Once Again Girls GCSE above Boys.......
 

Reported on all News today
and debated Live on Ch5HD AM
who stated that Girls may get higher Education
but the next busy years
The lads over take them,
and get on the Ladder of Work.

Bank Managers - mostly men
for example.


Its been like this for many years

True facts: there are more highly / genius level intelligence males (like me and you Arista) but also more males with very low intelligence (like Kirk, LT etc), whereas females tend to cluster around average or just-above-average intelligence (like Livia, Ammi, Kizzy, Niamh etc).

This means that in standardised tests such as GCSE's, pass (requiring average intelligence) results skew towards females.

...just trying to charm and secure that place in Arista's bunker that Livia, Kizzy, Niamh and I have already got, eh honey...where's your level of high intelligence now, baby....come the apocalypse, the only zombies we'll be fighting will be on the X-Box and in full HD....

I know what you had to do to secure that place :umm2:. And I tried that too but he just wasn't interested! Sweet-talking is my only option...

"Baby" though :smug:. Don't tease, it's too early in the morning.

girls mature earlier than boys and so tend to put more effort in to their early education than boys. Simple really.

That's closer to the real truth; boys are more easily distracted at an early age and don't properly hit their learning "stride" until the late teens or even early 20's. Also the education methods are geared towards girls (male and female brains learn differently) simply because they are more attentive and "easier to teach" in general. Clever girls tend to do well, many clever boys do too of course, but what you will also find (if you look a little closer) is a lot of very intelligent boys completely "slipping through the net" and failing to achieve any sort of real education at all... which tends not to happen with girls anywhere near as often.

What I said above is true also though, though not in the extremes I might have made out. There's a more scattered range of intelligence with boys than with girls. You will of course get very intelligent and seriously challenged pupils of both genders, but across a wider population, there are more "above average" intelligence males than females and at the same time more "straight up thick sorry" males than females... with females instead tending to be clustered around the "slightly-above-average" range across the board.

#LadCulture

There is an element of that too. A lot of perfectly capable guys deliberately underachieving to "fit in" :umm2:

This is definitely down to a class thing imo, I grew up in a not so "good" area and if you were good at school you were a swat or a nerd etc where as I live in a pretty "good" area now and the attitude is miles a part, the kids are almost competing with eachother to see who can do best and you'd be more likely to be made fun of for being thick. Completely different attitudes and values. I can definitely see how it happens that kids in poorer areas under achieve compared to kids in more affluent areas

There are such a tiny amount of male teachers at a young age that's the problen

Over simplified . The gap keeps widening because s9 few male teachers

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Teaching in general needs to be pushed more as a career imo A big problem is that wages are so bad for teachers and especially in secondary schools anyone who's really intelligent and would make an excellent teacher have no motivation to get into teaching which is a sad state of affairs when it's such an important job really. My brother for example is fantastic at Maths and he always wanted to be a teacher but in the school he went to because he was getting such high marks they really pressured him to study something "better" than teaching and this is what you're dealing with. He ended up qualifying as an engineer, hating it and going back to become a Maths teacher anyway

the sex of the teacher is irrelevant to which sex excels in early education, pure baloney.

Yeah it was the latter at mine, quite elitist and people in the bottom sets had a rough time with people taking the piss. My wife's school on the other hand it was the "sporty" kids who were popular (which just makes me think of US high school dramas, though an American friend has told me the "jocks and nerds" stereotype isn't actually the reality at most schools :joker: )

Very True

Yes thats wrong

haha WHAT

No he's actually partly right there on this occasion, primary schools are desperate to recruit male teachers... But very few men become primary school teachers.

My daughter's school has just two male teachers out of about 15, a lot of schools have none at all.

One of them does look like a slightly chubby John Snow though, so that's a bonus.

My son is in his final year of primary and has never had a male teacher, my daughter never did either.

To be fair I don't think it's a new thing, my primary school only had one male teacher (a p6/7 teacher) and I never had him, I think he left when I was in p4. Had plenty of male teachers at high school and remember finding it weird at first.

girls are always swots at school thats why i pulled their hair

nasty swotty little teachers pets


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I think girls are just more likely to be academically minded.

