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elliebrew 07-07-2015 05:24 PM

Nominations to be scrapped for future series?
 
Housemate nominations need to be scrapped.

Hand the entire vote over the public and leave it as a vote to save.

Nominations only allows the 'nice boring people' to remain safe for weeks on end.

The deadwood would be gone within a few weeks. The housemate wouldn't know who is popular or unpopular within the house and the dynamics of the house wouldn't be put in jeopardy.

When the eviction is announced don't call the names of the housemates out and allow them to hear the crowd reaction.

This often changes the way a housemate acts

Black Dagger 07-07-2015 05:26 PM

Yeah with the way nominations have been in recent years they may as well not bother. I have championed an all house up weekly vote to save for a bit. But then realise ghastly people would forever stay.

Jack_ 07-07-2015 05:26 PM

Normal noms are largely boring and obviously don't happen much anymore so this would be fine by me. It's one of two options:

- A rolling vote to save across the series that doesn't restart (I think this would generate a lot of revenue), you could also have a leaderboard that's shown to the viewers but not to the housemates each week so as to increase competition between fans.

- Implement the US format, either with or without a few tweaks to give the public some influence

Marsh. 07-07-2015 05:27 PM

The show needs to be scrapped. I never thought it could sink lower than last year but the producers have managed it.

Lostie! 07-07-2015 05:28 PM

Officially scrapping nominations would be the final push that makes me quit BBUK for good. Nominations have always been one of my favourite aspects of the show and the lack of proper nominations we get now is frustrating enough.

elliebrew 07-07-2015 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 7974744)
Officially scrapping nominations would be the final push that makes me quit BBUK for good. Nominations have always been one of my favourite aspects of the show and the lack of proper nominations we get now is frustrating enough.

Lost you're holding onto the past. You cannot keep something for nostalgia sake if it isn't working anymore.

The viewers have changed. The housemates have certainly changed.

Nominations ensure that the big characters in the house are often on the chopping block

elliebrew 07-07-2015 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7974740)
The show needs to be scrapped. I never thought it could sink lower than last year but the producers have managed it.

And then what? What a stupid thing to say. You love a show yet you want to see it axed.

If it was axed you'd be calling for it to come back.

Or you could try and find a solution to help nurture it back to health

Oliver_W 07-07-2015 05:31 PM

I thought "reverse noms" might be interesting, where the whole house is always up for the public vote, and then the HMs decide which of the two with the most should leave on Friday.

Marsh. 07-07-2015 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elliebrew (Post 7974758)
Lost you're holding onto the past. You cannot keep something for nostalgia sake if it isn't working anymore.

Nominations do work.

Nothing suggests they don't work when the producers have refused to even let the regular format play out for about 3 years.

Liam- 07-07-2015 05:34 PM

Scrapping the nomination process is a ghastly prospect.

elliebrew 07-07-2015 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 7974783)
Scrapping the nomination process is a ghastly prospect.

Absolutely disagree

Tell me what they offer the house? really?

Ashley. 07-07-2015 05:37 PM

Nominations or nothing, that's what I say. :laugh:

Jack_ 07-07-2015 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 7974765)
I thought "reverse noms" might be interesting, where the whole house is always up for the public vote, and then the HMs decide which of the two with the most should leave on Friday.

Now that I'm up for as well, so long as it's a vote to save and they vote amongst the two with the fewest votes.

In fact, that'd be pretty hilarious because most of the time they'd have to evict someone they all love and get on with cause they're nice :joker: and we get rid of dullards in the process <333

Ashley. 07-07-2015 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elliebrew (Post 7974791)
Absolutely disagree

Tell me what they offer the house? really?

What do you mean?

They are the focal point of the show and have been for 15 years. :joker: They offer reassurance that I'm actually watching Big Brother.

Lostie! 07-07-2015 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elliebrew (Post 7974758)
Lost you're holding onto the past. You cannot keep something for nostalgia sake if it isn't working anymore.

The viewers have changed. The housemates have certainly changed.

Nominations ensure that the big characters in the house are often on the chopping block

Expecting the show to retain one of it's fundamental aspects is "holding on to the past"? I'm (attempting to at least) holding on to whatever might remain of Big Brother, and that's not much anymore.

And if I am holding on to the past, it's because BB of the past was immeasurably better IMO.

