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Ninastar 08-01-2016 10:01 PM

Should we respect opinions we don't agree with?
 
Obviously going with what's going on tonight... Do you think it's right to boo and hate and argue with those who we don't agree with?

It really winds me up how awful everyone has been towards Winston. Yes he's pretty disgusting with his views, but do people really think that treating him they way they did would fix anything? Like surely, it's better to show people they are wrong, rather than try and make them feel **** for their opinions?

I honestly think that when you treat people like they are disgusting for having a different opinion to you, it doesn't solve anything... You can change peoples opinions by encouraging them and hoping for the best. If you try and force them, nothing will change.

Just my opinion... I'm sure I'm in the minority though.

Lostie! 08-01-2016 10:02 PM

I respect other opinions. I don't respect being insulting and offensive, people need to differentiate between the two.

If you can't form an opinion without offending people then you have no right to demand respect.

LukeB 08-01-2016 10:03 PM

Everyone is entitled to their opinions/views but some opinions/views offend others and people have the right to be annoyed and angry just as much as the person is entitled to have an opinion. You can't really expect gay people to not react to what his views are. They are disgusting and it's 2016 views like that will not go down well

Tom4784 08-01-2016 10:03 PM

Yes, people are allowed opinions but we do not need to respect those opinions and nor should we if we disagree. I'll never respect someone who would want to deny a child a loving home because they disagree with the parents' sexuality.

MB. 08-01-2016 10:03 PM

This a show that boos and hisses people for their boob size, of course we should judge people on who they are and what they think. It's Big Brother.

Jake. 08-01-2016 10:04 PM

come out with a stupid view and respect a reaction

JoshBB 08-01-2016 10:05 PM

It depends which topic their opinion is on.

If a person had the personal view that capitalism was the superior economic system and had actual arguments to back it up, fair enough. They can think that and I would continue to not. :laugh:

But having your own views on the rights of a social group is not acceptable as an 'opinion', and anyone suggesting we should restrict the rights of a grouping on the basis of their sex, sexuality, gender identity, race, religion, nationality, ability/disablity etc is not okay and I won't respect anyone who holds those views. I also would not respect a fascist, nazi, or stalinist's opinions because of historical oppression and mass-murder.

edit: oh wait this isn't SN&D.. erm yeah judge people if they fake or nasty

Niamh. 08-01-2016 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 8405081)
Yes, people are allowed opinions but we do not need to respect those opinions and nor should we if we disagree. I'll never respect someone who would want to deny a child a loving home because they disagree with the parents' sexuality.


In a nut shell

Vicky. 08-01-2016 10:06 PM

Nah I don't think we should 'respect' opinions such as what was aired tonight. But completely ostracizing someone and talking over them when they try to explain, thats crap.

Ant. 08-01-2016 10:06 PM

Better respect Hitler's opinions then

Jake. 08-01-2016 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 8405116)
Nah I don't think we should 'respect' opinions such as what was aired tonight. But completely ostracizing someone and talking over them when they try to explain, thats crap.

but this i agree with

LukeB 08-01-2016 10:06 PM

"the child doesn't get a choice" makes it child abuse because the couple are gay...

makes no sense whatsoever, they don't have a choice with straight couples either.. so how is it any different...

Shaun 08-01-2016 10:07 PM

Oh I'm tired of this argument.

There's a difference between holding views that are unpopular and holding views that are actively discriminatory. Yes he should be heard, yes he should have a platform, but whenever he's reacted to with boos or jeers or ridicule it's because he's said something stupid and wrong and that's that.

It is fairly amusing seeing all of the 'freedom of speech' campaigners never really once stepping foot into the other 'freedom' movements, be they gay, religious, gender-related or racial.

In short: should we respect him? No. Should we listen to him/others like him, and tackle him head on? Yes.

(I'm not basing any of this on the Emma interview bc I wasn't paying attention to it)

Calderyon 08-01-2016 10:08 PM

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, whether itīs right or wrong.

Ninastar 08-01-2016 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 8405116)
Nah I don't think we should 'respect' opinions such as what was aired tonight. But completely ostracizing someone and talking over them when they try to explain, thats crap.

Exactly. I think what I meant when I made this thread is 'Should people just agree to disagree' about something and put it behind them.... Because I think the way Emma acted was a little bit ridiculous.

reece(: 08-01-2016 10:09 PM

His views will never get my respect.

It's good he's being exposed for his dire views though.

Jordan. 08-01-2016 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 8405116)
Nah I don't think we should 'respect' opinions such as what was aired tonight. But completely ostracizing someone and talking over them when they try to explain, thats crap.

2

Plus the fact they put him in knowing full well about stuff he'd said and then still played up the faux-outrage like they didn't expect it

rubymoo 08-01-2016 10:09 PM

I think everybody has a right to their opinion, however, Winstons opinion about gay couples adopting children being paramount to child abuse is ridiculous, with some opinions you can listen, raise your eyebrows and move on!

Firewire 08-01-2016 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reece(: (Post 8405150)
His views will never get my respect.

It's good he's being exposed for his dire views though.

tbh

I think there's a difference between people not supporting gay marriage to those who call it "child abuse".

Visage 08-01-2016 10:10 PM

Saying that gay people shouldn't adopt because it's child abuse isn't just an opinion it's offensive and completely untrue, people will always hate on that kind of behaviour.

These comments should be exposed and it's up to Winston where he goes from here.

You can't just say "Oh, I don't agree with you, but carry on likening gay adoption to child abuse, that's fine"

Vicky. 08-01-2016 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan. (Post 8405152)
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Plus the fact they put him in knowing full well about stuff he'd still and then still played up the faux-outrage like they didn't expect it

He was set up completely. He was only put in there to be ejected anyway which was clear from his opening VT airing the comment he made on there too.

