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Withano 01-07-2015 04:35 PM

Should housemates be judged on the things they do before the show?
 
I've always judged people on what they've done before the show.. But Adam from Deanas year and Dappy left to overwhelming cheers.. (Katie Hopkins also came 2nd but I always secretly liked her, most of the time, before she went in the house #controversialopinions)

With the threads on both of Danny and Marcs disgusting tweets from a few years back, do you judge them both or neither of them?

I've also seen some people judge Chloe for her past of ****ting in somebodys shoes?

MB. 01-07-2015 04:38 PM

Only if they bring up their past or make it relevant in any way, which doesn't often happen. It's different with CBB, as everyone (well, the ones we've heard of...) are inevitably going to be judged at least partially on their reputation.

Vicky. 01-07-2015 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MB. (Post 7951051)
Only if they bring up their past or make it relevant in any way, which doesn't often happen. It's different with CBB, as everyone (well, the ones we've heard of...) are inevitably going to be judged at least partially on their reputation.

This.

Vicky. 01-07-2015 04:40 PM

However I wont pretend that reading those tweets today hasnt disgusted me a bit D:

Pete. 01-07-2015 04:41 PM

Well the only things to go off from Danny and Marc's time in their time in the house in my opinion as been fairly negative, so these tweets that have surfaced just add more disgust towards them tbh

alex_front2 01-07-2015 04:42 PM

This poll has only occurred as Marc's foul-mouthed Twitter comments have come to light,. When Danny made nasty comments on Twitter no one was asking whether we should judge on previous comments. So meh.

abhorson 01-07-2015 04:43 PM

Wrong first question. TBH.

Withano 01-07-2015 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex_front2 (Post 7951068)
This poll has only occurred as Marc's foul-mouthed Twitter comments have come to light,. When Danny made nasty comments on Twitter no one was asking whether we should judge on previous comments. So meh.

I Was banned from commenting this morning.. My ban has been recently lifted.. Danny, for me went from middle to my second least favourite after I saw the tweet, Marc stayed as my least favourite throughout the day.

JTM45 01-07-2015 04:52 PM

I treat people as i find them and if someone's done scummy things before they go in the house and are generally not good people and then go in the house and put a complete act on and act like butter wouldn't melt i'm not gonna' be a mug and think "yeah ok, they've be known to trip old ladies over and spit on people in their everyday life but i'm going to pretend they haven't because they've acted like a total gent in the house".:nono:

Sorry but the "i'm only going to judge them on what they've allowed me to see of them in the house, even though it could be a 100% fabrication" doesn't wash with me .

If they end up winning the cash they're gonna' spend it in the real World as the person they really are so that's how they should be judged.

Ashley. 01-07-2015 05:00 PM

My opinion on neither Marc or Danny has changed. I already disliked Marc, and I already liked Danny.

T* 01-07-2015 05:01 PM

Yes, why shouldn't I base my opinion on their actual true colours outside the house rather than them probably playing up to cameras?

Macie Lightfoot 01-07-2015 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MB. (Post 7951051)
Only if they bring up their past or make it relevant in any way, which doesn't often happen. It's different with CBB, as everyone (well, the ones we've heard of...) are inevitably going to be judged at least partially on their reputation.

exactly, for CBB it's definitely fair because the whole reason these people are cast is because of their past.

Jack_ 01-07-2015 05:11 PM

Absolutely not and to be quite honest I'm pretty sick of this witch hunt that seems to be going on over the last 24 hours against Danny and now seemingly Marc. I'm not even that much of a fan of Danny's but the whole thing is pathetic. Who cares what he tweeted a few months ago, or in the case of Marc, two years ago? It is totally and utterly irrelevant to what he is doing in the house.

The same goes for people who like to dig for dirt on other housemates, criticising them for being prostitutes, or not having a job, the list goes on. The point of this show is to judge the people that partake on a blank slate based upon what they do inside the house, not out of it. Their jobs and personal lives are totally irrelevant and quite frankly I think it's pretty disgusting that year on year all of their lives are uncovered either by forumers and/or the press.