As I said, the nominations interference nowadays is bad enough. Scrapping the nominations format completely would absolutely be the final nail in this show's coffin for me.

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 7974765)
I thought "reverse noms" might be interesting, where the whole house is always up for the public vote, and then the HMs decide which of the two with the most should leave on Friday.

BBAU did that for the first half of one of it's series, but I can't say it's something I'd love personally.

elliebrew 07-07-2015 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 7974803)
Expecting the show to retain one of it's fundamental aspects is "holding on to the past"? I'm (attempting to at least) holding on to whatever might remain of Big Brother, and that's not much anymore.

And if I am holding on to the past, it's because BB of the past was immeasurably better IMO.

Why must BB be a set format in your brain.

Why aren't you open to the possibility of it adapting and changing to suit its current audience.

Simply forcing the same tired format on a new audience only serves to beat it into the ground further.

Liam- 07-07-2015 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elliebrew (Post 7974791)
Absolutely disagree

Tell me what they offer the house? really?

Well it offers the people in there the chance to get rid of the people they don't want to live with anymore for a start and for me personally, as long as there are nominations, the show is still Big Brother, take them away and then we've lost one of the fundamental parts of the show, granted right now the nomination process isn't at it's best, but it's better than not having them at all and just letting the public vote on who they like the best out of everyone each and very week.

Think about it, you let the public have a continuous vote for who their favourite is and you can guarantee that because of the general demographic of BB viewers/voters, all the boring but good looking men would sail through on the thirsty vote, that doesn't benefit the show whatsoever.

Marsh. 07-07-2015 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elliebrew (Post 7974812)
Why must BB be a set format in your brain.

Why aren't you open to the possibility of it adapting and changing to suit its current audience.

Simply forcing the same tired format on a new audience only serves to beat it into the ground further.

It's already changed in almost every aspect. :conf:

The format has evolved over the time but changing absolutely everything about it makes it not BB anymore.

That's fairly obvious to anyone with common sense.

zakman440 07-07-2015 05:43 PM

No, they need to go back to a consistent nominations format.

Lostie! 07-07-2015 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elliebrew (Post 7974812)
Why must BB be a set format in your brain.

Why aren't you open to the possibility of it adapting and changing to suit its current audience.

Simply forcing the same tired format on a new audience only serves to beat it into the ground further.

You're asking me why I'm not open to it adapting in a way that I wouldn't personally find enjoyable? I think your answer is right there.

It sounds like yourself and this "new audience" don't want Big Brother at all, you want a whole other show merely using it's name.

Marsh. 07-07-2015 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 7974823)
You're asking me why I'm not open to it adapting in a way that I wouldn't personally find enjoyable? I think your answer is right there.

It sounds like yourself and this "new audience" don't want Big Brother at all, you want a whole other show merely using it's name.

Yeah, and the "new audience" it's currently adapting to obviously don't want it either as the viewing figures disappear down the drain.

Liam- 07-07-2015 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 7974823)
You're asking me why I'm not open to it adapting in a way that I wouldn't personally find enjoyable? I think your answer is right there.

It sounds like yourself and this "new audience" don't want Big Brother at all, you want a whole other show merely using it's name.

Darn you for having a differing opinion, how stupid can you get mun :fist: :fist: :fist:

elliebrew 07-07-2015 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 7974823)
You're asking me why I'm not open to it adapting in a way that I wouldn't personally find enjoyable? I think your answer is right there.

It sounds like yourself and this "new audience" don't want Big Brother at all, you want a whole other show merely using it's name.

I want a format that allows storylines to play out naturally. Relationships to form naturally

Scrapping the threat of being nominated by having the entire house up liberates the housemates and allows stories to progress without Gameplay.

SURELY its the very basis of the BB experience and something you should be championing

LukeB 07-07-2015 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 7974739)
- Implement the US format, either with or without a few tweaks to give the public some influence

I would not mind this tbh

elliebrew 07-07-2015 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 7974830)
Darn you for having a differing opinion, how stupid can you get mun :fist: :fist: :fist:

Every single time i post you always try and be facetious about me disliking other peoples opinions.

I get it

you can stop trying to be funny now

Liam- 07-07-2015 05:48 PM

Not every single time, that would be tiring :idc:

Withano 07-07-2015 05:48 PM

They were basically scrapped this series, and the public hated it.. So yeah they probably will, you're right.

