Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 8085153)

Watched the first 20 minutes but it was ****, swapped to educating Cardiff :hee:

Originally Posted by Petemitch (Post 8085157)

I'm guessing this is on Channel 5

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8085170)

I thought they were a lovely couple.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8087147)

Should unemployed people be given enough in benefits to pay for a wedding? No.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 8087185)

They took out a loan to pay for it, he has rheumatoid arthritis and is unable to hold a screwdriver so had to pack in his job 8years ago, though he manages to go fishing :shrug: there is no work in wales for the wife apparently

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8087191)

:laugh2:

Originally Posted by bobnot (Post 8087640)

Here is the schedule for C5 last night.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNVOo9fWwAAPfea.jpg

Originally Posted by Josy (Post 8089448)

I never watched no but saw a few of the adverts for it, it said in one of them total benefits per year (for both I imagine?) £9000, that's not that much compared to what some are claiming is it? and if they took out a loan to pay for the wedding then it wasn't really a benefits wedding at all was it?

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8089478)

Yes but they are on benefits. How DARE they fall in love or get married?? How exactly did they have time to meet or have a relationship? They should have been too busy, out looking for jobs.

Feckless lazy tax payers money the system immigrants hardworking contribute nothing handouts scam idle! And other associated buzzwords! I would know, I lived in a flat above 8 dozen of them for 12 years.

Originally Posted by Amy Jade (Post 8089483)

I saw bits and they are theives in my opinion, he claims to be in too much pain it hold a tool such as a screwdriver or hammer but his 'hobby' is fishing? how is he able to fiddle about with that but unable to turn a screw?

and her excuse was worse 'there are no jobs in Wales' **** right off, I have two jobs at 17, one in a local farm shop and another waiting tables in a resturant - if I can walk into those jobs I'm sure she could clean or even sit behind a till

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 8089490)

No body is saying that at all, the unfortunate thing for many people on benefits is that these programmes seem to weed out the "stereotype", this couple spent 30 quid on hiring a sunbed for a month, Im not sure that is a great use of taxpayers money and they should have had the brains to shut up about it as it's the sort of thing that gets people backs up when they are struggling to pay the gas bill, and why do the programme in the first place, they did it because they got a free honeymoon!

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 8089490)

No body is saying that at all, the unfortunate thing for many people on benefits is that these programmes seem to weed out the "stereotype", this couple spent 30 quid on hiring a sunbed for a month, Im not sure that is a great use of taxpayers money and they should have had the brains to shut up about it as it's the sort of thing that gets people backs up when they are struggling to pay the gas bill, and why do the programme in the first place, they did it because they got a free honeymoon!

Originally Posted by bobnot (Post 8089495)

It is designed to make working class people feel better about their lives even though they are a lot worse off than they have been for a long long time.
Giving them a section of society to look down on makes them feel relatively superior even though it isnt a true reflection of the world.
The sad thing is that so many are willing to put the blinkers on and lap it up like good little citizens.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8089497)

Exactly. Working class pride. An effort to make people feel proud and superior just because "they go out to work", even if it's for peanuts. Keeps people quiet.

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 8089501)

...but then that's also stereotyping a 'public mindset' when a vast majority of the public do realise that it's only a tiny minority of people on benefits who aren't genuine and who are shown in these programmes...to describe 'public mindsets' as trash is equally stereotyping in a very negative way..no 'public' that I personally know is in any doubt that benefit fraud is a tiny percentage ...

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 8089510)

Is that such a bad thing though that people should feel "pride" in earning their own money?

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8089517)

It is if that stops them from realising that they are being exploited by people who are laughing at them all the way to the bank. Or if it makes them feel morally superior to anyone else.

I'm not a religious person... but "Pride" is considered to be a sin for a very good reason.




Yes, and there's a reason that they get those ratings. People whipped up and ready for a witch hunt. People realise that things are ****, it makes them angry, and they want someone to blame. That blame has been shifted - for obvious reasons - onto the people who are least likely to have the resources to do anything about it.

That's why you don't see three hours in a row of these shows about the lords or the corrupt MPs or unscrupulous bankers. They have the money to stop it.

Originally Posted by rubymoo (Post 8089527)

I watched the first 5 minutes then thought..."why the hell are you watching 2 strangers getting married, who are on benefits????? Is this really what tv has come to????"

So i switched off, grabbed a glass of red wine and did a few suduko puzzles in silence:laugh:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8089496)

Yes, they weed out the stereotypes, a miniscule minority, and the effect is the demonisation of all people stuck on benefits and a public mindset that wants to cut all benefits and persecute everyone on them.

It's trash telly at it's absolute worst, and a trash mindset.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 8089538)

Do you watch BB Ruby? more strangers doing stuff on TV :whistle: :laugh:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 8089522)

..that's not what I said though, that people on benefits aren't sometimes often portrayed in a negative way but that to also stereotype a public mindset as 'trash' is exactly the same as thing being objected to..?..in the same way as the majority of people on benefits are genuine..there is also a vast public who realise that and realise the slant of it/the programmes etc...


..I'll ignore the last little condescending bit of your post ...

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8089574)

This is a stretch Ammi - I can't possibly be stereotyping or condemning "the entire public mindset" as, oddly enough, I am also a member of the public.

I am condemning the mindset of people who give these shows an audience as having a trashy mindset, and in supplying that audience, giving these trashy channels financial incentive to continue making these trashy shows.

I very much doubt it managed to scrape out a million viewers. Hardly the entire public, is it? But the point is, it is ENOUGH of the public to continue the undercurrent of distaste and villification surrounding benefits. One viewer is too many.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 8089534)

So anyone who goes out to earn a wage is being exploited?

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8089478)

Yes but they are on benefits. How DARE they fall in love or get married?? How exactly did they have time to meet or have a relationship? They should have been too busy, out looking for jobs.

Feckless lazy tax payers money the system immigrants hardworking contribute nothing handouts scam idle! And other associated buzzwords! I would know, I lived in a flat above 8 dozen of them for 12 years.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 8089577)

I never watch any of these programmes I had never seen White Dee until she was on BB, I was drawn into this because of how car crash Matt Johnson was narrating it, I reserve the right to watch what I like without being called trash! After all if we all just watched quality high brow TV we wouldn't be on this forum!