would you rather look like a murderer or be the spawn of Satan?
 

I'm just asking ... to me..one seems a bit more offensive

I would rather someone call me the Spawn of Satan lol It's less cutting than saying someone looks like a violent criminal. Spawn of Satan sounds like a joke insult since there's no such thing as Satan or presumably his spawn

well there a quiet a few Christians who would disagree with your claiming there is no Satan and wouldn't think it much of a joke..

personally i think "look like"... is far less of an incitement then "are" ...

Wouldn't be to fussed with either really. But I don't take namecalling and such seriously. When people start rubbish like that I literally laugh in their faces, which is the most effective way of dealing with it because it riles them more :D

bearing in mind murderers can be children, woman, men, oaps, welsh people etc then its hardly a massive insult

Some murderers are cute.

Certainly wouldn't mind looking like Ted Bundy for example.

You look like violent criminal is pretty bad still.......

I'm sure there are some Christians who believe in Satan but the question you asked was "would you rather look like a murderer or be the spawn of Satan?" And I personally don't believe in Satan so that was my answer.....

Also depends which murderer. Wouldn't mind looking like one of these

http://whatculture.com/offbeat/10-be...-killers.php/2

lol She clearly meant he looked deranged though :laugh:

To a very religious person with a strong belief being identified with Satan would be the worst possible insult they could get.

My Grandmother was when alive and most of my family are still devout Roman Catholics, if anyone said that to them they would be crushed absolutely.

Whether people are religious or not, or whether people have a faith or not,they should be careful the terms they use around people they don't know.
When Aisleyne blurted that out,they were all there.

I found it equally as inappropriate as Helen's to Brian, a complete lack of consideration for all others present, known to the person or not known to them.
Another difference was Helen's indefensible comment to Brian was made in anger, Aisleyne's was made while very calm.

Helen is an awful person but there are for me now 3 of them awful in there, Helen, Aisleyne and Nikki.
Shocking examples from all those 3 and Brian too, to the other housemates,whose series this really is and who it should be about.
Not these supposed grown adults, who have had their time on BB, settling scores with each other.

Yes, was a strange turn of phrase to use...would have been much easier (and less fuss) to just say deranged rather than being utterly awful about it. Then again, apparently psycho and such are terrible insults, so deranged would probably be the same :laugh:

mmm I think Helen is an expert at really cutting insults. Like I think if we're being totally honest here saying to a man during an argument that he looks like a rapist is as bad as you can get because he's going to start getting paranoid that maybe other people will start thinking that too etc etc. Saying someone is the Spawn of Satan is like a cartoon insult, even if you are religious you're not going to get paranoid that people are genuinely going to think you are actually Satans offspring

Spawn of Satan is not even anywhere near the same level as what Helen said. I honestly think her turn of phrase was indefensible.

well if you want to argue on that level...the hypothetical question i asked asked assumes the existence of Satan since i used the phrase "be the spawn of Satan"

So let me rephrase it for you...Assuming that there is a Satan...would you rather look like a murderer or be the spawn of Satan?

If we are taking spawn of Satan on a literal level, then I suppose its the ultimate evil, which would be worse than a murderer :shrug:

But I don't think anyone is hysterical enough to think it was meant literally. And Satan doesnt exist either so...

I'd rather be transformed into Satan himself than Helen :whistle:

What do you mean argue on that level? You asked which I would find more offensive and I told you :shrug:

I'm not going to assume there is a Satan because not even a little part of me believes there is so this hypothetical question is ridiculous

I agree, I have many doubts as to religion myself now but keep an open mind, I would hate to be thought of as a spawn of a devil.

Being told, I look like I could murder someone,(rather than being told, I would murder someone), as opposed to being told I 'am' the spawn of an evil force.
Then in that context for me, the latter is worse than the former.

could almost see your point..but then marc was warned for using the psycho...that have the same "cartoon insult" back ground. i'm feel quiet certain that "psycho" is used 100 times in sentences like "my girlfriend is a psycho" for every one time it used by a person intent on branding someone psychopath.