The housemates are just people taking part in a reality show that we watch for 48 minutes a night, it's not akin to a gunman shooting down a school and then people wanting to monitor their old social media activity. It just goes to show that if you're going to appear on a show like this then you really need to be careful about what you've posted on the internet before, but as far as I'm concerned they shouldn't have to be.

Liam- 01-07-2015 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MB. (Post 7951051)
Only if they bring up their past or make it relevant in any way, which doesn't often happen. It's different with CBB, as everyone (well, the ones we've heard of...) are inevitably going to be judged at least partially on their reputation.

.

Withano 01-07-2015 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 7951180)
Absolutely not and to be quite honest I'm pretty sick of this witch hunt that seems to be going on over the last 24 hours against Danny and now seemingly Marc. I'm not even that much of a fan of Danny's but the whole thing is pathetic. Who cares what he tweeted a few months ago, or in the case of Marc, two years ago? It is totally and utterly irrelevant to what he is doing in the house.

The same goes for people who like to dig for dirt on other housemates, criticising them for being prostitutes, or not having a job, the list goes on. The point of this show is to judge the people that partake on a blank slate based upon what they do inside the house, not out of it. Their jobs and personal lives are totally irrelevant and quite frankly I think it's pretty disgusting that year on year all of their lives are uncovered either by forumers and/or the press.

The housemates are just people taking part in a reality show that we watch for 48 minutes a night, it's not akin to a gunman shooting down a school and then people wanting to monitor their old social media activity. It just goes to show that if you're going to appear on a show like this then you really need to be careful about what you've posted on the internet before, but as far as I'm concerned they shouldn't have to be.

I get what you're saying and I presume many people agree, but so that I can get an idea of the extent in which you believe your statement, if Hitler was hilarious and in the final 2 with Florence nightingale who was a new housemate and was really boring for a fortnight.. Who would you personally prefer to win?

Livia 01-07-2015 05:30 PM

If they voluntarily put themselves into Big Brother and have shady pasts, I will judge them like Judy.

JoshBB 01-07-2015 05:38 PM

Depends, really... if it's something minor then I don't mind however things like Marc's comments which were found (which included him using derogative language about women, as well as making rape threats) are not excusable and definitely apply. If it was 10 years ago and he turned it around and stopped saying things like that then I'd probably accept that it was deep in the past, but it was only just under 2 years ago and his attitude has not changed.

jennyfromtheblock8 01-07-2015 05:54 PM

I think it's ok to prejudge as there is enough time for them to convince you otherwise. I thought Danny was a **** and what I have learnt since confirms it!

Niamh. 01-07-2015 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7951258)
If they voluntarily put themselves into Big Brother and have shady pasts, I will judge them like Judy.

I'm watching her right now :love:


But yeah, If you're judging their personality and whether they're being real or not, then you would be silly not to take into consideration all information about them imo It gives you a more whole picture of what they're really like

Vicky. 01-07-2015 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7951450)
I'm watching her right now :love:


But yeah, If you're judging their personality and whether they're being real or not, then you would be silly not to take into consideration all information about them imo It gives you a more whole picture of what they're really like

I was told a few days ago that Judge Judy, along with Judge Rinder, is actually fake :ninja2::ninja2::ninja2:

Livia 01-07-2015 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 7951468)
I was told a few days ago that Judge Judy, along with Judge Rinder, is actually fake :ninja2::ninja2::ninja2:

Vicky... you were the last to know x

Vicky. 01-07-2015 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7951478)
Vicky... you were the last to know x

I didn't think they would be allowed to have the disclaimer thing at the start...you know 'the cases are REAL, the judgements are REAL' if that was a lie :joker:

Northern Monkey 01-07-2015 06:29 PM

If it's brought up in the house then it becomes part of the legitimate discussion of the show,If not then no i just judge on what i see.

