Warm welcome for IDS in Peckham
 

I'd rather have IBS

I don't like IDS, but i don't agree with mob rule either.

Just what he deserves, I wouldn't want to be within sight of him.
It is a disgrace this heartless vile failure that the Conservatives dumped as leader even before he could lead them into a election, has ever been given power over the lives, livelihoods and incomes of the most vulnerable in UK society.

If it can help couples have a baby I cant see why oiks would try and shout at it?


bloody lefties

If it can help couples have a baby I cant see why oiks would try and shout at it?


bloody lefties

Usually I'm not down with this sort of thing but he's a massive **** so meh

IDS just chilling in the back seat reading the paper

Pretty much this

Good job it's not anything like that then, just a handful of people expressing how they feel about IDS, mind you that is how it would be reported in some rags, well done for preempting that.

The Tories are still in charge so all is well for the UK recovery from the mess that the labour party left us in.:thumbs:

Yup. I'm alright jack. Whats the deaths of a few disabled to anyone eh.

They mean nothing at all to IDS or this PM either.

it was an undemocratic mob

Is is undemocratic to voice your opinion to an elected official?
*clue- It isn't*

:wavey:It seems it appears to be if they are demonstrating or shouting anything against a Conservative politician Kizzy.

My guess,only a guess mind you, is that if these had maybe been moaning at Corbyn as to say as an example Trident, they would be classed as being intelligent and right.

A good thing I wasn't anywhere near him, I would possibly even have got arrested for what I would say to him for his disgraceful and obscene policies against the sick and disabled which actually are getting worse.

It is not right. I remember people on here saying it was fine to hound Nigel Farage and his daughters, something I also did not support

Its not that I am protecting the Tories - again a usual, predictable put down. I just have principles on the correct way to voice discontent - through the ballot box

Its distasteful the way posters behave on here

:clap1::clap1::clap1: It's only SOME posters BOTS. I will not risk a ban by expounding, but the irrefutable truth which illustrates the sheer hypocrisy of SOME posts is in black and white on various past threads - the Farage one which you mention being one.

The heckling by disgruntled members of the public of politicians who they disagree with, is traditional and historically accepted, but here - as in the Farage incident - these lowbrows were breaking a number of laws by physically attempting to block in IDS's car and prevent it from leaving among other things.

Let's be honest here; from spraying grafitti on war memorials to threatening Nigel Farage and his children and damaging his property, to this incident, it does not matter to some people just as long as the targets under attack are deemed by them to be 'Right Wing' targets.

In these types of ugly, anti-Democratic incidents, blind hatred of the Tories or other parties not 'Left Wing', overides logic, common decency, and honesty, and the most absurdly flawed and skewed reasoning is used to try to directly and openly justify such or acts, or mitigate them by indirect means.

I do not like IDS and I did not vote Tory, and my stance on these type of incidents would be exactly the same had it been Jeremy Corbyn who was the victim.

Has there been similar attacks by 'Right Wing' factions on Corbyn which are similar to this? Or attacks by 'Right Wing' factions on his family members such as in the Farage incident?

No?

This in itself speaks volumes about the abhorrent extremist 'Left wing' in this country.

If it is deemed all right by some on here that yet another mob of anti-Democratic lefties can break the law, then let's take that inane logic a step or two further when British Law is so readily discarded:

If it is perfectly acceptable for Marxist 'Rag, Tag, and Bobtails' to try to unlawfully detain IDS against his will by preventing his car from leaving, then it would be just as perfectly acceptable for IDS's bodyguards - or members of the public for that matter - to, violently if need be, remove the mob to allow IDS the right to leave.

If a few of these undemocratic loonies receive a cracked skull or two or a broken nose in the process, then so what - all Law has been discarded.

And THIS is the problem when our Law is so readily brushed aside by these idiots and their supporters - WHERE does it end?

If one law can be ignored, then why not others? Is one law more valid than another? Should the interpretation of our Laws ever be at the mercy of anti-Democratic mobs?

As you so RIGHTLY say BOTS, we have a democratic process for expressing discontent with a political party, but more than that, we have a time-honoured tradition outside of that process for peaceful protest including heckling and jeering, and this being the GREAT DEMOCRACY it is, such peaceful protesters can exercise that tradition safe from being murdered or brutalised by the state - as in other countries.

These mobs are NOT peaceful protesters though - are they. Well, at least some of us honestly recognise that.

If I was on the Headrow in Leeds and you were walking towards me, and I decided that I did not like your hair colour or the way you dress, have I a right to convert my dislike into hatred and scream obscenities at you?

More than that, having screamed obscenities at you, have I then a right to try to physically prevent you from going about your LAWFUL business by blocking your path and unlawfully detaining you?

Do not confuse anarchy - in any of its ugly forms - with peaceful protest.

Can you just clarify that you are not accusing me of putting you down here....because I haven't.
It is a different topic, of course the situation with Farage was wrong as he was with his family I wouldn't condone that.
I feel in this instance the public were justified in voicing their feelings.

If that is your personal stance then fair play, however I still can't accept that to criticise a minister in a govt you may, or may not have voted in could be described as undemocratic.

That analogy is in no way representative of what is happening here.

Well that goes without saying, I feel that even though Corbyn was democratically elected he has had more flack in the last few weeks than the conservatives have in 10yrs!
We (for now) have a right to voice our individual opinions, those who oppose that right may rue the day.

Yes he must get the Work done


I will have to have another word with Dave
a Terrorist can mingle in that group.

