Stripped of benefits? You're going to have to pay for your appeal
 

It was an idea Cameron had that anybody challenging a DWP decision to stop their benefits should be charged for going to a tribunal.

What are your thoughts?

Schweinhund.

Completely idiotic, as per usual with Cameron's welfare policies. :idc:

If they win their appeal at least they'll have money to pay for it!

How will they appeal without any money? :shrug:

It was a joke at how flawed it is

In Kizzy's defence, it's hard to tell on here sometimes :laugh:

It will be interesting to see if the cost of taking your appeal to tribunal will be reimbursed if successful.

Cameron is a lowlife bastard

Is this piece of stupidity actual policy or merely being bandied around as planned?

This was one of my first thoughts....

Can't see this one getting through, it's a bit bonkers

I feel bad for some people though because the people on benefits that I've met are in their position because of their parents and not getting a good childhood/education. It's like an endless cycle of children being on benefits because of their parents.

It's dumb, I wouldn't expect anything different from the pig ****er though.

It's just another tory idea to torture the people that need help the most.

This is back door policy leading on from the drastic cuts in legal aid.

Skullduggery should have no place in running a country.

Luke, this proposal was leaked back in February 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...P=share_btn_fb

...February 2014..?../ so under the Cameron/Clegg government, a while ago...anyways, this sounds a bit like some councils wanting to fine the homeless for cluttering and messing up their streets and how that would work../just dumb logic beyond really...

The government's economic policy is becoming very extreme, worrying.

the government has spat at the hard working people for 4 decades, and no suprise their, if people keep on voting for the same old two party system,when they are laid off from their work, with the tory toffee nosed party, with their greedy the rich get richer, the poor get poorer,

Odd isn't it? I mean its odd that so many working class people vote for the Tories. I've spoken to many working class Brits who voted Tory and will continue to vote Tory. The irony is, these are the same men and women who barely make a living wage.

So whilst our present government continues to dismantle the welfare state, the very thing that was set up to provide a decent life for working class people; those living on sink estates and who can't get jobs because there are no jobs to be had or work and survive on minimum a wage continue to vote for the Oxbridge, Old Etonian filthy rich.

I believe that the Tories appeal to peoples aspirations? The new working class are no longer the hard working people who pull themselves up by their bootstraps, they are the benefit scroungers, the chavs and the immigrants. :shrug:

A very good book called 'The Ragged Trousers Philanthropies' by Robert Tressel

The philanthropies are the workers who throw themselves into back-breaking work for poverty wages in order to generate profit for their masters.

Although it was written back in 1910 its frighteningly reminiscent of the Tory government versus the Tory voters in today's Britain.

Correct; the Tories have successfully tapped "working class pride". They have managed to convince people that if they have a job (any job) and work hard for a living then they are Tories and will be best off sticking with Tories. That Labour represents immigrants and benefits scroungers and that if you don't agree with the Tories, then you must agree with "shirking and skiving".

In fairness though the Tories have been quite clever in their rhetoric and Labour did nothing to dispel the myth, hopefully they learned a lesson

True DR the tory way is to pitch neighbour against neighbour, the haves and the have nots. Except this time they throw a curveball and attack those who considered themselves as a conservative 'have,' families who get by both working and on tax credits?
Now they've found they are the new 'scroungers' it doesn't seem so fair.

Excellent book, anyone who reads it would run out and join a union I guarantee it :)

This is a disgrace and I sounded off on this before.

This is one the most vile acts of this govt because they are losing appeal after appeal when things end up at HMCT.
However, people who wrongly lose benefits or are refused them should still go to appeal.

It is a disgrace to withhold justice and decency from people as to law just to save money.
There are firms who will take on your appeal, I have been with one who has done so, I have yet to see an appeal lost once it comes before a recorder/judge or any other overseer of such appeals.

A rotten policy from a rotten govt which should not have any place whatsoever in any decent society as to dealing with the most vulnerable and sick and disabled.
I have seen people wheeled into these appeals with only months to live due to cancer, due to heartless paper decisions by the DWP, as directed by the secretary of State too.

I have seen judges shake their heads in total dismay at what they have seen and heard as to many cases.

Justice should be denied to no one as to cost, and if the costs of these appeals are proving heavy for this vile govt, which they most certainly are hence this action on the paying for appeals, then clearly the decisions originally made by the DWP are massively at fault, if someone then comes out of court winning such appeals.

