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Pete. 30-07-2016 04:32 PM

Harry Potter and the Cursed Child Discussion
 

Ninastar 30-07-2016 04:34 PM

Isnt it like a play script? I dont think ive ever read one, apart from in school so i dont know if i'd enjoy it

Wizard. 30-07-2016 05:02 PM

Here for it :clap1: I'd love to go see the play but I'm broke and the fact that it's two parts doesn't help. I wish they'd record it and sell it on DVD

Wizard. 30-07-2016 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninastar (Post 8870591)
Isnt it like a play script? I dont think ive ever read one, apart from in school so i dont know if i'd enjoy it

I'll buy it and we should act it out on here lol

Macie Lightfoot 31-07-2016 09:20 AM

Just stayed up to read it all even though I read the plot spoilers long ago, and even though this was pretty much a ****ty fan fiction come to life and I should hate it, I didn't? I don't know, it just feels so good to have a Harry Potter book in front of me that I don't even care that it was needlessly convoluted and just really bad :love:

Pete. 31-07-2016 10:59 AM

Just gone out and bought it :clap1:

Even though the plot shall be a mess like Macie said the nostalgia and stuff makes it bearable

Tom4784 31-07-2016 01:15 PM

I read the first part, I really liked it. I'll be looking forward to the inevitable adaptation.

Tom4784 31-07-2016 03:51 PM

And I'm done.

I liked it a lot, the story was a little predictable and the fact that it's a play is limiting in terms of how big the scope of the story is. I'm really eager for the inevitable Film/TV adaptations though, if each part runs for about an hour and half on stage then I imagine the films may add more material to them to buff the running time to 2-2.5 hours which could help fill out the plot a little more and allow the story to breathe a bit.

Pros
- Albus and Scorpius are good lead characters.
- The opening scenes are great and I look forward to see them expanded upon when the adaptations happen.
- The parallels between Albus and Harry and their relationship is well handled.
- The character moments are excellent.
- Harry is far more compelling in this then he's ever been in the other books.


Cons
- The dialogue lacks that JK-ness about it. It's a little clumsy in parts.
- The story is a little too fast paced but it's understandable given that it's a play.
- The focus is squarely on a small number of characters and it's irksome that some characters get snubbed completely but then again it's a play so it's forgivable
-The overarching plot is a little messy and overly convenient. The script succeeds when it comes to smaller moments and relationships but the overall plot needs refining and expanding upon.

Glenn. 31-07-2016 04:37 PM

Got through it quite quickly.

I would definitely welcome an film/tv adaptation. It has the potential to work really well on film. I agree with Dezzy that the plot was convenient. It felt a little too fan fiction in some places.

I love Albus and Scorpius so much. I ship them.

Tom4784 31-07-2016 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 8872041)
Got through it quite quickly.

I would definitely welcome an film/tv adaptation. It has the potential to work really well on film. I agree with Dezzy that the plot was convenient. It felt a little too fan fiction in some places.

I love Albus and Scorpius so much. I ship them.

Apparently

Spoiler:

The Delphi thing fits in with books since she was supposedly conceived during HBP which makes sense given that Bellatrix doesn't appear much in that book but it still could have been written better I think.

I did for a second think that they might turn Albus and Scorpius' relationship romantic at one point, especially as there wasn't really a main female character when it came to the younger characters

Macie Lightfoot 31-07-2016 06:32 PM

Spoiler:

the thing that doesn't make sense is that Voldemort being human enough to **** Bellatrix kinda contradicts everything we've been told about Voldemort in the seven books. like, the guy doesn't even qualify as a real human being yet he still has a working penis and sperm cells and made love to Bellatrix. WHAT?!?!?!


I think I can keep this part out of spoiler tags but my favorite minor character was without a doubt the Trolley Witch who randomly became a video game boss kind of obstacle with her spikey hands :love: so unbelievably absurd.

Tom4784 31-07-2016 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot (Post 8872193)
Spoiler:

the thing that doesn't make sense is that Voldemort being human enough to **** Bellatrix kinda contradicts everything we've been told about Voldemort in the seven books. like, the guy doesn't even qualify as a real human being yet he still has a working penis and sperm cells and made love to Bellatrix. WHAT?!?!?!


I think I can keep this part out of spoiler tags but my favorite minor character was without a doubt the Trolley Witch who randomly became a video game boss kind of obstacle with her spikey hands :love: so unbelievably absurd.

Spoiler:

I don't think it's that much of a contradiction tbh, it's just not a well developed plot point. I'm more concerned with the why than the how. Despite how monstrous he became he was still a man and I could see him looking at Bellatrix as nothing more than a plaything.

As for the why, I reckon he had a kid as a backup plan, he probably thought that if he lost his body again he could possess Delphi instead of jumpin through the hoops of getting his old body back.


Freddy Kruegar Trolley Witch <3

Macie Lightfoot 31-07-2016 07:15 PM

Spoiler:

For me, I can't wrap my mind around it because all the Dark Magic and soul-splitting and horcrux-creating supposedly left Voldemort's body in such a damaged state that he wasn't human enough to die, but he's somehow human enough to conceive a child with Bellatrix, another person who is literally insane and also damaged by Dark Magic. Not to mention the stuff about Voldemort not wanting or needing human companionship and not wanting to depend on anyone else and not being interested in anything over than his own power.

