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Pete. 12-07-2016 09:45 PM

Is Annihilation Week a step towards the adoption of a BBUSA format?
 
Just wondering if this is a sort of trial :think:

Nerd 12-07-2016 09:48 PM

I do hope so. But if they're going to go that way next time, they really need to stick to the rules of BBUSA, and not throw in these half-arsed twists. Maybe they should use a shorter CBB to fully test out the HoH, PoV and eviction rules.

Denver 12-07-2016 09:48 PM

you say that like they have never let the housemates decide who goes before

Jack_ 12-07-2016 10:23 PM

With any luck eh?

armand.kay 12-07-2016 10:30 PM

I hope not.

Marsh. 12-07-2016 10:31 PM

Not really. They've done it before. It's a channel 5 obsession now.

Along with "secret" rooms, cash give aways and face to face noms.

MB. 12-07-2016 10:34 PM

The HoH room to be revealed post-series a la the BB8 washing machine?

Jamie89 12-07-2016 10:34 PM

Not sure, I don't know if it's so much a trial, as it is a coincidence that the latest twist just happens to resemble the BBUS format. I'd be here for it though, I used to be completely against the idea but I'd like them to at least do one full (or mini) series where they try it out. I don't think you can properly trial something like that in one week.

Oliver_W 12-07-2016 10:34 PM

I want another moment like Kween Maddy's "I'm letting my target be known: Cassandra, your ass is grass"

Greg! 12-07-2016 11:29 PM

Stop trying to make the US format happen. It's not going to happen

Raph 12-07-2016 11:32 PM

It would make my day if this was the case

Maru 12-07-2016 11:35 PM

Please no

Jack_ 12-07-2016 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raph (Post 8810721)
It would make my day if this was the case

Another member who knows what's best, welcome to the club Raph :clap1:

LukeB 12-07-2016 11:42 PM

I hope this is the case, I don't really care I just hate the UK format. It's getting awful and I just want to see people win HOH, slit some throats(not actually do that but a BBUSA/CAN fan will know what I'm saying) and make smart moves etc.

Jack_ 12-07-2016 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 8810738)
I hope this is the case, I don't really care I just hate the UK format. It's getting awful and I just want to see people win HOH, slit some throats and make smart moves etc.

:clap1:

Greg! 13-07-2016 12:06 AM

Not being funny but if you want to watch the BBUS format, watch BBUS or BBCAN

Jack_ 13-07-2016 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg! (Post 8810771)
Not being funny but if you want to watch the BBUS format, watch BBUS or BBCAN

Of all the arguments that gain traction on here, this is one of the dumbest and I don't know why it keeps being repeated

I do watch BBUS and BBCan and will continue to, but if some people who watch those versions and prefer their format think that BBUK would be better suited to adopting it - they are entitled to say so. Because it would.

It's just a silly argument. If I enjoy a format why wouldn't I want another place to be able to watch it? And one for that matter that I could watch British people competing on and also be given the opportunity to apply for it myself

Greg! 13-07-2016 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 8810775)
Of all the arguments that gain traction on here, this is one of the dumbest and I don't know why it keeps being repeated

I do watch BBUS and BBCan and will continue to, but if some people who watch those versions and prefer their format think that BBUK would be better suited to adopting it - they are entitled to say so. Because it would.

It's just a silly argument. If I enjoy a format why wouldn't I want another place to be able to watch it? And one for that matter that I could watch British people competing on and also be given the opportunity to apply for it myself

That's literally like saying "I like coronation street more than eastenders so to improve eastenders they should axe the cast, move the show to Manchester and bring some northerners in because I personally find it more entertaining". Bbus and bbuk are two completely different TV shows

Cal. 13-07-2016 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg! (Post 8810782)
That's literally like saying "I like coronation street more than eastenders so to improve eastenders they should axe the cast, move the show to Manchester and bring some northerners in because I personally find it more entertaining". Bbus and bbuk are two completely different TV shows

:clap1:

Jack_ 13-07-2016 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg! (Post 8810782)
That's literally like saying "I like coronation street more than eastenders so to improve eastenders they should axe the cast, move the show to Manchester and bring some northerners in because I personally find it more entertaining". Bbus and bbuk are two completely different TV shows

That's a really weak analogy. You cannot compare two completely different serial dramas that have different casts and different scripts. People who watch only one of EastEnders and Coronation Street do so because they have no interest in the other.

