Net migration to UK rises to 333,000
 

Net migration to UK rises to 333,000 - second highest on record
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36382199

Camerons promise to get migration down to the tens of thousands is failing miserably.
Immigration is only going one way and that is up.This trend can't carry on.We live on a very tiny island and our cities are already jam packed.

What do you think can be done to get immigration down to managable levels?

Stop employers recruiting from abroad to get past the minimum wage laws?

Vote to leave the EU.

Look at Oz

They saw they had a boat refugee crisis so they said "anyone coming to this country on boats or makeshift vessels will not be allowed in, period, no matter what is happening in your country"

The people making money out of this got the message and it stopped. You have to be hard, not sentimental and decisive,.

If you want to move to Oz you have to have something to offer their society, a trade at least, or a profession. You just have to show up in the UK.

I'm just gonna rock up like Jonny Depps dogs :laugh:

Seriously though I saw the headline that if we leave the EU migration will be down to zero....bullplop.

WE'RE FULL! THERE'S NO ROOM! CLOSE THE BORDERS!!!!!1 grrr

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/m...habits_464.jpg

And then we'll have to relax any new immigration laws that come from leaving the EU in order to trade with them. Leaving the EU will not affect immigration in the slightest.

not sure what point you are making there other than to show that huge swathes of the UK are not fit for habitation?

:joker: great banta

well you go live in the purple bit for a few months and report back to me

:smug:

Well at least you managed to point out that it has increased "to" 333,000 which is slightly less hysterical than LT's thread of yesteryear in which he insisted that it had increased "by" 300,000 :joker:... ...

So most of that uninhabited land is farmland.You suggest trying to get farmers to sell their land and create new cities to try and house and employ all these people?This would cost a fortune and create alot more polution.Not to mention the infrastructure needed.New roads,railways,busses,hospitals,prisons,police etc etc and what about the farming industry which is already suffering?Eventually the UK would just be one giant concrete jungle with no countryside left.
Something will have to be done eventually.We can only keep burying our heads in the sand for so long.

Applies to the world tbh. We're ****ed.

http://www.worldometers.info/watch/world-population/

I agree.
Actually in my view,there is no way I can see the UK getting any noteworthy trade deal with the EU were we to leave without accepting EU citizens to come to the UK.
There would be hardly any chance at all I would say of any deal for the UK,being accepted by and then ratified by the remaining 27 EU nations, unless it involved the UK still accepting the free movement of EU citizens.

The only immigration we will likely be able to control is the one we actually can now if we wanted to, from the other nations of the World.
The very Nations we will probably need to suck up to to ensure any decent future for the UK.

This is another red herring from the out campaign side in my opinion,who really cannot even say what exactly should, or will be, the deal sought from the EU,even if with their antagonistic overtones, they could even negotiate any decent deal at all with the EU.

I beg to differ.

Immigration is an issue, there is no hiding from it, and if the EU leaders had a bit of backbone they would deal with it. If we do end up out of the EU, it will be immigration worries that swung it.

Our illegal immigration won't go down, but the legal immigration will. We can and will dictate the terms under those circumstances.

So if we trade with the world as a non EU member state can you guarantee that trade deals will have no ties to freedom of movement?

No one can Kizzy.

I myself however,feel as sure as I can be that no way, will the 27 Nations we will be leaving behind with the EU we actually help to set up as it is now too,will any even just good trading deal with the UK be ratified by all those 27 Countries unless the UK fully accepts the free movement issue.

In or out, that will still go on,I really believe that.

The EU is in a shambles. Leaving the EU means we get to decide who we trade with and we only sign up if we think it is good for Great Britain. All this negative nonsense of oh dear we will have to go cap in hand to the EU cos if we leave they are gonna make life hard for the UK is absolute scare monger rubbish. The EU needs the UK more than we need them.

Why's that then?..

This is an idea borne of an inflated sense of how great "Great" Britain still is, though. This idea that Britain can sift through the trading CV's of every other country and pick out the cream of the crop, and those countries will be happy to spark up lucrative trade agreements with us to the benefit of Britain... because who wouldn't want the honour of licking the UK's boots, right? :joker:

No. If the UK leaves the EU, and thus London's status as an access hub in Europe, I fear we will all very quickly learn just how irrelevant our little island is in global terms.

Absolutely,very well put and I agree with every word.

Me too, we're the worlds dumping ground.. oh you want to put your nuclear power plant here? ok and you want to frack the shi* out of the place?
That's fine.... :idc:
What's that despot? you need some guns.... here you go!

I've already stated that I'm voting for out but I'm not kidding myself that if Brexit happens, and I doubt very much it will, we are going to hit tough times for a few years and because immigration boosts our economy, its the one thing the government will want to encourage.

As for trade deals, that's going to be a tough call and we can't speculate as to the sort of deals that will be made. One thing for certain is, Britain is a small Island with a big punch and its going to lose that punch if we pull out.

The only good I see in coming out is, we will be pulling away from global world order.

I don't think ive ever heard such nonsense lol
we could have our own points system like every other nation
controlled borders, catch illegal immigrants
encourage legal people with skills but also have no space for legitimate assylm seekers
also wed be allowed to bring in anyone we like from outside the EU cartel

If immigration is considered a big enough issue, it will be controlled if we are out of the EU. Trade works both ways, the UK are one of the biggest purchasers in europe too, so no trade can be tied to free movement unless WE want it to be. It basically will all boil down to the economics of it at the end of the day. The government of the time will set the terms that are most advantageous, whereas now our hands are tied.

