Europe Migrant Mess : Schengen Agreement was for 1985 its no good for now
 

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[The Schengen Agreement was
signed by Belgium, France, German,
Luxembourg and the Netherlands
in June 1985, and created
a passport-free travel zone.
All 26 European countries
that are part of the area
have removed checkpoints
between each other,
creating a single external border]

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Hungary can not handle the High Numbers.


The German Merkel woman
can not tell us to take more
Go and have them in your Fat Nation

'The image of a Syrian child face down in the sand after his tiny body was washed ashore has sparked international outcry over the failure to find a solution to the migrant crisis.
This is what we know so far about the young boy, who was found washed up on Bodrum beach in Turkey.
The toddler has been named by Turkish media as three-year-old Aylan Kurdi.
Aylan is reportedly from the town of Kobani in Syria, which has seen heavy fighting between IS militants and Kurdish forces.
According to Canadian media, the family were trying to reach Canada, where an aunt has lived for 20 years
The National Post reports that the family had previously tried and failed to obtain a privately-sponsored refugee visa in June.
The hashtag "KiyiyaVuranInsanlik" - "humanity washed ashore" became the top trending topic on Twitter after an image of Aylan, who was found washed up on a beach near Bodrum, Turkey, was shared online.
The picture has sparked international outcry over the failure to find a solution to the migrant crisis.
Aylan is believed to have died alongside his five-year-old brother Galip, who had been travelling in the same boat.
The boys are believed to be two of 11 Syrian refugees who died after trying to cross the Mediterranean on two boats bound for the Greek island of Kos.
The two boats, carrying a total of 23 people, had set off separately from the Akyarlar area of the Bodrum peninsula.'

http://www.itv.com/news/2015-09-02/w...ach-in-turkey/

It's a right old mess.
Hungary seem to have the right idea, making sure people are legally allowed to travel before letting them on their way.
Perhaps if the borders were put back it would put people off risking their lives and their kids lives crossing the sea.
Time to look closer to home for a solution, perhaps on their own Continent, there must be some safe havens surely.:shrug:

the more we let in, the more the far right will gain power, in europe, if parties will put the interests of outsiders first, rather than the voters, then you can't blame the voters for heading for the right wing parties,

After seeing that picture of that dead little boy, I just can't understand the lack of empathy coming from people on this subject

Some things just never change... this island mentality being just one, the opinion of 3rd generation immigrants really baffle me however, this article is from 2002 but relevant.

'There's a doleful little game that staff at the Refugee Council sometimes play. They show visitors press cuttings about refugees and asylum seekers from the 1900s, 1930s and today, and ask them to guess when they were published. Most people get it wrong. They assume that Jewish refugees were welcomed, at least in the 1930s, with a tolerance that has traditionally been seen as a beacon of Britishness. They're shocked to discover that rabid intolerance - among both press and government - has a strong British pedigree. As Tony Kushner, professor of history at the University of Southampton, says, "The Daily Mail has been an anti-alien newspaper since the 1900s. There's great continuity.'

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/j...publicservices

^ Refugees from WW11 is a good example actually, I didn't know how well those people were received but people like to look back and think they would have helped them, why is now any different? Why are these people less human than those?

All I know is if I was in their shoes I'd probably be trying to get out too

A guy called into 5live this am saying he previously supported UKIPs stance on immigrants but having spoken to refugees at first hand during a holiday to Cos he changed his mind, he said it was heartbreaking to see families carrying their possessions as they fled war zones, I think this picture and the story behind it might actually go some way to Europe actually tackling this crisis rather than ignoring it

Also we took on a lot of refugees in WW2 and the economy was really quite bad back then.. idk why people are acting like we can't afford them.

Greed, Also we are confusing economic migrants with refugees which is what they are

Yeah I was talking about WW2

It's so sad. I'm really glad though that people seem to be waking up a little bit with compassion towards these refugees.

Thing is, if these syrian refugees were economic migrants then 1.2 million of them wouldn't have gone to Turkey and 1.8 million would not have gone to Lebanon. We took 147 of them by the way, which is appalling considering the economy we have.

My bad.

If I remember rightly from history though, a lot of the children back then were evacuated.. many to other countries. Thank god they didn't decide their economies were too weak and they had 'a housing crisis'.

yep and as an Irish person, I'm disgusted by the attitudes I'm hearing from fellow Irish people over here when Ireland had a similar situation during the Potato famine in the 19th century when Irish people tried to escape to other countries in order to survive, on ships that were known as Coffin Ships ..........I'm sure you can guess why they were called that

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It's a complete and utter mess, my heart goes out to the families who are fleeing from persecution and a better life, i think these people need to be fast tracked, and is there no way the whole world can help out?

The problem is that IS promised to send thousands of militants into Europe, who's to say they aren't filtering in with the desperate refugees? Plotting their next move?

There's no way of knowing who these people are, their intentions, or their past.

I know in my heart that if i was in danger and so were my family, then i also would be fleeing, and i would hope that there would be help, but we now live in a highly dangerous and suspicious world, on one hand the human side says help these people and yet on the other hand these people could potentially threaten our country.

Of course these are my opinions and i hope i haven't offended anyone, i know if there were refugees in my town living on the street/park i would be one of the first ones there helping out.

:clap1: I find Some Irish people to be extremely racist and xenophobic

There does need to be some form of processing, the buck passing is disgusting

Maybe they could ask everyone if they want to relocate, get the whole world on the move, if people from this country want to move to other countries, (for example i'd like to give Canada a shot) then let us go to Cananda and that leaves 4 places in the UK to be filled.