Jason. 07-07-2015 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7974740)
The show needs to be scrapped. I never thought it could sink lower than last year but the producers have managed it.

:clap1:

LukeB 07-07-2015 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7974740)
The show needs to be scrapped. I never thought it could sink lower than last year but the producers have managed it.

I agree with this kind of, C5 has killed BB pretty much, I'm bored of moaning about what they do because they don't care about the fans so I know they wont listen to what people want.

Lostie! 07-07-2015 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elliebrew (Post 7974831)
I want a format that allows storylines to play out naturally. Relationships to form naturally

Scrapping the threat of being nominated by having the entire house up liberates the housemates and allows stories to progress without Gameplay.

SURELY its the very basis of the BB experience and something you should be championing

Nominations doesn't hinder the natural progression of storylines, constant interference does. I want the show to go back to having a regular, consistent nomination format without the producers trying to out-twist themselves week after week.

If certain housemates decide to use their nominations on a strategic level, so be it. I don't see how that would be hindering story progression, a housemate playing a strategic game is a storyline itself.

The fundamental aspect of Big Brother is the social experiment, putting together different people and seeing what happens. Nominations (where we truly get to see how people are reacting to one another) is a big part of this. Stripping that aspect wouldn't be amplifying the core aspect of the BB experience, it would be draining from it.

I just want the series to play out naturally. Housemates nominate, public evict, and repeat. And if they feel the need to add a twist one week (because a completely twist-free BB is definitely too much to ask for now), so be it.

I understand what you're saying and why you feel that way, but it's not something I'd like. Although, your suggestion may actually be preferable to the current state of nominations.

Josy 07-07-2015 06:11 PM

Hopefully not, one of the most important parts of the show for me since day one

Jason. 07-07-2015 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elliebrew (Post 7974834)
you always try and be facetious

Carole BB8 is that you?

abhorson 07-07-2015 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elliebrew (Post 7974812)
Why must BB be a set format in your brain.

Why aren't you open to the possibility of it adapting and changing to suit its current audience.

Simply forcing the same tired format on a new audience only serves to beat it into the ground further.

It has changed and look at the ****e it has become recently.

Viewing figures tell a tale.

JTM45 07-07-2015 06:31 PM

While we're at it why don't they bring Top of The Pops back, but without the music!
The music part was so outdated and unnecessary.:shrug:

Jamesy 07-07-2015 06:32 PM

Do nominations really exist now? I mean noms have moved so far away from the original concept we hardly have proper nominations these days.

abhorson 07-07-2015 06:44 PM

Please go back to the proper noms when if just two that had the most noms, they were up or if the second amount had three or four each, they were up too. Solves all the BB manipulation BS, apart from the edit. Live feed would help with that.

Beetlejuice 07-07-2015 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elliebrew (Post 7974733)
Housemate nominations need to be scrapped.

Hand the entire vote over the public and leave it as a vote to save.

Nominations only allows the 'nice boring people' to remain safe for weeks on end.

The deadwood would be gone within a few weeks. The housemate wouldn't know who is popular or unpopular within the house and the dynamics of the house wouldn't be put in jeopardy.

When the eviction is announced don't call the names of the housemates out and allow them to hear the crowd reaction.

This often changes the way a housemate acts

The reason this show is in the dire state it is, is because they have ripped up the format and pissed all over it. Bring back normal noms, with the 24/7 live coverage. And find at least 12 good housemates so it won't matter if a big character goes.

elliebrew 07-07-2015 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice (Post 7974970)
The reason this show is in the dire state it is, is because they have ripped up the format and pissed all over it. Bring back normal noms, with the 24/7 live coverage. And find at least 12 good housemates so it won't matter if a big character goes.

Live feed will NEVER come back

It's been half a decade

I think people should be over it now

Beetlejuice 07-07-2015 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elliebrew (Post 7974980)
Live feed will NEVER come back

Came back for 2 hours for BB14. It was the highest rated series ever. According to Oathy numerous people involved in the show want it back.

Quote:

It's been half a decade

I think people should be over it now
It is not a question of getting over it. It is simply the fact that the show doesn't work without it and cannot work without it.

karezza 07-07-2015 06:55 PM

Regular nominations is the best thing about BB.


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