Stop the victimisation ,demonisation and persecution of the sick and disabled and most vulnerable then the costs of same will go down probably considerably anyway.

What a ridiculous proposal.

My advice would be, if you feel you have a real grievance, take your problem to your MP and get him/her to sort it. They have excellent case workers to deal with problems like this and whether or not you voted for them, they work for you.

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Sadly I have found some don't, you are right in that some of the best help to people who lose benefits wrongly, do get a sympathetic ear from MPs, a great number too of Conservative MPs as well as others, however it is Conservative MPs who will inflict this with their votes on the most vulnerable.
Not daring to vote against the whip of their party.

I have been a small part of a team who have had to, in the end, involve Consultants, Doctors, Carers and even Social workers to fight in court against some of the most heartless and cruellest decisions made against the sick and disabled.

For me, even just one such instance is too many, there are in fact masses more than just one.
This is a disgraceful idea to have ever been thought about let alone do.

His bringing home the Bacon to his rich pals and that's all he cares about.

:joker: You got in quick there Mock.

I'm glad that you noticed Joey.:dance:

My own local MP does not worry about going against the whips. He has said quite clearly that his decisions reflect the thoughts of his constituents.

The Conservative Party have one very clear image on this forum. There are no discussions on this thread anymore, only lots of anti-Tories all agreeing with each other and howling down and ridiculing any kind of debate.

Not all politicians are the same, whichever party they represent. All parties make decisions that are not palatable to some... I happen to think this particular issue is deplorable. But like I say, there is very little debate left here. It's black or white, and you are one or the other, there are no shades of grey.

Do you remember when that picture was doing the rounds, of Miliband eating a bacon sandwich? It wasn't very long before all the Labour supporters on here were saying how ridiculous everyone was for trying to keep the joke going... how childish it was?

Same here. It's not even been verified as a true story, not even by the author! And yet you're all still running with it.

Again with the indirect albeit indirect 'lefty' references, just to clarify personally I haven't howled I made a comment on the thread, based on my view and not as a collective.

56% of DLA, 58% of ESA and 57% of PIP cases are overturned at appeal according to government records for the first quarter of 2015. The numbers have been rising fairly dramatically over a number of years. Back in 2010 only 20% of these cases were won on appeal.

Now of course, it doesn't benefit the government when an appeal is overturned because the claimant doesn't only continue getting paid but are back paid the money they were owed. The government presently offsets this with the 44%, 42%, and 43% of cases that don't get overturned along with all the cases that never get to appeal. DWP are extremely foggy about percentages when it comes to people who don't appeal.

Its interesting that in 2012-2013 the DWP introduced something called 'Mandatory reconsideration before appeal'. This was supposed to speed things up and allow the DWP to overturn their decisions without it going to tribunal. It also meant that only the more crooked cases and hardest to judge cases would end up at a tribunal. This clearly doesn't work when you judge the amount of people who are winning their appeals :conf:

Oh come on Livia, you can't honestly be comparing unskilled sandwich consumption to sexual activity with a decapitated pig? Mocking the way someone eats IS stupid and gets old fast. Swine necrophilia is the gift that keeps on giving...

I mean not and wasn't ever a real Miliband fan, I'm talking objectively here.

"Lol look that guy is trying to eat a sandwich and is making a pigs ear of it" = yawn

"Lol look that guy has his erect penis stuffed forcibly into an actual pigs ear" = awesome!

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story, TS.

And anyway, most people who have ever served in the army would probably say... "Only a pig? What kind of girly initiation is that...?"

The very worrying thing about this is that.....If the Tories could actually get away with this they would actually implement it.It just shows how heartless they are and how they are trying to remove as many rights and as much power from the average person as they possibly can.
They are trying to make us helpless.
I mean how the **** can somebody on benefits who gets them taken away pay for anything?
It's mental.

The same goes for legal aid. The only people who need legal aid are the working poor or unemployed poor but the chances are they will no longer get it.

Heartless is the word and it really mystifies how this cannot be against a citizens human rights to be denied access to justice on cost,by a govt policy such as this one.

It is to me a total and unacceptable disgrace that warrants the fullest condemnation from all, as to any govt that would even think of it, let alone plan doing it.