Niamh. 01-07-2015 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 7951468)
I was told a few days ago that Judge Judy, along with Judge Rinder, is actually fake :ninja2::ninja2::ninja2:

Probably but I still love her :laugh: Hate Judge Rinder though, he's so smarmy

lewis111 01-07-2015 06:39 PM

I think we have the right to judge someone it there a homophobic bully surely

Withano 01-07-2015 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewis111 (Post 7951524)
I think we have the right to judge someone it there a homophobic bully surely

Did your opinions on both Marc and Danny go down today? Or just Danny?

Chilltown 01-07-2015 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 7951180)
Absolutely not and to be quite honest I'm pretty sick of this witch hunt that seems to be going on over the last 24 hours against Danny and now seemingly Marc. I'm not even that much of a fan of Danny's but the whole thing is pathetic. Who cares what he tweeted a few months ago, or in the case of Marc, two years ago? It is totally and utterly irrelevant to what he is doing in the house.

The same goes for people who like to dig for dirt on other housemates, criticising them for being prostitutes, or not having a job, the list goes on. The point of this show is to judge the people that partake on a blank slate based upon what they do inside the house, not out of it. Their jobs and personal lives are totally irrelevant and quite frankly I think it's pretty disgusting that year on year all of their lives are uncovered either by forumers and/or the press.

The housemates are just people taking part in a reality show that we watch for 48 minutes a night, it's not akin to a gunman shooting down a school and then people wanting to monitor their old social media activity. It just goes to show that if you're going to appear on a show like this then you really need to be careful about what you've posted on the internet before, but as far as I'm concerned they shouldn't have to be.

I have to say, very well said. I think I'll back off of the talk regarding social media then.

Jamie89 01-07-2015 07:19 PM

Yes we judge people on everything we know about them. You can't really help it. And as BB fans, we're probably the most judgemental of all :laugh:

jennyjuniper 01-07-2015 07:22 PM

I think so. Especially if, like the Weazel he is trying to promote the image of a caring, humble ordinary guy who looks down his nose at fame wannabees, when in reality he is a nasty, self serving fame *****. Then it's right to expose what that person is like.

ThriceShy 01-07-2015 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 7951040)
I've always judged people on what they've done before the show.. But Adam from Deanas year and Dappy left to overwhelming cheers.. (Katie Hopkins also came 2nd but I always secretly liked her, most of the time, before she went in the house #controversialopinions)

With the threads on both of Danny and Marcs disgusting tweets from a few years back, do you judge them both or neither of them?

I've also seen some people judge Chloe for her past of ****ting in somebodys shoes?

Since when is January a few years back?

Just 6 short months ago, Danny said he hoped a sexual assault victim was bullied in the street.

But that isn't even the main thing I am judging him on. His violent outburst in the house (at least 4 now) are what he should be judged on and he isn't being because he has the same agent as Emma and Rylan.

Livia 01-07-2015 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 7951482)
I didn't think they would be allowed to have the disclaimer thing at the start...you know 'the cases are REAL, the judgements are REAL' if that was a lie :joker:

I think the cases and the judgements are real, I mean, she can arrange for a copper to accompany someone to pick up their gear, she gives stuff back to the rightful owner etc... but as far as I know any cash award is paid by the show. And at least she's a real judge, not like Rinder who's a barrister. He has showbiz connections though, he was best man at Benedict Cumberbatch's wedding.

Ammi 01-07-2015 07:33 PM

..this is what I used to like most about the civilian BB because we didn't know anything about the housemates before they went into the show but I think that's not always the case now, so people are judged or pre judged on their lives/their pasts and many things, even their familes/friends are judged sometimes..how is that a 'social experiment' in any way or in the context of an entertainment TV show...


..Jack's post..:lovedup:...