Seen my sig Ruby? many are terrified into going along with whatever inhumane actions our govt suggested because of the 'threat' of terrorism.

Yeah i get that Kizzy and sadly there are a lot of people who are scared, how i see it is the migrants are here now, there's a situation that needs dealing with and the migrants need processing asap, we can't let the threat of terrorism point us in the wrong direction, and i'm a big believer in what will be will be, to me this is a world problem, even though they are on European soil.

I would gladly accept those plane tickets and citizenship into Canada though!:laugh:

..some of the comments on one of the news pages below the image of the Syrian child are quite shocking and lacking in any compassion at all...


Go to another African state, there are other safe countries other than Europe. All they do is DEMAND! They want to be drip fed benefits!


Oh that old trick. Using kids to pull at the heart strings. It's the same with the ads on TV the charities use to get more money out of gullible people


Take them in now and in a few years it will be the your Anglo-Saxon non Muslim descendants that will be lying face down in the road. Sad but true



Aesop explained, many centuries ago, that the injured snake you pity and care for will bite you when it recovers.

Pretty shocking and sad:(

Because ' I'm alright jack' is the phrase that trips off the tongue, all countries that have had a hand in the destabilisation of the area for whatever reason has an obligation to be part of the solution.

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There ARE genuine tragic cases, and I grieve just as much as anyone for innocent children and genuine refugees, and - yes - something must be worked out to help these genuine refugees, but - I'm sorry - the pic above which Arista posted, and a thousand others, are telling by the fact that they are 99.99% YOUNG MEN.

The GREAT MAJORITY of these 'refugees' are flooding Europe through 'ASPIRATION' not 'DESPERATION'.

I'm sorry, but it is a fact.

And it is another fact that the UK CANNOT accommodate ALL those desiring to come here - no matter how much we may wish it, and no matter how many times we say that it is 'THE HUMANITARIAN' thing to do.

What is urgently needed is a thorough vetting procedure to ensure that all the fit young men who are fleeing from NOTHING are refused entry so that GENUINE refugees CAN be allowed entry into the UK with all the help we can - then - afford to give them.

Sorry.

I just can't with this ****, from people who have the gall to call others less than human. Most of these are normal people who were living just fine in their own countries until their world was destroyed. Our countries didn't just play "a part" in that destruction, they are at the very heart of it, and yet it's excuse after excuse for why we can't do more to help them. Selfishness, greed and paranoia. That's our world now.

Let's face it, the world is crumbling. It has a couple of centuries left in it at absolute ****ing maximum, so yeah, I think we can afford to spend the time we have left helping others to live their lives today rather than rejecting them in some desperate and hopeless scrabble to "have more for ourselves" tomorrow.

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Exactly!Where are all these refugee families in this picture?
There needs to be direct contact with countries like Syria with genuine refugees so that the people we do take in are the ones that need the help rather than just taking in economic migrants and ISIS members.

Even if we accept the 'economic migrants' argument, it cannot be too hard to work out those from the genuine refugees. Those coming from Syria are clearly refugees and we have taken barely any while countries like Germany and Sweden take thousands. I also have sympathy for countries like Hungary and Macedonia who are having to bear the brunt of this influx when they are impoverished countries themselves and we twiddle our thumbs. The UK - and the EU at large - response to this has been an absolute shambles when this is precisely the situation where we should see the benefit of our common European project

There has been so much bad press toward immigration that even justifiable cases are sneered at these days. Its always the same, we seem to be incapable as a nation of being measured in our reactions.

If Europe focussed its attention on the main immigrant entry points, then the immigrants that we eventually see here will all have justifiable reasons for being here, and their numbers quantifiable

It does no one any good to behave and react like headless chickens

...good post Matt...

..I think if it can ever be thought that anything positive could happen with the death of a child or anyone else...it's that now with the tragic death and images of Aylan Kurdi, the refugees are no longer 'nameless and faceless' so they can be 'humanised' and that I think has been a thing before..that it's so much more easy for government to dither etc with faceless and nameless people..no more passing of bucks/blame. finger pointing etc and just action hopefully and the foundations of a solution...

Yes now the PM has said he will take more from Syria
as they have no nation to return to

70 odd men women and children die a horrific death in a lorry - no image

1 wee boy washed up on a beach - many images


interesting the different reactions

But as soon as they tried that the Illegals
ran back to the train and refused to move, yesterday


So although Hungary wants to Register them
they refused.
As it well known if they go to Germany they get
Euro Passports
and then can go onto England.

YES LT
that Lorry was Far Worse

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Look at all the Cameras rush in
its all for TV News and Newspaper Frontpages

Our govt have a hard time humanising our own children in need, they are well aware of how their actions have impacted on the world, they're not dithering because they don't know they're stalling because they do.
The misinformation and the fear generated in the press has filtered through there and yet there is this image of little Aylan that's pricked the public consciousness and burst the apathetic bubble. He's not the first there have been hundreds washing up on shorelines for months, it's only now the pressure from other countries has become so great the UK has been forced to act hence the swing to the humanitarian angle.

and if we put up a sign saying "all welcome" many more images like that wee boy will be published

So what's the answer, carry on ignoring the issue?
That's not an option any longer, the pressure is on the EU to act, we're not responding with 'all welcome' we're not responding at all compared with other countries.

The Good thing The PM will do
is take familys Direct from camps in Syria via UN
not the Illegal way.

The PM is about to speak Live from Portugal

Hungary does not want Muslims
staying there.

Thats against the Rules