And like... I just generally have a hard time believing that of all the things Voldemort could have and should have been concerned with with the build up to the Battle of Hogwarts, he decided to conceive a child with Bellatrix. Why was Bellatrix never showing during the Malfoy Manor scenes in Deathly Hallows? Who was taking care of Delphi during the Battle of Hogwarts and everything else? None of it makes sense to me.


But even with all my complaints, I still really enjoyed it in all of its absurdity. I'm still cackling at the Trolley Witch throwing Pumpkin Pasty grenades with her hands-turned-spikes in futile attempts to keep kids on the Hogwarts Express :joker: :love:

Pete. 31-07-2016 07:48 PM

Finished and loved it :love:

Pete. 31-07-2016 07:53 PM

Spoiler:

Tbf I don't think they are going to explore Voldermorts sexual organs in too much detail for a franchise that has a sizeable child audience. But I get what you're saying Maci's.

I thought Voldermort's child was going to be a natural continuation of this story from the moment the Cursed Child, it's a shame that Delphi's character won't be explored in that much detail. I'm hoping that JK writes a short story about her life/origins. I care more about that then the Marauders' Hogwarts life story at this point

Tom4784 31-07-2016 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete. (Post 8872388)
Spoiler:

Tbf I don't think they are going to explore Voldermorts sexual organs in too much detail for a franchise that has a sizeable child audience. But I get what you're saying Maci's.

I thought Voldermort's child was going to be a natural continuation of this story from the moment the Cursed Child, it's a shame that Delphi's character won't be explored in that much detail. I'm hoping that JK writes a short story about her life/origins. I care more about that then the Marauders' Hogwarts life story at this point

Spoiler:

I imagine they'll explore her in more detail when they adapt it to the screen.

Pete. 31-07-2016 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 8872409)
Spoiler:

I imagine they'll explore her in more detail when they adapt it to the screen.

Spoiler:

:fc:

They will miss a trick if they don't explore her childhood as stuff

Tom4784 31-07-2016 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete. (Post 8872439)
Spoiler:

:fc:

They will miss a trick if they don't explore her childhood as stuff

Spoiler:

They'll have more time to play with when they adapt it so I'm certain they'll flesh out that plotline and make it so that it makes more sense.

I hope more of the old characters are mentioned in the adaptation and that we see more of Hogwarts.

Glenn. 31-07-2016 09:05 PM

Spoiler:

I assumed the conception of the 'love child' would have been magical because of how little there was of his humanity. That's all I can think of that makes sense because the thought of Bellatrix and Voldemort bumping uglies is horrifying :worry:

Macie Lightfoot 31-07-2016 10:42 PM

I found this online and chuckled.

Spoiler:

Draco: "oh look, I had a time turner the whole time and it's an even better version. How convenient!"

Ron: "hoho, I'm the comic relief, so I talk like I'm literally half retarded"

Scorpius: "I know the exact reactions of potion ingredients in my fourth ****ing year"

Hermione: "better not lock the door so that two students can't just get in with a simple spell, wouldn't want my office to be secure"

Harry: "divination from centaurs are so accurate, I'll just go nuts and continue to behave like vernon dursley."

Albus: "better tell everyone in the new timeline that they have the wrong job or wife, even after it's completely clear, that everything changed. Also, I better sound like a 4 year old when he learns santa isn't real

Marsh. 31-07-2016 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riley. (Post 8870623)
Here for it :clap1: I'd love to go see the play but I'm broke and the fact that it's two parts doesn't help. I wish they'd record it and sell it on DVD

I'm so hoping they do this.

They've done it with stage musicals and sh*t in the past so they should do.

They'll probably wait until they've milked the stage show itself for as long as possible for a couple of years.

Pete. 31-07-2016 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot (Post 8873443)
I found this online and chuckled.

Spoiler:

Draco: "oh look, I had a time turner the whole time and it's an even better version. How convenient!"

Ron: "hoho, I'm the comic relief, so I talk like I'm literally half retarded"

Scorpius: "I know the exact reactions of potion ingredients in my fourth ****ing year"

Hermione: "better not lock the door so that two students can't just get in with a simple spell, wouldn't want my office to be secure"

Harry: "divination from centaurs are so accurate, I'll just go nuts and continue to behave like vernon dursley."

Albus: "better tell everyone in the new timeline that they have the wrong job or wife, even after it's completely clear, that everything changed. Also, I better sound like a 4 year old when he learns santa isn't real

Mess ^

I guess a lot of that had to be done for the plot and story. I'm sure if JK had full control/passion into this it wouldn't be as messy

Marsh. 31-07-2016 10:48 PM

Is it worth waiting for the definitive edition?

How different will it be considering this is the rehearsal edition?

Pete. 31-07-2016 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 8873467)
Is it worth waiting for the definitive edition?

