over 66% of left wing stories compared to the right

there are loads of left wing outlets including some broadsheets
left wing liberal drivel is easy guff to spout to make oneself look good and get cheap easy votes off idealistic impressionable young people....when they grow up they realise the lies the superficiality the waste the corruption the kronyism the endless cover ups and destruction of civil liberties an free speech.....in short under new labour the numbers never added up and they ran out of other peoples money

most people get their news from real life, I know I do and real life is where millions breed for benefits and the elite 1% get away with corporate crimes and the working people in the middle pay for everything

This 66% figure.. what is your source? I find that very difficult to believe.

Also "millions are protesting new labour" but where are they at? I don't see any protests that huge.

The best interests of the BBC are to appease whichever government is in power at that moment in time. And that is what they tend to do.

are you serious? the anti new labour, anti Iraq war march was the biggest in british history .. and they still went and bombed a million innocent Iraqis all based on a pack of lies ....oh I forgot new labour re invented the English language, so it wasn't lies anymore it was spin....as orwell predicted , they perverted words of their meaning as a way of abusing their power

..haha, actually I often do as well, if I see something/a news story that I think would be interesting for the forum, I always think...oh, Arista will have seen that and already have the thread so I'll go see what's going on there....

You talk Rubbish

He does not Own the Daily Mail , Daily Express, Daily Telegraph
or BBC Worldwide (who now supply BBC America shows
on our own BBCNews HD , so not paid for by the UK public ,
like their new travel show)

If the marches happened yesterday, how could they possibly be in the papers until today:shrug:
I think people are so used to having instant news on the Internet they forget the printing presses are working overnight, it was obviously reported on the Internet otherwise we would not have seen the pictures, so hardly no coverage.
There has been mention in both the BBC news and the papers this morning.

Where and how are they reported? I've had a look at the Telegraph attempt, it only strengthens the OPs argument.

Yesterday Jeremy Corbyn was interviewed Live on SkyNewsHD
and BBC NewsHD also covered some interviews,
but did not get in close like SkyNewsHD did.

I would like to have ITV News ch , back
but they can not fund it

Yes that is true, however get a scandal story of an MP or celebrity and that will be discussed at length on the day with likely interview of this person and that person as to the events.
Not only on the day it is revealed and for days afterwards too.

This scandal of making cuts to likely large numbers of the sick,disabled and most vulnerable of peoples benefits,gets very little attention.
I struggled to find much of it yesterday,very little as to talking to the organisers of the marches across the UK as well,not just in the capital London.

I think this govt is wrong to pursue this policy of so much cutting so quickly too,thankfully, I know there are Conservative MPs who are a little dismayed this is being brought into play so soon and with such determination to stick to the 12 billion figure of cuts too.
I hope they will find their conscience and help vote this down as much as they can or back amendments to the legislation.

I hoped with a small overall majority and less than 37% of the vote, the Conservatives would in some humility, accept this may be a step too far, clearly Osborne is now going to support the rotten plans of Ian Duncan Smith again who it seems has won the day on these cuts again.

I was prepared to hope for better and give this govt the chance to amend its hardline as to these cuts for the most vulnerable.
If they go ahead and get them through parliament, which is not certain by any means,however if they do implement them as stated, then I really hope they get strongly slung out next time.

I saw the devastation the last round of severe cuts brought to people really ill,people with incurable illnesses, terminal illnesses, people losing benefits who had cancer even.
The absolute cruelty to those losing benefits who were mentally ill was and should be a National disgrace.

I don't, and some Conservative MPs don't either, believe George Osborne wanted to go ahead with these vile and more severe cuts again in full but it is Ian Duncan Smith,who it seems is getting his way again.

Before they start making cuts, they should be looking at the disastrous change from DLA to PIP, where people are having to wait anything from 6 months to much longer just to be told if they are getting it or will be moved to it.
Sort that mess out first,because all I can see from these cuts again is more being spent on implementing same, and then paying back backdated benefits as those affected eventually ,after almost a year, win their appeals on same too.

This is what the marchers should be highlighting and it is what the media also should be learning from the marchers too, and not always just accept that these things have to be done to clear a deficit.

A deficit that needs to be cleared but it does not and never has needed to be cleared in a period of 5 to 10 years.
There could have been modest plans to bring down the deficit year on year,not by severe cuts but by growth and let the deficit fizzle out over a period of 15 to 20 years and then not needing to inflict great problems and cruel cuts to sick and disabled people.
People who any govt of any party, actually should be protecting not cruelly making life harder for.

That is what we should be hearing from all media as to such marches,not the scant mention they have given it both yesterday and today.

Ian Duncan Smith, is wrong,sadly this PM backs him despite David Cameron's words of wanting more compassion after the election.
I would not have Ian Duncan Smith cleaning a toilet,never mind let him loose to decide the incomes and rules for people in the UK who are sick,disabled and most vulnerable.

