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Niamh. 23-11-2015 11:41 AM
Are owners of Indoor Cats Selfish?
 
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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8308618)
My in-laws are the same with their two dogs, made only slightly better by the fact that they're just little Jack Russells and have a decent sized garden to run around in whenever they want. But we walk them whenever we're down there (they live in Engerland) and they're always so happy to get out for a walk :(.

I don't get it really. Why get dogs if you don't want to take them out? It's like people who get cats and then keep them indoors as "house cats" :omgno:. I hear a million and one excuses for that but there just isn't one. Cats love being outdoors. It's what they live for. If you live somewhere that it's not possible for them to be out hunting / exploring, don't get a damned cat.
My cat is a mainly indoor cat, Gav built an enclosure for him at the side of the house that he can go in and out of from a window, we also leave him out in the garden when we're out there as he can only get out of the garden one way (through the gate) he's far too lazy to attempt jumping the fence.

You're completely wrong when you say people make up excuses because they live somewhere where a cat can't go outside by the way, I live in the country. The breeder I got my cat from specifically requests people she's selling kittens to to keep them as indoor cats

Lostie! 23-11-2015 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8308618)
It's like people who get cats and then keep them indoors as "house cats" :omgno:. I hear a million and one excuses for that but there just isn't one. Cats love being outdoors. It's what they live for. If you live somewhere that it's not possible for them to be out hunting / exploring, don't get a damned cat.
Nonsense. My cat was absolutely an indoor cat, she'd go out briefly every now and again and in no time she'd be back sitting on the doorstep waiting to get in. We never once stopped her from going out, she simply didn't want to for the vast majority of the time. To force her out for long periods of time when she didn't want to be would have itself been cruelty.

Perhaps try to stick to speaking from your own experiences and refrain from acting like you know what applies to everyone and everything else. You certainly don't, I can assure you that.

user104658 23-11-2015 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 8308646)
Nonsense. My cat was absolutely an indoor cat, she'd go out briefly every now and again and in no time she'd be back sitting on the doorstep waiting to get in. We never once stopped her from going out, she simply didn't want to for the vast majority of the time. To force her out for long periods of time when she didn't want to be would have itself been cruelty.

Perhaps try to stick to speaking from your own experiences and refrain from acting like you know what applies to everyone and everything else. You certainly don't, I can assure you that.
Where did I say anything about forcing them out? If they have access to the outdoors and prefer to be in that's one thing. Specifically KEEPING them indoors - blocking them from getting out even if they want to - is cruel. And selfish. It's getting and owning an animal for ones own enjoyment whilst disregarding what's best for that animal.

Niamh. 23-11-2015 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8308695)
Where did I say anything about forcing them out? If they have access to the outdoors and prefer to be in that's one thing. Specifically KEEPING them indoors - blocking them from getting out even if they want to - is cruel. And selfish. It's getting and owning an animal for ones own enjoyment whilst disregarding what's best for that animal.
You could apply the same rule to dogs and people who let them in their gardens and not roam the streets free :shrug:

Lostie! 23-11-2015 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8308695)
Where did I say anything about forcing them out? If they have access to the outdoors and prefer to be in that's one thing. Specifically KEEPING them indoors - blocking them from getting out even if they want to - is cruel. And selfish. It's getting and owning an animal for ones own enjoyment whilst disregarding what's best for that animal.
You rather clearly suggested a belief that indoor cats simply don't exist and that all cats in general want to be outside on a regular basis. If you made it clear you were only referring to people who do keep their cats indoors against their will then that would be all fine and dandy, but that's not the suggestion you made at all.

For what it's worth, I agree with your point raised in this reply, but it's important to acknowledge that this doesn't apply to all cats.

user104658 23-11-2015 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8308697)
You could apply the same rule to dogs and people who let them in their gardens and not roam the streets free :shrug:
Cats and dogs have completely different psychology though, dogs are pack animals and (in general) want to be in close proximity to their pack leader (in the case of domestic dogs, their owner) whereas cats are solo hunters and (in general) crave the freedom to roam / climb / explore etc.

In general.

I will add "in general" to every post similar to these in future in case someone gets upset about their emo pets that just HAVE to buck the trend.

Niamh. 23-11-2015 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8308722)
Cats and dogs have completely different psychology though, dogs are pack animals and (in general) want to be in close proximity to their pack leader (in the case of domestic dogs, their owner) whereas cats are solo hunters and (in general) crave the freedom to roam / climb / explore etc.

In general.