Kazanne 01-07-2015 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 7951040)
I've always judged people on what they've done before the show.. But Adam from Deanas year and Dappy left to overwhelming cheers.. (Katie Hopkins also came 2nd but I always secretly liked her, most of the time, before she went in the house #controversialopinions)

With the threads on both of Danny and Marcs disgusting tweets from a few years back, do you judge them both or neither of them?

I've also seen some people judge Chloe for her past of ****ting in somebodys shoes?

No ,they shouldn't but they are and nothing will change that

ThriceShy 01-07-2015 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 7951180)
Absolutely not and to be quite honest I'm pretty sick of this witch hunt that seems to be going on over the last 24 hours against Danny and now seemingly Marc. I'm not even that much of a fan of Danny's but the whole thing is pathetic. Who cares what he tweeted a few months ago, or in the case of Marc, two years ago? It is totally and utterly irrelevant to what he is doing in the house.

The same goes for people who like to dig for dirt on other housemates, criticising them for being prostitutes, or not having a job, the list goes on. The point of this show is to judge the people that partake on a blank slate based upon what they do inside the house, not out of it. Their jobs and personal lives are totally irrelevant and quite frankly I think it's pretty disgusting that year on year all of their lives are uncovered either by forumers and/or the press.

The housemates are just people taking part in a reality show that we watch for 48 minutes a night, it's not akin to a gunman shooting down a school and then people wanting to monitor their old social media activity. It just goes to show that if you're going to appear on a show like this then you really need to be careful about what you've posted on the internet before, but as far as I'm concerned they shouldn't have to be.


How are their personal lives irrelevant if they contradict how they are behaving on the show?

Suppose, for example, a woman goes on the show and claims to be devoutly religious and a virgin, but we find out that actually she was a stripper/hooker in the past. How can that not be relevant?

Similarly with Danny, he is building his whole persona in the house around being a gentleman and protecting women and standing up to bullies.......but we now find out that he wished chloe goodman to get bullied in the street.

It is absolutely relevant.

Jamie89 01-07-2015 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 7951218)
I get what you're saying and I presume many people agree, but so that I can get an idea of the extent in which you believe your statement, if Hitler was hilarious and in the final 2 with Florence nightingale who was a new housemate and was really boring for a fortnight.. Who would you personally prefer to win?

Now THERE'S a show I'd watch :joker:

Withano 01-07-2015 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 7951775)
Since when is January a few years back?

Just 6 short months ago, Danny said he hoped a sexual assault victim was bullied in the street.

But that isn't even the main thing I am judging him on. His violent outburst in the house (at least 4 now) are what he should be judged on and he isn't being because he has the same agent as Emma and Rylan.

I wasn't aware of this tweet, it wasn't the one i had in mind when I made the thread. It's good to know that you enjoy nitpicking even when we share an opinion, at least you're consistent.

Has your opinion on both Danny and Marc gone down today because of their public tweets making their way to the tibb forum? or only Danny?

ThriceShy 01-07-2015 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 7951829)
I wasn't aware of this tweet, it wasn't the one i had in mind when I made the thread. It's good to know that you enjoy nitpicking even when we share an opinion, at least you're consistent.

Has your opinion on both Danny and Marc gone down today because of their public tweets making their way to the tibb forum? or only Danny?



I see ignoring me is going well.:laugh:

Withano 01-07-2015 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiamBB (Post 7951826)
Now THERE'S a show I'd watch :joker:

Same! I really do feel like people could defend hitler though if he was up for a laugh and didn't do anything bad inside the house!

Withano 01-07-2015 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 7951835)
I see ignoring me is going well.:laugh:

Haha. Every time I searched to see who quoted me, I could see all of your posts anyway so it was pointless. Would you like to answer the question, I'm genuinely intrigued about how these tweets have affected people's views on both Marc and Danny but you only mentioned Danny in your first post.

Jamie89 01-07-2015 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 7951838)
Same! I really do feel like people could defend hitler though if he was up for a laugh and didn't do anything bad inside the house!

Haha, yeah and got a free pass to the final :hehe:


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