He really must have something on David Cameron to have presided over such chaos the last 5 years as to Universal Credit,the change to ESA and the appeals he has lost and then DLA to PIP too and the cruel delays of even getting the decision of a PIP claim.
Then after all that chaos plus the bedroom charge, which has likely cost the govt more to do than what it has saved,he remains in his job as work and pensions secretary.

I hoped for better,glad I didn't expect it,it is why I could not support this lot,it seems despite all the wording of more understanding in Cameron's speeches, that they are sadly just empty words from him.
All that is coming, is the same vindictive policies against the weakest in society again,which has been there for the last 5 years now and policieswhat we were told in 2010, would in fact be all over now.
Now it seems,wrongly in my view, another 4 to 5 years of the same and maybe even worse again.

I hope many more marches take place against these cuts once they come before Parliament and I hope many more people get behind them and support the moves against such cuts.
I will for sure be on any march against this govt as to these cuts.
I think the cuts they are planning again this time,are inhumane and should have no place in any so called decent society.

This post is made of irony because you're doing g exactly the same thing. Using "spin" to fit your agenda. The march was anti-war, and labour happened to be the government of the day. The march was not "anti-labour" as you are choosing to skew it. Had there been a conservative government in power at the time, the war would still have happened, the bombings would still have happened, the protests and marches would still have happened.

This notion that the Iraq war would not have happened - or that the UK wouldn't have been involved - if it wasn't for Blair and New Labour is just absolute nonsense. There are wheels that turn in this world that are unstoppable. The individuals who happen to be in "power" at the time are inconsequential.

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what a load of disgusting shameful disingenuous lies. no one know if CAMERON and his party would have lied the way blair and new labour did that cost a million innocents to die. not even Cameron haters can lay blame for the illegal Iraq war on him. all the warmongers in new labour who supported this illegal invasion so vociferously with their lies should all be in prison. as for your who is in power is inconsequential? so tories being in power now is inconsequential to the austerity cuts? no? you new labour lot pick and choose and ignore the disasters your party causes. the blood of a million innocent Iraqis will forever be on new labours grubby lying hands

Yet another thread derailed? Lets see the outcome of the decision whether Mr Duncan Smith is to be held accountable for the deaths of the poor, disabled and mentally ill due to his welfare reforms.
I notice the PM has promised to protect child benefit and pensions as they push ahead with the proposed cuts, he says nothing of such protections for disability benefits however...

Not sure how many times I have to inform you that I'm not a labour supporter? And of course we can know that the Tories would have gone to war, Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with domestic politics :joker:. And they all lick from exactly the same dog bowl at the end of the day. Every last stinking one of them.

youre wrong again. Many mps voted against the war. but your new labour leader tony bliar lead the way with his endless lies and spin doctors and corrupt new labour liars. try and show more honesty , sympathy and empathy for the 1 million plus innocent dead iraqis:nono:

do you have links to the tories taking away lots of legitimate disability benefits? Id be genuinely interested to read that. I don't care about the welfare caps for healthy families. in fact the child benefits should only be paid in vouchers. but disabled sick and mentally ill are TOP OF THE PRIORITIES imo that's what the welfare state is for , not scroungers who breed for benefits , they are vermin who are inadvertently steal from the deserving recipients

It's not my fault that you buy into the delusion that your vote has any meaningful impact on global politics :shrug:. It doesn't. But if continuing to believe that it does makes you feel less powerless then I guess that's fine. Have fun with that.

I didn't say that, youre lying again

You think that a non-labour government would have prevented the Iraq war when it wouldn't. It had nothing to do with Blair. It happened because it was scheduled to happen and Blair and Co made excuses for it because they had to find a way to try to justify it, as would whichever government had been in power in the UK, the US and any other involved nation at the time.

I'm not making excuses for them. Like I said they all lick from the same dog bowl. They are all scum. They are all parasites. None of them are worth anyone's vote, it's a charade designed to further the illusion of choice and appease the masses.

I disagree with the extremity of your conclusion , though I share some of your despair and cynicism. I do think blair was a whole other level of evil though. He was a stupendously corrupt dishonest disingenuous man. He IS responsible for the lies that lead to the extinction of 1 million innocents.
However I also believe there is some goodness in some politicians amongst the parliaments. Though clearly the entire system is broken unfit for purpose. I would also add its vital not just to look at parliament, but closer to home we must scrutinise far closer the corruption at councils...we have over obsessed on parliament at times and the odd pervert in the churches, the local councils impact peoples lives far more as does corruption and cover ups in the private and public sectos...but for all the 1000s of failed politicians there is the odd neu bevan and Lloyd George to whom we should all have some eternal gratitude for.

What does indeed make Blair "evil" is the fact that I don't think he really cared much about what was happening. However, I think he did care more than Mr Bush which is something at least. He occasionally looked very drained whereas Bush never had anything less than a jaunty spring in his step.

meh...its like comparing crap with puke
on one hand you can say blair was lead, on the other hand you could say as a more intelligent educated man blair should have known better....bush was just moronic red necked warmonger. blair should have known better, he is the one who provided the dodgy dossier and all the lies and spin that went with it. hes a sub human war criminal as is bush