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arista 23-12-2015 06:09 AM

USA Stops (at Gatwick) a UK Muslim Family's Dream Holiday
 
Now Trump
is not the USA President.


So its Barrack - who has set this up.

This Family [The group of 11, including nine children] say they got online approval
(Better to go to the USA Embassy to get a stamped
passport, I did)

The Family going to their brothers in California
were going to Disney with their Kids.
The £9,000 Holiday will not be refunded.

This is Barrack Obama doing this
with HIS UK Homeland Security Division at the USA Embassy - who never give interviews

http://news.sky.com/story/1611036/us...-dream-holiday


Sign Of The Times

Ammi 23-12-2015 06:15 AM

"It's because of the attacks on America - they think every Muslim poses a threat."


...we don't know for sure though because no one seems to have been told any reasons yet so it's waiting for more to be known on this...I wonder why the mums weren't going on what was such a special holiday and over Christmas time.../poor mums...

arista 23-12-2015 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 8371053)
"It's because of the attacks on America - they think every Muslim poses a threat."


...we don't know for sure though because no one seems to have been told any reasons yet so it's waiting for more to be known on this...I wonder why the mums weren't going on what was such a special holiday and over Christmas time.../poor mums...

Yes it could be the Brother in California
thats dodgy.


If you are a Muslim
get in line at the USA Embassy
who will stamp your passport with a Visa
as they van meet you in person,
Its worth spending half a day to get it Official.

Ammi 23-12-2015 06:27 AM

...I hope they get it sorted out and are able to go...but yeah, the children are from 8yrs old, I would be heartbroken to not be going with them, seeing their faces at Disneyworld at Christmas time etc and that whole magic, if I were their mum...such a special time and experience for our children...

arista 23-12-2015 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 8371056)
...I hope they get it sorted out and are able to go...but yeah, the children are from 8yrs old, I would be heartbroken to not be going with them, seeing their faces at Disneyworld at Christmas time etc and that whole magic, if I were their mum...such a special time and experience for our children...


Of Course it will not be
they have lost their 9K
and the kids can cry
and thank him
https://www.cp-africa.com/wp-content...5/07/Barry.jpg

Ammi 23-12-2015 06:44 AM

http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/a...christmas2.gif

arista 23-12-2015 07:31 AM

Fantastic. Ammi

Mystic Mock 23-12-2015 08:06 AM

I don't agree with Obama on this one I'm afraid.

kirklancaster 23-12-2015 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 8371061)

Genius.

Northern Monkey 23-12-2015 10:23 AM

Maybe the brother has done something dodgy or the father or the mother in their past.We just don't know yet.America is probably still on terror alert after the recent attack.If stopping people who could have had possible contact with Islamists saves even one life then it is worth it.

arista 23-12-2015 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8371176)
Maybe the brother has done something dodgy or the father or the mother in their past.We just don't know yet.America is probably still on terror alert after the recent attack.If stopping people who could have had possible contact with Islamists saves even one life then it is worth it.



Yes he said on Radio 5
his brother is in Los Angeles.

He was not told why his name came up.


The USA Embassy London
are better if you go there and speak to them
worth the ques

arista 23-12-2015 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Father Mockmas (Post 8371107)
I don't agree with Obama on this one I'm afraid.


He is Protecting Americans
but who would think what Trump said
Barrack would enforce



Sad Day for honest Hard Working Good Muslims


9K it cost them

lostalex 23-12-2015 10:42 AM

does anyone else think it's a bit odd they were going on a long vacation with just the 2 dads and 9 kids?? where are the mothers?

So far there's no information why they were turned away, the Guardian sure is making a meal of it though.

Livia 23-12-2015 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8371185)
does anyone else think it's a bit odd they were going on a long vacation with just the 2 dads and 9 kids?? where are the mothers?

So far there's no information why they were turned away, the Guardian sure is making a meal of it though.

