Joel - Utterly self serving slimeball move
 

Taking the "moral highground" in an effort to draw attention to himself and his principled stance, when in actual fact he just wants to stand out to win a vote.

Typical politician.

No,he was genuine I say in saying he'd make no decision who was evicted and he didn't,of course Danny found it very easy to dictate how the vote should go.

I admired Joel even more for his stance on that issue.

Any moment in particular or is this just a rant?

Theyre priming to give him the win I think...rent a crowd joel fans tonight between posters ant the bbots headers...he makes my skin crawl personally

I wonder what would have happened if they all refused to vote... :think:

Oh, the bit where they evicted Sam? Perfectly plausible that any or all of them wouldn't want to be included in the vote

You get the politicians you deserve. If you can't see through that, then I can't help you

Danny was the ringleader in getting Sam out

And yet he was ready to stand up to announce it.

He's the new target. Funny to watch.

A little know it all but I hope he wipes the floor with them

So annoying. Spends all week asking people what they would do in serious cash bomb situations, then when one arises, decides to rid himself of any responsibility.

Yes, and Joel was the one who seized an opportunity to try and make himself look good whilst others would have to take responsbility for a nasty decision.

That was the move of a slimeball politician.

I actually thought they may have followed Joel as to that but they worried more about the 'financial' consequences.
So Danny made sure enough voted in the end, in fact he more or less told them how to vote.

The big man Danny didn't :laugh:

Big brother told him personally to stand up and announce he group decision.. The fact that he didn't want to make a decision and the fact that he stood up when told are two separate issues. Im not sure what your argument is

:joker: I don't need any help,I intend to try to be one someday soon.

Joel....I refuse to vote....joel..guys tell me who to say...

Joel vote is carried for sam. Translation....you do the dirty work for me and ill deliver the news. Conclusion. ..if he didnt want to be part of it he should have wslked away... verdict..slimy coward

They all should have declined to vote anyone out, it was a sh@t move by the production company, they knew Sam would be the one they picked no matter how much money was on her card.

You cannot walk away when BB insists you stay on the sofas.
Joel refused to vote,then once the others did vote a decision was made and it was bb who told Joel to stand up and say who the group had chosen, still without any vote from him.

He kept his integrity and avoided the whole group having further punishments too.

A decision HAD to be made and he bottled it....she would have gone regardless of the figure she had in her hand. Joel obviously cannot handle pressure. His moral high ground doesn't come into play when he starts interviewing people with his intimidating questions. PRAT!!

I think that may have come about had Danny not taken over and made his reasons for choosing Sam, then the rest followed,except for Joel.

I really did hope when Joel said he was not going to vote at all as to it,that just about all the others, like Nick,Cristian and Jack,at least,would have supported Joel on this.

No way would Chloe have gone against Danny.

Being fair, Joel was the very first to speak and he said right off that he was not voting in it at all.

Danny manipulated the votes in the end with his stance.

He did kind of vote though, he said he wanted to keep Chloe. Just sayin.

How was that a vote, he couldn't vote to keep someone they had to vote one out.

As much as I hate joel he was told to do it by bb

I said that he kind of voted. Some of your comments say "Joel said he wasn't going to vote at all" etc. but to basically veto one person is sort of a vote for the other two. He didn't stay completely out of it like your comments suggest.

Joel knew full well that a vote was going to take place. He just wanted to be seen abstaining. I can't believe how naive some of you are to what he did.

I ask again, how was that a vote it was an opinion not a vote, no one was asked who they wanted to save, they were told to vote one out and he refused to do so.

You know it was you who challenged me on my original comments as to Joel,not vice versa.

Yes, he saw an opportunity to draw attention to himself. That was the move of a politician who wanted to be seen taking a principled stance. In reality it was a self serving move designed to make him look better than the others that he knew would make a decision.

I don't like Danny, but he did what he was asked to do. he didn't manipulate anything. It was obvious they were all going to agree on Sam over Jack or Chloe.

They had 30 seconds to make a decision. It was always going to be Sam even if she had the 1,000 card. Joel was the first to speak to opt out of any responsibility..Danny led the way like he always does because a decision HAD to be made. The others were always going to say Sam but they didn't want to speak up. Someone has to take the bull by the horns...Joel bottled it and left it to the others to make them look bad...just like he always does.

He only said what he was thinking. You're reading too much into it.

I feel the same. He does everything with that sneer on his face too. This past week he has been pretty unbearable and highly annoying. What bemuses me is when he asks his intimidating questions why doesn't someone just turn around and tell him to get lost.

Nope. Everything about the way he went about doing that said "Look at me taking my principled stance... Celebrate me, vote for me!"

Bingo, well said.
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I see it differently, once Joel had said that, all of them could have followed his line.
he didn't and couldn't know for sure they would not do so.

I would have loved to see what would have happened as Vicky said, had they all said the same as Joel and refused to make a decision.

Joel made the very first comment the minute BB revealed the twist,anything could have happened,he couldn't know what would.
he still totally stood by his decision however even when they all caved in after Danny spoke.

False call.

Slimeball politician trying to stand out from the others to win a vote.

Whether it's a vote or an opinion, it still contributed to the outcome, which is why I think to say "Joel wasn't voting at all" isn't quite correct. If you want no part in the outcome, why give any opinion?

Not sure what you're trying to suggest by your second comment.

Of course he bloody did. And he didn't try to persuade the others. He simply said he would abstain.



He jumped on the opportunity. Of course he stood by his decision... That was the ****ing point. To stand out and look principled. In truth it was a highly manipulative and self serving move.

He's done what he needed to do. He's got people actually buying into his bull**** and supporting him. He's standing out from the rest. Well played Mr. Slimeball Politician.

Nah i disagree, there was no way he calculated all of that in the split second. He just said what he was thinking out loud, it isn't uncommon in or outside of the show (for politicians and non-politicians)