Well that's a whole other argument though and if his comment was said during a different argument he probably wouldn't have gotten a warning, I think he probably only got one because of the way the argument went and because of Brian leaving because of it.

but you altered the intent of the question to answer it...the way you answered would be the same as some saying...

well i know i'm not a murderer so i'd rather someone say i look like a murder

Spawn of satan sounds like a cool metal band or something and I'm here for my dark era, so yeah x https://az545065.vo.msecnd.net/skype...0_anim_gif.gif

agree with that as well as the fact brian complained

How did I alter the intent of the question? That example you gave is nothing like what I did, I answered the question 100% honestly. Saying I know I'm not a rapist or murderer or whatever could be applied to any insult anyone threw out but there is such a thing as a murderer and rapist etc. What I said was I don't believe there is such a thing as Satan not I know I'm not the Spawn of Satan

look like a murderer could be Cristian rapper name

I just think it's all so petty and childish whoever says it,I've done it myself,still petty and childish, like being back at school,that said Helen said hers in sheer anger and probably didn't even think what she was saying and regretted it after ,Ashleines was worse for me as it was premeditated .

i'm very confused..why did you say

"sounds like a joke insult since there's no such thing as Satan or presumably his spawn"

I mean..how do you know you aren't the spawn of Satan..

Because I don't believe there is such a thing as Satan lol Also, I know who my parents are and I'm pretty sure my dad doesn't have hooves although maybe I'll double check just to be sure :think:

Comparing sprawn of satan & a murderer is fiction & fact.

It's like calling someone a fairy or a cat. One is real the other is not.

So I cant say if id rather be called one or the other because one is a joke & the other is a serious allegation that was false.

F- Helen

With respect not to people who have a strong faith it isn't fiction and fact.

That is disrespectful actually to people with genuinely held strong faith and beliefs.
None of which is seen as fiction by them.

Slightly even worse, as Kazanne has said, when one is said in full anger and the other said with pre meditation while totally calm.

Why is it disrespectful to say that you think Satan is fiction if you genuinely think that? There's actually alot of religious people who don't believe in Satan either

people get much to hung up on individual words in my opinion. Its not the words that count, its the intent behind them. Helen wanted to convey that Brian looked a bit scary, Ais wanted to degrade Helen. Which is worst, to degrade clearly.

If there was a spawn of satan then he/she would be a murderer. They would be pure evil.
They are both pretty bad & let's face it BB is now a slanging match rather than a social experiment or game show.
I have nieces & nephews under the age of 10 who are more mature than some of those HM's.

I cant speak for other people ,but I believe in God and Satan who actually is a fallen angel,

So? I said not all religious people believe in Satan :shrug:

I think it is disrespectful because if people have that strong belief then it is not fiction to them and if someone does have a strong faith,unless you ask them, you will not know for sure if they do not believe in a devil, Satan or whatever..

Fine to say such things to someone you know not to have such faith but to say it in the presence of others, not knowing what they all believe or what faith they have or even if they have no faith at all.
Is disrespectful.

Anyway, indicating someone is a spawn of Satan or a Devil, is indicating they are pure evil,now evil is a word I would use to describe actions of ISIS or really cruel Dictators.
As bad as any of the people in that house is,none of them justify,in a calm pre meditated way to be described as 'evil', whatever the form used as to it.
Just as equally, the terms used in strong anger by Helen towards Brian were also disrespectful inmy view.

Religion is a touchy subject,one best avoided, however to those with strong religious beliefs such terms are not fiction to them.

You have no belief so to you it is fiction,I respect that.
I have a kind of belief still,so I would however choose to be careful myself how I termed anything of a religious element both with people I know for sure who have a strong faith and also around people I know nothing about who are in earshot.
I see that myself as respecting others no matter how different in any way they may be to me.

I'm religious & was sent to a bible study youth camp every summer (I'm sure you all envy me for that :laugh:).
I am not offended by any religious debate but religion is very personal to each person so maybe it's best left out of this debate.

No offence to you Joey but I'm not going to pretend that I think some Demon mentioned in a book written thousands of years ago is real just because other people do believe it.

Didn't Nikki say Helen was 'born evil'? to me personally, that is on the same offense level as saying someone looks like a murderer.. saying someone looks like a murderer, alright, it's not very nice and everything, but saying someone was 'born evil' is a really strong thing to say to someone imo.

It's no where near as bad as what Helen said imo, saying you look like muderer is hell of a lot worse