In the future
The Road will be cleared fist


One Crazy Lady called IDS a Nazi
she must get back to finish her Education

No? Well why don't you try explaining to me why it isn't?

I'm not a govt minister and my hair is not party policy.

Wasn't IDS 'democratically elected'? And any flack Comrade Corbyn might have taken is not on the same level as being intimidated by baying idiots who are attempting to physically stop you from going about your lawful business.

Finally, who is trying to stop you voicing your individual opinions?

The point is IDS is very unaccessible too, when he does interviews on TV he rarely gets much in depth criticism,I still remain astounded the night he was on Question Time and there were no questions as to benefit cuts through the whole programme.

He hides behind his Parliamentary privilege and loves lecturing but not being cross examined.
he throws out any information he is informed of by Charities, welfare groups the CAB, and all others who look into what is happening to those affected by his heartless cuts to benefits,he dismisses and generally just says that should not be happening, wile not lifting a finger to stop it happening.

Rarely has any Minister warranted such rotten criticism of him and anger being directed at him than he does.
I think he is the worst politician around at present and for me he wouldn't be an MP let alone a Minister.

Then he has the audacity to call himself a Christian,well if I walked into a Catholic Church and he was in it, I would be straight out the door not wanting to breathe the same air let alone be anywhere near him.

If they were not already in place, heartless arrogance and total ignorance could have been his inventions.

I'm talking about brainless wonders being intimidating and committing threatening behaviour and attempting to unlawfully detain someone against their will.

Corbyn is bayed at by supporters of Herr Smith ...So what? it happens.
All ministers and leaders have their supporters and their detractors, they didn't stop him doing what he was doing so no harm done, it's still not undemocratic.

They shouted at the brainless wonder from 100 ft away and while he was in a vehicle, I'd say he was pretty safe.

They can CLEARLY be heard to be screaming in their mangled English not to let the car leave, and they were mere yards away. If the police were not present who knows what would have transpired.

They are shouting yes, the rest is pure conjecture.

He is being investigated for human rights abuses ( I think) thought I saw that somewhere, may be wrong though. My guess is he would go up in flames if he stepped in a church Joey.

Ah, here it is...

The UN is to visit the UK to investigate whether Iain Duncan Smith’s welfare reforms have caused “grave or systematic violations” of disabled peoples’ human rights, it has been reported.

A leading disability charity says that they have been contacted by the UN Committee on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities as part of an investigation into human rights abuses against disabled people in the UK.

Inclusion Scotland, a consortium of disability organisations in Scotland, says the UN committee has advised them that they will be sending a Special Rapporteur to the UK in the “near future” as part of their probe.

Director of Policy Bill Scott told The Sunday Herald: “The UN have notified us they will be visiting Britain to investigate… and want to meet with us when they come, sometime in the next few months.''

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10478536.html

For God's sake:

8 seconds into the video - despite the male inbreed's incessant strangled cries of 'Murderer' - is the female cry "We don't want them getting out".

And while we are at it, look at the truth behind your other delusional claim:

"They shouted at the brainless wonder from 100 ft away and while he was in a vehicle, I'd say he was pretty safe."

They were AT THE CAR WINDOWS and surrounding the bloody car!

:facepalm:

These people have a genuine grievance, your mocking use of language to describe them does not detract from that.

Yes he was in a vehicle, How could they manhandle him from there are you going to presume they use some kind of force? Again that would be pure fantasy.

This was proven again this week, when it emerged that the Department for Work and Pensions’ fit-to-work assessments actually cost more money than they save. An official report by the government’s own financial watchdog revealed the damning fact that while the DWP is paying £1.6 billion for the tests between now and 2020, the system is expected to save the government less than £1bn during the same period.'

Just because we have had six years of austerity rhetoric doesn’t mean that we should ever accept the government’s campaign of cuts is about being financially sensible rather than right-wing ideology. Prejudice against the working class is something the Conservatives have long-held; ‘austerity’ is merely being co-opted as the current convenient and socially acceptable veneer through which to administer it.

The government can try as much as it likes to frame the austerity debate as one of prudence, paternalism or public interest but the reality is that the numbers simply do not add up. Austerity in 2015 is not about economics but ideology, and the most vulnerable people in our society will suffer under it for as long as the Conservatives continue to convince us otherwise

'The country is paying £600 million to actively hound vulnerable benefits claimants, with no benefit to taxpayers at all.

A critical glance elsewhere within the government’s austerity programme shows similar cracks through which their ideological motivations of rolling back the state and advancing middle class interests burst through, groaning under the strain of feigned sincerity about economic prudence.

It is not about financial prudence following the recession but strategic rolling back of the state and removal of support for vulnerable people, in line with the Conservatives’ ideology.


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a6807741.html

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2: Your confused and conradictory posts kill me Kizzy, honestly: -

What You Wrote:

"They shouted at the brainless wonder from 100 ft away..":

What You Criticise Me For: .

"... your mocking use of language to describe them"

Yes I did, I used the same terminology you did in the post previous to describe the protesters if you noticed.
I was just mirroring you to show you how it looks.

:laugh: Yeah, of course you were, but there was no need - IDS is a brainless wonder and these 'protesters' are inbred morons.

I am keeping off this thread now,before I get really angry.
I just learned,surprisingly,one of my Cousins were one of those as described on here as 'inbred morons',(absolutely disgusting terminology), taking part in this.

As you say most with likely genuine grievances,they would have been hailed on here were it against a Labour politician.

That's it I am done on this thread,you have made really good points all through Kizzy and no way would I give an ounce of credit or support to IDS.
In my view he himself invites all the negativity against him.