I will add "in general" to every post similar to these in future in case someone gets upset about their emo pets that just HAVE to buck the trend.
If people let their dogs roam free they would form packs with other dogs regardless of whether their owner was the alpha at home or not.

Anyway like I said the breeder that I got my cat from won't sell you a kitten if you tell her that it will be an outdoor cat. I definitely do think that cats should spend some time outside which is why Gav built the enclosure for him and I let him in the garden. I know If I let him outside fulltime though he wouldn't last too long, he's too trusting and slobbish

Speaking of dogs wanting to be close to their owners though my "emo" cat follows me around the house :idc: They say Maine Coons are quite "dog like" personality wise though

Niamh. 23-11-2015 01:42 PM
Also can I add the life expectancy of an outdoor cat is 1-5 years where as an indoor cat has a life expectancy of 12-20 years

Lostie! 23-11-2015 01:48 PM
Yep, any cat that prefers spending time indoors is just trying to buck the trend. Wise words right there. :clap1:

:unsure:

Kizzy 23-11-2015 01:52 PM
Clean up in here again please, thread hijacked by mad cat people :idc:

Niamh. 23-11-2015 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8308745)
Clean up in here again please, thread hijacked by mad cat people :idc:
:hehe:

I think this deserves it's own thread actually

Will. 23-11-2015 02:02 PM
Your cat is so cute Niamh!

user104658 23-11-2015 02:05 PM
Wtf is this Niamh you're supposed to back me up! We a free e Tibb soul mates no longer. Hashtag heartbroken.

(p.s. My cat growing up was an outdoor cat and lived until 16, though he barely went out fromfrom about 12+... Ans my wife's outdoor cat died at 22! So... Hah!)

Liam- 23-11-2015 02:08 PM
All of my cats are outdoor cats, two of them quite often spend the night out as well as the day, but one of them just spends the day out and comes home to sleep, I don't think people who keep their cats as indoor cats are selfish, just a little bit mad to put up with them 24/7 :laugh:

My oldest cat is 8 years old and she's always been an outdoor cat.

arista 23-11-2015 02:09 PM
Cats still need to go in the Garden
and become little tigers Killing Birds


Life In The Fast Lane

LukeB 23-11-2015 02:10 PM
No, my cat is an indoor cat and he seems happy, I've tried to get him to go outside but he doesn't want to unless he has a harness on.

Niamh. 23-11-2015 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8308774)
Wtf is this Niamh you're supposed to back me up! We a free e Tibb soul mates no longer. Hashtag heartbroken.

(p.s. My cat growing up was an outdoor cat and lived until 16, though he barely went out fromfrom about 12+... Ans my wife's outdoor cat died at 22! So... Hah!)
Well clearly those two cats were Emo cats :idc:

but yeah, this may be our first disagreement :'(

Niamh. 23-11-2015 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Will1999 (Post 8308763)
Your cat is so cute Niamh!
Thanks Will :love:

Niamh. 23-11-2015 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by arista (Post 8308785)
Cats still need to go in the Garden
and become little tigers Killing Birds


Life In The Fast Lane
My cat does go in the garden but only when someone is outside with him

Kizzy 23-11-2015 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8308747)
:hehe:

I think this deserves it's own thread actually
I was only joking... or maybe I am all powerful muhahahahaha!!!!!
Spoiler:


If the cat is afraid of outside then no, if they are forced in like a little fluffy convict yes.
http://v1.aroundhawaii.com/assets/ar...nd_convict.jpg

Niamh. 23-11-2015 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8308796)
I was only joking... or maybe I am all powerful muhahahahaha!!!!!
Spoiler:


If the cat is afraid of outside then no, if they are forced in like a little fluffy convict yes.
http://v1.aroundhawaii.com/assets/ar...nd_convict.jpg
We did hijack the thread lol, no harm for another one to be made :laugh:

Kazanne 23-11-2015 02:18 PM
I don't have a cat anymore,but when I did they came in and went out,whenever they wanted as we had a catflap, they also had their own little shed,so the choice was really theirs.

Lostie! 23-11-2015 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8308796)
If the cat is afraid of outside then no, if they are forced in like a little fluffy convict yes.
100% this.

user104658 23-11-2015 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8308787)
Well clearly those two cats were Emo cats :idc:

but yeah, this may be our first disagreement :'(
Yeah! I'm a freedom fighter and you're running Irish cat guantanamo. Are these irreconcilable differences?

Niamh. 23-11-2015 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8308815)
Yeah! I'm a freedom fighter and you're running Irish cat guantanamo. Are these irreconcilable differences?