Agreed. We don't know the whole story.

billy123 23-12-2015 12:02 PM

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/53444139.jpg

smudgie 23-12-2015 12:14 PM

Perhaps they might think of letting the mothers go next time, might not look as dodgy:shrug:

dojo88 23-12-2015 12:35 PM

Shocking!!! This is complete and utter discrimination!!!! :mad:

The US needs to be softer with their borders and NOT ban whoever THEY think "threatens" the safety of their country!!!

Imagine paying 9 grand for a family holiday to America and arriving at the airport and being told you can't get on the flight, If that happened to me, I would be SO humiliated and disgusted!!!!

They should instead focus on the GENUINE terror threats NOT just handpick random people who THEY think are terrorists!!

The US MUST stop this embarrassing procedure because this is just inhumane and disgusting!!!

WTF happened to EQUAL RIGHTS and EQUALITY?????

:rant:

Vicky. 23-12-2015 12:42 PM

What a ****ing disgrace that they will not be refunded.

We have not enough info to comment on the refused entry part. America is very strict with who it lets in tbh. Mind its a bit strange that they were granted visas, and then refused? Maybe told a white lie on applying for the visa ;)

dojo88 23-12-2015 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 8371262)
What a ****ing disgrace that they will not be refunded.

We have not enough info to comment on the refused entry part. America is very strict with who it lets in tbh. Mind its a bit strange that they were granted visas, and then refused? Maybe told a white lie on applying for the visa ;)

Yes, you're right and I think that they should be much more lenient with who can enter the USA!!

I think it is just an absolute bloody disgrace that they can ban whomever they wish to, and unfortunately that can mean INNOCENT people, that is completely wrong and unethical!! ONLY BAN THE GENUINE TERROR THREATS!!!!!

These idiots should get their act together, do their jobs properly and focus only on those who are trying to enter the country illegally, banning innocent people from entering the USA should stop because they don't realise that THEY are embarrassing not only the innocent people they ban but themselves as well.

lostalex 23-12-2015 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 8371262)
What a ****ing disgrace that they will not be refunded.

We have not enough info to comment on the refused entry part. America is very strict with who it lets in tbh. Mind its a bit strange that they were granted visas, and then refused? Maybe told a white lie on applying for the visa ;)

not really, we take in more people than almost any other country. I think only France has more foreign visitors per year than the US.

Vicky. 23-12-2015 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8371277)
not really, we take in more people than almost any other country. I think only France has more foreign visitors per year than the US.

By this I mean even for a holiday you need to be pre-cleared..not anything against it. Just that its well known that it is more paperwork and such to have a holiday in America than most other places :p

Vicky. 23-12-2015 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dojo88 (Post 8371274)
Yes, you're right and I think that they should be much more lenient with who can enter the USA!!

I think it is just an absolute bloody disgrace that they can ban whomever they wish to, and unfortunately that can mean INNOCENT people, that is completely wrong and unethical!! ONLY BAN THE GENUINE TERROR THREATS!!!!!

These idiots should get their act together, do their jobs properly and focus only on those who are trying to enter the country illegally, banning innocent people from entering the USA should stop because they don't realise that THEY are embarrassing not only the innocent people they ban but themselves as well.

I think its a good idea, personally :shrug:

You don't know who is a genuine terror threat anyway, how would you?

kirklancaster 23-12-2015 01:10 PM

I think it wise to let the full facts emerge before throwing out accusations such as 'Racist' and 'Discrimination' in outraged knee-jerk reaction.

I am not saying that this unfortunate family have done anything wrong, or that a system which allows them to get as far as they did, then stops them is not a faulty one, but only that it is folly to rant and level accusations of 'Racism' at members until the full picture emerges.

To me - and my faulty old logical mind - it is the very fact that this family in particular have been stopped out of - - presumably -- hundreds of other USA bound Muslims which suggests that maybe, just maybe, the multi-billion dollar American Security Services, and perhaps, their British counterpart, might just have some very valid reasons for this seemingly outrageous action.

Further - and I am NOT saying this is the case here - if me and my mate were about to travel from the UK to the USA to link up with US domiciled covert Jihadists to bring Christmas misery and tragedy to unsuspecting innocent civilians -- taking our children as cover is EXACTLY what I would do.