You can however compare two shows with exactly the same name and exactly the same premise, just different methods of conducting nominations and evictions. Because I have an interest in both, but prefer the format of one over the other.

Ross. 13-07-2016 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 8810738)
slit some throats

D:

armand.kay 13-07-2016 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg! (Post 8810711)
Stop trying to make the US format happen. It's not going to happen

This can you just watch BBUS and leave the superior format be.

Jordan. 13-07-2016 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 8810737)
Another member who knows what's best, welcome to the club Raph :clap1:

I don't understand how it's better, the housemates are the one's who put the big characters up for eviction in the first place. Not having the public vote isn't going to stop that.

Jack_ 13-07-2016 12:32 AM

lol a format based on evicting people for speaking and being unfortunate enough to have a fanny, interspersed by messy and inconsistent nomination 'twists' is by no means superior

Cal. 13-07-2016 12:34 AM

BBUS format in the UK would be awful because the UK housemates don't think the way the BBUS/CAN housemates think. With a BBUS format in the UK amazing housemates like Deana, Ashleigh, etc would have been evicted due to being disliked by the house instead of for tactical reasons, and they wouldn't have been able to have been saved by the public and therefore have amazing moments like ABCD? Stories like that would have just ended with Deana being sent home whilst her enemy and the villain Conor stayed due to being popular with the house.

Headie 13-07-2016 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by armand.kay (Post 8810806)
This can you just watch BBUS and leave the superior format be.

Agreed

Jack_ 13-07-2016 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan. (Post 8810809)
I don't understand how it's better, the housemates are the one's who put the big characters up for eviction in the first place. Not having the public vote isn't going to stop that.

Because evictions will then be based on merit, as opposed to because someone dared to speak in an episode or because they're unlucky enough to be a woman.

Evictions don't always go my way under the US format either, but if you are evicted it is generally speaking through your own doing because your social game wasn't strong enough and you underplayed. That is far fairer than whatever bull**** the British voting public come up with as a means to evict you, and I can stomach the losses of my favourites much more.

Greg! 13-07-2016 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 8810810)
lol a format based on evicting people for speaking and being unfortunate enough to have a fanny, interspersed by messy and inconsistent nomination 'twists' is by no means superior

The messy twists are nothing to do with the format though?? It's production that needs to change for the show to improve, there's no need to rip up an iconic TV show format that's been on TV for 17 years

Amy Jade 13-07-2016 12:38 AM

I can't see them doing that - they'll want the income from the phone votes but I can totally see Greg and Armands point that if people prefer that format it's the one used in most formats you can watch and leave those that enjoy the UK one to enjoy it etc

The announcement of the public vote has given us some iconic moments too like Deana and Becky beating Arron or Sezer getting the boot. Even this year Marco's reaction was hilarious!

Jack_ 13-07-2016 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Who Is She? (Post 8810812)
BBUS format in the UK would be awful because the UK housemates don't think the way the BBUS/CAN housemates think. With a BBUS format in the UK amazing housemates like Deana, Ashleigh, etc would have been evicted due to being disliked by the house instead of for tactical reasons, and they wouldn't have been able to have been saved by the public and therefore have amazing moments like ABCD? Stories like that would have just ended with Deana being sent home whilst her enemy and the villain Conor stayed due to being popular with the house.

There's an argument that playing personally is the best and most entertaining way to utilise the US format (which is what would definitely happen with a bunch of messy Brits) and part of me agrees so anyone worrying about a lack of entertainment wouldn't have anything to worry about, in fact I think it may actually enhance it in more ways than one. As a side note it's weird that the producers are always seeking to incite drama these days and love face to face noms and here's a format which literally encapsulates that and they ignore it

Also you are forgetting that in order to evict someone you have to win power under the US rules and dare I say people like Ashleigh and Deana would've definitely had multiple competition wins under their belt, so your pessimistic outlook of how things would go down isn't entirely true

Jordan. 13-07-2016 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 8810815)
Because evictions will then be based on merit, as opposed to because someone dared to speak in an episode or because they're unlucky enough to be a woman.

Evictions don't always go my way under the US format either, but if you are evicted it is generally speaking through your own doing because your social game wasn't strong enough and you underplayed. That is far fairer than whatever bull**** the British voting public come up with as a means to evict you, and I can stomach the losses of my favourites much more.