How different will it be considering this is the rehearsal edition?

I doubt the story will change dramatically. I'm not sure what changes were made though :think:

Tom4784 31-07-2016 11:14 PM

I reckon there'll be some changes, I think the dialogue will be tidied up a bit and I can see them adding one or two scenes to clarify some of the plot points.

Don't think we'll be getting a recording of the play any time soon though.

Nick. 02-08-2016 02:46 AM

Finished it in one sitting, not entirely sure what I just read but I think I enjoyed it (Even if it felt like something from archive of our own)

I ship the fuck out of Albus & Scorpio (Scorbus?).

Rob! 05-08-2016 03:59 AM

Bought it and finished it within the space of a few hours.


Omfg Albus and Scorpius is going to reignite potter slash like never before. They are incredible together. Scorpius is an amazing character.

Spoiler:

I mean I just want more. JK says Harry's story is done now. Unacceptable.

Tbh I can totally see Voldermort and Bellatrix shagging or whatever they did. It would be dark, ****ed up and beyond comprehension whatever happened. Hell, Voldermort probably raped her and she'd have loved it and pretended she didn't to please him. Actually I can see Voldermort never knowing he had a child - I genuinely don't think it would interest him whatsoever, in fact he'd probably see it as a burden. I seriously think Bellatrix would have just kept it from him and if he did know, he'd never mention it, forever embroiled too far into his self interests to give it too much consideration. A child would weaken him, especially after what he perceived happened to him when he tried to kill Harry as a baby. A parent giving a child love - it's just completely against everything he ever stood for. Tbh Delphi would probably have been killed on sight. Pity that aspect of it all wasn't explored further.
The ****ing Trolly Lady, I SCREAMED :joker: :joker: :joker:

It was great to see the likes of Snape and Dumbledore and Minerva again. I think my main complaint throughout the whole thing is did it REALLY need to be a play? Really? Imagine it as a book. She could have gone to town with it - the plot is brilliant enough to be a book. Hell. It's good enough to be more than one. But I'm glad I read it. The nostalgia hits I got through it were just amazing.

Rob! 05-08-2016 04:12 AM

Spoiler:

Also. I ****ing adore Harry and Albus' relationship. I've always thought one of the things that makes Harry such an amazing and loveable character throughout all the books is how muggle like he is at times - it's what makes him so identifiable. And for him essentially not to get on with his son and for their relationship to be so strained is just so so normal, regardless of why.

MTVN 07-08-2016 11:51 AM

Just finished it, entertaining read though a bit silly at times. I think a good job was done with all the characters especially Albus and Scorpius, only bad one was Ron who they sorta ruined by making him completely irrelevant and solely intended for comic relief.

Spoiler:

The plot was clever at times but also a bit dumb. Time travel plots are always quite messy and hard to execute so they did a fairly good job of it but it was a bit off that the only thing that changed after their first visit was Hermione and Rons lives and Albus being in Gryffindor (which apparently had no impact on anything)


I guess its as close to a new Harry Potter as we're ever gonna get but I can't see it ever being remembered as 'the eighth story' or the final instalment, more as a bit of a gimmick whose popularity was quite short lived

VanessaFeltz. 07-08-2016 11:59 AM

i remember when some writer wrote a story about harrys children and jk supported that and it had such popularity and right now nobody remembers that and this thing has the same fate.

I feel like Harry Potter was such a great book and it had a great affect on millions of people, it %100 made my childhood and for me it ended in 07.

But i hope you all enjoy it :)

Braden 06-02-2017 06:15 PM

After waiting more than a year, I went to watch the performance at the weekend.

It was a great. A really nice sequel that was enjoyable for a Harry Potter fan myself. The location was great and the theatre was lovely, I had balcony seats but was sat in the centre and could see perfectly well. Definitely worth the £15 for each part.

The story itself was portrayed with a lot of warmth. I loved Albus and Scorpius as characters, and as a Slytherin I was happy they represented two Slythern characters as genuinely good people :laugh: idk if it comes across like this in the book, but Harry was quite unlikable throughout. A lot of the time the character would just shriek and shout; I thought there was still a sense of Harry to the character though, just not as likable or a person I rooted for like I did in the films (though this wasn't really the point anyway. Ron was fantastic, such an accurate portrayal of the character, much more than Rupert Grint playing Ron - who I find quite overrated, and after reading the books and watching the films I realised was the wrong person to play the character. Hermione was fine, her daughter was quite annoying though, ngl.

I went into the show already knowing

Spoiler:

That Delphi was the daughter of Bellatrix and Voldemort, was gutted when I came across it since I had done so well to avoid spoilers and that was the main one :p


I feel like I would've loved it even more had I not known, but the context of which she appeared. i.e:

Spoiler:


Contextualising Cedric and his father around the character's relevance was quite clever, and I liked the use of the time-changer. It's a simplistic plot device that made use of many characters in the Harry Potter world we wouldn't have seen otherwise


Yeah, the play was definitely was worth watching. Not of the same calibre of other books, like MTVN said the show is more of a gimmick than a genuine instalment, but heart-warming nonetheless.


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