Closer to home, wily shoplifters use their little tots as cover to shoplift.

I just think - as in the 'so-called' case of the snotty city type in the CK suit ordering a dust covered builder in his work clothes to let him have his seat on the tube, some of these news items are not what they first appear.

dojo88 23-12-2015 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 8371280)
I think its a good idea, personally :shrug:

You don't know who is a genuine terror threat anyway, how would you?

I respectfully disagree...

Banning someone from entering the USA for no reason whatsoever is completely cruel and unethical (especially towards children) and needs to stop. America is WAY too protective of their borders.

This is a clear breach of human rights and must stop immediately. Hearing news like this just makes me so sick in the stomach!! I wish this rubbish could stop!!!

arista 23-12-2015 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8371185)
does anyone else think it's a bit odd they were going on a long vacation with just the 2 dads and 9 kids?? where are the mothers?

So far there's no information why they were turned away, the Guardian sure is making a meal of it though.


The Mothers Protect the Homes from Burglers
in England

He got permission Online
but once there he and all the Family were Stopped
just before boarding

Vicky. 23-12-2015 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dojo88 (Post 8371285)
I respectfully disagree...

Banning someone from entering the USA for no reason whatsoever is completely cruel and unethical (especially towards children) and needs to stop. America is WAY too protective of their borders.


This is a clear breach of human rights and must stop immediately. Hearing news like this just makes me so sick in the stomach!! I wish this rubbish could stop!!!

I don't mean for no reason whatsoever. However, we do not know the facts of this case.

I think it is sensible to keep a close eye on who is coming into your country the way USA does. Even for holidays. Yeah its a pain in the arse applying for visas and such, but it makes their people safer.

lostalex 23-12-2015 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 8371295)
The Mothers Protect the Homes from Burglers
in England

Isn't that what the police are for?

lostalex 23-12-2015 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 8371284)
I think it wise to let the full facts emerge before throwing out accusations such as 'Racist' and 'Discrimination' in outraged knee-jerk reaction.

I am not saying that this unfortunate family have done anything wrong, or that a system which allows them to get as far as they did, then stops them is not a faulty one, but only that it is folly to rant and level accusations of 'Racism' at members until the full picture emerges.

To me - and my faulty old logical mind - it is the very fact that this family in particular have been stopped out of - - presumably -- hundreds of other USA bound Muslims which suggests that maybe, just maybe, the multi-billion dollar American Security Services, and perhaps, their British counterpart, might just have some very valid reasons for this seemingly outrageous action.

Further - and I am NOT saying this is the case here - if me and my mate were about to travel from the UK to the USA to link up with US domiciled covert Jihadists to bring Christmas misery and tragedy to unsuspecting innocent civilians -- taking our children as cover is EXACTLY what I would do.

Closer to home, wily shoplifters use their little tots as cover to shoplift.

I just think - as in the 'so-called' case of the snotty city type in the CK suit ordering a dust covered builder in his work clothes to let him have his seat on the tube, some of these news items are not what they first appear.


great post,. seriously, how many hundreds of muslims have traveled to the US for the holidays and not been bothered at all. so the idea that the US is imposing some sort of ban on UK muslims is ridiculous.

dojo88 23-12-2015 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 8371296)
I don't mean for no reason whatsoever. However, we do not know the facts of this case.

I think it is sensible to keep a close eye on who is coming into your country the way USA does. Even for holidays. Yeah its a pain in the arse applying for visas and such, but it makes their people safer.

How would you feel if you booked a 9 grand holiday to America, arrived at Heathrow, Gatwick or whichever airport you use with all your paperwork, visas, passports etc all ready and organised and be told to **** off by one of their homeland border staff just because they "believe" you are a so called "terror threat"???

I would feel humiliated if that happened to me, wouldn't you??? I'm sure any civilised human being would.

It's a disgrace!!!

Livia 23-12-2015 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dojo88 (Post 8371285)
I respectfully disagree...

Banning someone from entering the USA for no reason whatsoever is completely cruel and unethical (especially towards children) and needs to stop. America is WAY too protective of their borders.