I actually sort of suspect that Nancy had less votes than him tonight and thats why the 'twist' happened.

Yes I am playing conspiracies :joker:

Cherie 08-01-2016 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calderyon (Post 8405144)
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, whether itīs right or wrong.

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Shaun 08-01-2016 10:11 PM

The "everyone's entitled to an opinion" really is the last call of the defeated :laugh:

Cherie 08-01-2016 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 8405116)
Nah I don't think we should 'respect' opinions such as what was aired tonight. But completely ostracizing someone and talking over them when they try to explain, thats crap.

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EspeonBB 08-01-2016 10:12 PM

When someone likens gay adoption to child abuse and then defends that point using Christianity I'm not going to respect their views ever

I'm not saying he's not entitled to hold his views, I'm just saying I don't respect it

Cherie 08-01-2016 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 8405179)
The "everyone's entitled to an opinion" really is the last call of the defeated :laugh:

Who is not entitled to an opinion then?

GiRTh 08-01-2016 10:14 PM

Of course we respect opinions we dont agree with. Then we rip them to pieces.

Shaun 08-01-2016 10:14 PM

No one ever says otherwise Cherie, it's just always banded about as a last resort when someone has nothing left to say or defend themselves or their beliefs.

Calderyon 08-01-2016 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 8405179)
The "everyone's entitled to an opinion" really is the last call of the defeated :laugh:

What do you mean?

Iīm really confused.

I donīt agree with it (his opinion), but like everyone he has a right to voice his opinion, however outrageous and wrong it is.

T* 08-01-2016 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 8405081)
Yes, people are allowed opinions but we do not need to respect those opinions and nor should we if we disagree. I'll never respect someone who would want to deny a child a loving home because they disagree with the parents' sexuality.


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Kazanne 08-01-2016 10:15 PM

I am not saying we should respect them,but hell no one can say anything now without being bloody offended,it's ridiculous ,so he said stuff we don't like,that's his problem everyone should ignore it, no one says how they really feel anymre they are too scared to do that,the PC brigade are bleeding dangerous.

Ninastar 08-01-2016 10:15 PM

I just think people are over reacting a little bit. Especially people who his opinions don't even affect. Like seriously, I want kids more than anything and its more than likely that I will have to adopt... But I know opinions like this exist and it doesn't bother me at all. Unless someone is threatening my life or wishing me death etc, then I just don't care. People are allowed to have a different opinion to me :shrug:

JoshBB 08-01-2016 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 8405215)
I am not saying we should respect them,but hell no one can say anything now without being bloody offended,it's ridiculous ,so he said stuff we don't like,that's his problem everyone should ignore it, no one says how they really feel anymre they are too scared to do that,the PC brigade are bleeding dangerous.

This forum..

Someone could write an essay on why slavery was wrong and even then you would all come out screaming "PC BRIGADE!! LOONY LEFT! YOU SHAG MARX"

Kazanne 08-01-2016 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 8405116)
Nah I don't think we should 'respect' opinions such as what was aired tonight. But completely ostracizing someone and talking over them when they try to explain, thats crap.

:clap1::clap1:100% correct

rionablue 08-01-2016 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaos (Post 8405059)
Obviously going with what's going on tonight... Do you think it's right to boo and hate and argue with those who we don't agree with?

It really winds me up how awful everyone has been towards Winston. Yes he's pretty disgusting with his views, but do people really think that treating him they way they did would fix anything? Like surely, it's better to show people they are wrong, rather than try and make them feel **** for their opinions?

I honestly think that when you treat people like they are disgusting for having a different opinion to you, it doesn't solve anything... You can change peoples opinions by encouraging them and hoping for the best. If you try and force them, nothing will change.

Just my opinion... I'm sure I'm in the minority though.

I totally respect other opinions but what he said about gay people having a child is like child molestation it sickened me (and obviously many many others) to the absolute core. You live by the sword you die by the sword. You make a statement and when you have said it it has been said and there is no going back and he OBVIOUSLY wasn't retracting it. I have never seen such disgust ( and rightfully so) in Emmas face. That man has lost any support he had except of course vile little ninny Jeremy who obviously doesn't see much wrong in what Winston said. He kept trying to move the game on last night while the others were sitting there in shock.

Winston DESERVED everything he got last night and to be honest he didn't seen to give a TOSS

Cherie 08-01-2016 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaos (Post 8405217)
I just think people are over reacting a little bit. Especially people who his opinions don't even affect. Like seriously, I want kids more than anything and its more than likely that I will have to adopt... But I know opinions like this exist and it doesn't bother me at all. Unless someone is threatening my life or wishing me death etc, then I just don't care. People are allowed to have a different opinion to me :shrug:

Sums up my feelings on it all

Niamh. 08-01-2016 10:18 PM

And equally people have the right to disagree with those opinions Caitlin :shrug:

Jordan. 08-01-2016 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaos (Post 8405217)
I just think people are over reacting a little bit. Especially people who his opinions don't even affect. Like seriously, I want kids more than anything and its more than likely that I will have to adopt... But I know opinions like this exist and it doesn't bother me at all. Unless someone is threatening my life or wishing me death etc, then I just don't care. People are allowed to have a different opinion to me :shrug:

I agree. It makes no sense to get so worked up over one persons unpopular opinion, it's irrelevant.

Kazanne 08-01-2016 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoshBB (Post 8405229)
This forum..

Someone could write an essay on why slavery was wrong and even then you would all come out screaming "PC BRIGADE!! LOONY LEFT! YOU SHAG MARX"

I rest my case,lol and stop shouting and who shagged Richard Marx ?:laugh:

Cherie 08-01-2016 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8405237)
And equally people have the right to disagree with those opinions Caitlin :shrug:

But no one is trying to shut down your view :shrug:


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