I agree. We probably wouldn't have control over immigration if we wanted to stay in the singe market but most Leavers accept that now and there are plenty of alternatives available where we could control immigration.

I'm voting Remain and nothing that I hear from the Leave side has made me question my decision but the EU as a whole needs to rethink the migration issue. It's basically accepted now that Schengen has failed but free movement also needs to be rethought if the EU is to expand more and more. IMO the PMs deal is a start in that, even if the brake on benefits doesn't affect migrations levels at least it is a logical start to reforming EU immigration and a sensible measure

We can bring in anyone from outside the EU now and indeed do,over 150,000 of them in the last year.

You are correct we could have a points system, could being the operative word, it is not a certainty and will in fact depend on what the EU demands from us as to any trading deal.
They are not just going to fall over and give us anything we want.

theyre irrelevant to those decisions. what you also fail to factor is brexit will hurt those unelected crooks. it will see heads roll and the whole farce will simply have to become more realitstic and more democratic and accountable. heck if they manage to get rid of the crooks and the 109 billion missing euros and actually get their accounts passed and get youth unemployment to below 40% one day we the most successful nation in Europe may consider rejoining a new Europe...my heart bleeds for the greeks the italians, the portugueses and millions of other dirt poor eu members absolutely ensvaled to the eu leaders and merkel in particular, who is allowed to run germany and the eu simultaneously...lol talk about conflict of interests...the whole thing will sink regardless.

:thumbs:

So being out of the EU won't change a thing, do you think brexiteers know this?

We will be able to CHOOSE who we want/need from anywhere on the globe whilst keeping immigration numbers sensible.Doctors,technicians,refugees etc etc.Rather than thousands of strawberry pickers,cleaners or benefits migrants who end up getting benefits to top up their incomes.We will have less unemployed as the people we select will be skilled and targeted for the areas they are needed and more jobs for us.

it will change a lot for those poor people still in this corrupt illegal cartel

it will enable us to do what we like trade all over the world let in who we want when we want and yes it will also help us allow some of the REAL desperate genuine refugees not zillions of illegal immigrants , many of whom bring no skills and refuse to integrate...some also are serious criminals and some are potential terrorists. if we select who we want we can bring in thousands of fantastic hard working people, we can vet those illegal people and we can help the real victims. oh and we can look after british people too who have paid into the system their whole lives. or is looking after our fellow brits now considered racist too?

Probably they do Kizzy but maybe do not want to acknowledge that fact.

We had a nett migration of 334,000 last year of which only 184,000 were from the EU.

If we come out of the EU and firmly refuse to do any deal with the EU that involves the free movement of EU citizens, then we would be able to stop people coming from the EU to the UK.

If that is, and for me it is a mighty big 'if' but also in my view probably impossible we could get any trading deal with the EU,where all the other 27 EU members would give us said deal, without the insistence of free movement of EU citizens.

Hypothetically,If I personally was one of the heads of those other 27 EU Nations we would be leaving behind in the EU.
I would not be looking to give the UK any easy deal whatsoever.

I frankly in that scenario, would not even be bothered likely what happened to the UK, and would hope most or even all the foreign investment there is in the UK would be moved to mainland Europe after the UK left too.

The full and real duty of the EU hierarchy will be to do the best for, and satisfy, the remaining EU member Nations, not run after a Nation 'choosing' to run away.

Then if you were the head of one of those 27 nations you would be massively losing out on a massive market for your country.
Those heads of state want and need a good deal with us and won't cut off their noses to spite their face.

This is where you and I differ strongly on this one,I see the UK as the one cutting off its nose to spite its face by leaving.
Which is why I am not taking that risk and will vote to remain.

If however as to your point, I was one of those 27 heads of an EU member remaining, I would take that risk and refuse to ratify any deal for the UK that did not insist on the UK accepting the free movement of EU citizens.
That would then be the UKs choice to make.

Even if we do leave however, I do in fact believe ayway that the UK govt in negotiation for a deal,will accept the free movement of EU citizens, saying that was the only way to get a substantial and good deal for the UK in the end.

There is not going to be any other referendum asking the UK voters again if they want to accept the negotiated deal made by the govt after an exit vote.
That decision will be the govts and the govts alone.

That's petty self defeatist self destructive and would bankrupt the eu even more lol
Don't you get it the eu is bust

Even if the government in power does'nt think that migration is too high now.At the rate it's coming it's not going to be all that long until we as a country have to put the brakes on or atleast take control of the numbers.This tiny island has its limits.Atleast out of the EU we have the option to do that when the sh1t really does hit the fan and one government will have to do that,It is inevitable.It's going to happen.As an EU member we are impotent to do anything.

NM if your reasons for voting to leave the EU hinge on migration levels, I'd humbly (since I'm a humble fellow) suggest that you've been mislead and will be disappointed (in the event of Brexit, when it has little impact on migration). If you have other solid reasons for wanting out of the EU, if you just think that on balance it's the right way to go, then that's one thing... but so many people are letting their thinking regarding the referrendum hinge on migration and it's a complete red herring.