This is a clear breach of human rights and must stop immediately. Hearing news like this just makes me so sick in the stomach!! I wish this rubbish could stop!!!

They banned them for no reason? Do you have access to some information that no one else on here on here and no one else in the media are privy to at this moment? I'd be interested to know how you've reached the conclusion that this is a "clear breach of Human Rights" after reading the same as everyone else on here has read.

arista 23-12-2015 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8371299)
Isn't that what the police are for?


If the Police know about a break in
sure,
better to have someone living there
while you are away.

lostalex 23-12-2015 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8371309)
They banned them for no reason? Do you have access to some information that no one else on here on here and no one else in the media are privy to at this moment? I'd be interested to know how you've reached the conclusion that this is a "clear breach of Human Rights" after reading the same as everyone else on here has read.

haven't you heard of that universally accepted HUMAN RIGHT that everyone can go to Disneyland?? :joker:

lostalex 23-12-2015 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 8371310)
If the Police know about a break in
sure,
better to have someone living there
while you are away.

you would think, muslims so concerned about fragile women they need to be covered, if someone breaks in, how would she defend herself against a thug? shouldn't it be the men that stay behind to defend?

That makes no sense to me. the men should go to disneyland and enjoy frivolity, but the woman should defend the castle?

Huge cultural differences i guess.

Vicky. 23-12-2015 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dojo88 (Post 8371306)
How would you feel if you booked a 9 grand holiday to America, arrived at Heathrow, Gatwick or whichever airport you use with all your paperwork, visas, passports etc all ready and organised and be told to **** off by one of their homeland border staff just because they "believe" you are a so called "terror threat"???

I would feel humiliated if that happened to me, wouldn't you??? I'm sure any civilised human being would.

It's a disgrace!!!

If this is what happened then it is indeed a disgrace. However, I feel that there is probably much more to it than this..

arista 23-12-2015 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8371313)
you would think, muslims so concerned about fragile women they need to be covered, if someone breaks in, how would she defend herself against a thug? shouldn't it be the men that stay behind to defend?

That makes no sense to me. the men should go to disneyland and enjoy frivolity, but the woman should defend the castle?

Huge cultural differences i guess.


They were looking after the 4 Kids
who grew up watching DisneyHD Ch.

bots 23-12-2015 02:03 PM

I find this all a bit silly tbh. Every country that requires a visa to enter their country can refuse you entry. Hundreds are refused every day, its not as if this is a one time incident, and it is certainly not just Muslims that get refused.

These cases always go through a full review process with a reason given if the decision is to deny entry, where is that information. This is a story created for sensationalism.

lostalex 23-12-2015 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 8371334)
They were looking after the 4 Kids
who grew up watching DisneyHD Ch.

so the men only watch the kids when it's for a fun expensive overseas vacation, but the women have to watch them the rest of the time? That makes me upset.

arista 23-12-2015 03:10 PM

He was on SkyNewsHD

And one of his kids had a Facebook page
of Radical Islam,
with he says with his address



He says its someone else.


Now I back the USA Embassy on this


Feck Me Our PM should not have anything to do with.


His Fecking address on a Facebook page

Thank you Kay Burley


And that Mother Fecking Labour MP
is Live now


Update her Kay

Crimson Dynamo 23-12-2015 03:11 PM

they found some sh1t on them and quite rightly said go home

good for the USA

Nedusa 23-12-2015 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dojo88 (Post 8371274)
Yes, you're right and I think that they should be much more lenient with who can enter the USA!!

I think it is just an absolute bloody disgrace that they can ban whomever they wish to, and unfortunately that can mean INNOCENT people, that is completely wrong and unethical!! ONLY BAN THE GENUINE TERROR THREATS!!!!!
These idiots should get their act together, do their jobs properly and focus only on those who are trying to enter the country illegally, banning innocent people from entering the USA should stop because they don't realise that THEY are embarrassing not only the innocent people they ban but themselves as well.

But aren't ALL Muslims Terror threats ???


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