Nah, we can work it out :laugh:

Ammi 23-11-2015 02:37 PM
..(I haven't got huge cat knowledge because I've never owned one...)...but I thought that many cats prefer to be indoors because they're just not very curious or like to wander...I'm sure that Sooty's cat..Fat Charlie, was an indoor cat because he was lazy and didn't like to go out at all...although animals have instincts, as humans also have...they're all individuals as well, my OH's mum once had a dog who hated walks and tried everything to avoid them...

Ninastar 23-11-2015 02:38 PM
depends the size of your house really. If you can make special accommodations for your cat then that's brilliant :love: but normally, I'm really against people keeping their cats indoors all the time. my dads wife has 3 indoor cats and they legit all have mental issues.

Ammi 23-11-2015 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Chaos (Post 8308839)
depends the size of your house really. If you can make special accommodations for your cat then that's brilliant :love: but normally, I'm really against people keeping their cats indoors all the time. my dads wife has 3 indoor cats and they legit all have mental issues.
..is that not because they have to live with her...(this is his present wife/the anti wife..?..)...it sounds like she could give anyone or anything, mental issues...

user104658 23-11-2015 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8308821)
Nah, we can work it out :laugh:
Probably, it's only really in general musing that I think it's unfair to keep cats as indoor pets. Thankfully, in practice, I only have mediocre regard for animal welfare. Whew! Crisis averted.

Ninastar 23-11-2015 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 8308845)
..is that not because they have to live with her...(this is his present wife/the anti wife..?..)...it sounds like she could give anyone or anything, mental issues...
lmao, probs tbh...

Niamh. 23-11-2015 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Chaos (Post 8308839)
depends the size of your house really. If you can make special accommodations for your cat then that's brilliant :love: but normally, I'm really against people keeping their cats indoors all the time. my dads wife has 3 indoor cats and they legit all have mental issues.
This is Eddies "Catio" :laugh: I'm just afraid something would happen to him if i just let him wander, he's not very street wise and he trusts everyone and everything

Ninastar 23-11-2015 02:53 PM
thats incredible! I kinda I wish I had one for Meowzie. I think she probably gets her brains from me. She's so thick its unreal. last night at like 2am, my mum shouted on me because Meowzie had gotten herself stuck on the roof (which was also covered in Ice...)

eventually she jumped down, but still, I was so scared. Shes just got no sense at all

Niamh. 23-11-2015 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Chaos (Post 8308862)
thats incredible! I kinda I wish I had one for Meowzie. I think she probably gets her brains from me. She's so thick its unreal. last night at like 2am, my mum shouted on me because Meowzie had gotten herself stuck on the roof (which was also covered in Ice...)

eventually she jumped down, but still, I was so scared. Shes just got no sense at all
N'awww that's such a cute name btw :laugh:

Crimson Dynamo 23-11-2015 03:59 PM
Short answer is yes

No cat or dog shoukd be stuck inside without a very good reason

arista 23-11-2015 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8308857)
This is Eddies "Catio" :laugh: I'm just afraid something would happen to him if i just let him wander, he's not very street wise and he trusts everyone and everything

Bless him
he just wants to Kill a Bird
I can see it in his Eyes

Lostie! 23-11-2015 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8308949)
Short answer is yes

No cat or dog shoukd be stuck inside without a very good reason
The very term "Indoor Cat" usually refers specifically to cats who want to be indoors. In those cases (yes, they exist), it's a lot more cruel and selfish to shove them outside when they don't wish to be there.

MTVN 23-11-2015 04:07 PM
Our neighbours have some strange breed of cat which should always be indoors for some reason, can't remember the name of it now. We've never kept ours indoors although they prefer to be in the day because they're quite old now and just sleep all the time. We put them out at night though cos otherwise they'd be annoying prowling the house all night waking us up. By 'out' I mean the back passageway where they do have a bed if they wanted to stay in, think they tend to spend most of the night outside though

kirklancaster 23-11-2015 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 8308955)
The very term "Indoor Cat" usually refers specifically to cats who want to be indoors. In those cases (yes, they exist), it's a lot more cruel and selfish to shove them outside when they don't wish to be there.
So true Lostie. I have not kept a cat for years but had cats for many years before that, and two of mine were 'indoor' breeds who just could not survive outside.

Ninastar 23-11-2015 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8308865)
N'awww that's such a cute name btw :laugh:
lmao thank you. i think you're the only one ever to say that hahaha

-glares at shaun-

King Gizzard 23-11-2015 06:32 PM
#TeamMeowzie


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