So by that logic, based on merit the likes of Sam and Alex deserve to be there more because they've played the game better unlike the likes of Andy and Jayne who would be out this week had BB not added some twists in :shrug:

Jason. 13-07-2016 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 8810738)
I hope this is the case, I don't really care I just hate the UK format. It's getting awful and I just want to see people win HOH, slit some throats(not actually do that but a BBUSA/CAN fan will know what I'm saying) and make smart moves etc.

If you hate the format, then don't watch BBUK and watch BBUS instead? :shrug:

Jordan. 13-07-2016 12:43 AM

If this series had been down to the housemates alone Natalie, Charlie, Chelsea, maybe Marco and Jayne and Andy would be out. How is that any better than the public vote?

Amy Jade 13-07-2016 12:48 AM

Good point, Jayne would have been out 2 or 3 weeks ago when she got 10 noms under the US rule :worry:

MB. 13-07-2016 12:54 AM

Personally I think all evictions should be decided via the medium of a Lip Sync for Your Life

Jack_ 13-07-2016 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amy Jade (Post 8810820)
leave those that enjoy the UK one to enjoy it etc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason. (Post 8810825)
If you hate the format, then don't watch BBUK and watch BBUS instead? :shrug:

ugh this is such a stupid argument and it needs to stop being recited

I like the premise of Big Brother itself and that is why I watch multiple versions. I prefer however the format that is used in the US and Canada and think it should be adopted here because it's superior and would enhance the show and freshen it up. Plus I want to watch Brits playing under that format because I'm pretty sure it would be hilariously messy, and I want to be given an opportunity to apply for it myself

Again, why if I and others like a format that's used on an international incarnation of a global TV show we enjoy, would we not want it used in our home nation's version? Why would we choose to have two versions when we could have three? :conf:

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Originally Posted by Jordan. (Post 8810824)
So by that logic, based on merit the likes of Sam and Alex deserve to be there more because they've played the game better unlike the likes of Andy and Jayne who would be out this week had BB not added some twists in :shrug:

It's pointless using the current series under the current BBUK format to speculate about things like that since our version isn't set up properly for people to play games (certainly not ones that require any skill, more counterproductive ones) and in fact they're actively discouraged by both internal house politics and the viewing public. There's no way of telling who would and wouldn't be entertaining under different circumstances, and also I judge people completely differently under UK rules (who contributes the most) compared to US ones (who I subjectively like as people/find entertaining) so such a question can't really be answered

If in an alternative universe these housemates were competing under US rules however and Alex and Sam were playing well enough that they weren't evicted while Andy and Jayne weren't, then yes, that would be based on merit as opposed to whatever BS the public voters had come up with and is far fairer. If they were still dull and outlasted bigger characters then yes I'd still be annoyed as I am now when I watch BBUS and BBCan, but I can stomach their evictions far better because I know for the most part it is their own doing rather than being guilty of something moronic like speaking in an episode or out of their hands like not having a penis

Ross. 13-07-2016 12:58 AM

what if I like both versions

http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/cust...ar60738_39.gif

MB. 13-07-2016 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Ross. (Post 8810845)

Then watch Big Brother Canada http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/cust...ar60738_39.gif

Jack_ 13-07-2016 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan. (Post 8810827)
If this series had been down to the housemates alone Natalie, Charlie, Chelsea, maybe Marco and Jayne and Andy would be out. How is that any better than the public vote?

You cannot guarantee that at all, because people are forgetting that to gain control over who's at risk of being evicted, you have to win power. There's absolutely no reason why people like Charlie, Marco and Andy certainly couldn't win a few HoH's or PoV's to secure their and their friends positions

So too is their no guarantee that all of the housemates would target these people for the same reasons they are now. Would Jayne be a threat to anyone under US rules? Not really

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amy Jade (Post 8810834)
Good point, Jayne would have been out 2 or 3 weeks ago when she got 10 noms under the US rule :worry:

But under different rules you cannot guarantee the exact same house dynamics would exist. Sure, as I keep saying I expect most Brits would play personally and as viewers we'd be rewarded for it, but there would inevitably be some who altered the way they conducted themselves in the house to try and further themselves (including Jayne), and may be perceptible enough to know someone like her wouldn't be a competition threat in any way whatsoever and shouldn't be targeted

MB. 13-07-2016 01:01 AM

(I'd intended to post an image of Christine Kelsey instead there, but I'm sure a little bit of self-promotion won't hurt)


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