What's the solution though, you can't force people to study for careers they don't want to do especially when the pay is so s**t as well

I have to say though I'm really happy with how my son was taught all the way through primary, I don't think him being taught by a female teacher was any disadvantage for him :shrug:

I had one male teacher in Primary School, he was a PE teacher mainly and he was awfully stereotypical. Put me off PE for years until Secondary School when I had some good PE teachers that made it tolerable.

I don't think the gender of the teachers matters in all honesty though.

The thinking seems to be that a variety is preferable for both boys and girls... But who knows as there are so few male teachers to test the theory :shrug:.

Something needs to be done to make teaching in general more attractive as a career to be fair. My wife's cousin spent years getting his qualification... Lasted 2 years as a high school teacher and was so miserable with it that he just walked out. He's now an emergency dispatcher and finds it much LESS stressful... Which surely shouldn't be the case!

In his words, he loved actual teaching as much as he always thought he would... but the rest of it was a nightmare. All targets, pressure and paperwork and not really an attractive salary either.

..a little while ago, there was a small discussion at a cluster meeting..(so it's only a comparatively small experience of schools, I know....)...and generalising obviously...of how in our school and other local ones and with after school activities, girls tend to expand out more...it's quite an even boy/girl thing with activities chosen in things like football/rugby, which would be deemed more male...?..but a high percentage of girls show interest as well...but with what would be deemed more female things like any cooking related thing/crochet/knitting etc or sports like netball, dance..?.../there are very few boys who do these things....so not expanding so much..and maybe that's partly a peer pressure thing...anyways, I don't know how relative but just interesting and something that's been discussed....

...interesting as well that we're told that girls tend to be the higher achievers, academically...and yet we're also told that they're the lower earners/disadvantaged there, in the work place...so despite being lower achievers, then...boys still excel more in the work place..?..or are recognised more..?...


..I think that in general, people aren't choosing the teaching profession so much because it's just not so much about teaching and time in the classroom, which is why it's always been chosen as a vocation but there are probably more male primary school teachers now as there has ever been....males though, don't tend to choose primary school teaching because it hasn't got the potential of career, that schools for older children have...it's also a completely different structure because it doesn't (mostly) have subject teachers, but just class teachers....and males tend to prefer to teach in their own specialist subject, rather than more 'bite sizes' of every subject...

Every single factor is against boys

the number of male teachers at junior and primary ages has fallen consistently for 3 decades.
3 years ago a survey was done showing 80,000 more women than men applied for uni, law appplications were 70% women 30% men
approx 50% of boys grow up fatherless and no male teachers at all....where are their male rold models? these boys havent got a hope in hell and these useless spineless politicians have created this situation
anyone who questions it is shouted down as sexist and we get the meaningless line the patriarchy doesnt work ...just look at the state of men in this country ? seriously there are tens of millions of workless broken young men doped upto their eyeballs on drugs, male suicides are the highest theyve ever been and the spiral downwards just goes on and on

In 2013 Of the 558,898 candidates who applied to university by the January deadline this year, 319,752, or 57.2 per cent, were women. Some 239,146, or 42.8 per cent, were men.

87% of primary teachers in the uk are female, this figure is 80% across the developed world


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...ged-group.html

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.PRM.TCHR.FE.ZS

One in four primary schools in England still has no male registered teacher, which has led to questions about positive male role models.

The General Teaching Council for England statistics show that as of March 31 this year only 26,208 men were working as primary school teachers, compared to 185,023 women...only 8% of primary teachers in scotland are men

No doubt the endless threat of being labelled a pervert hangs over every man...as once any accusation is made their lives and reputation are instantly destroyed forever regardless of innocence...in the uk now a man accused of anything is never innocent till proven guilty, he is instantly guilty by gossip regardless of the facts or the truth

Women get infinitely more support than men in every section fo society, whether its the nhs spending, charity, refuges, support workers, social care, benefit system, schools, motherhood, education. the list goes on and on

Vast swathes of the uk industrial areas were destroyed by thatcher and nothing has been done to regenarate those areas and find work for these young men. that allied to the bias within the system towards women has especially mothers over fathers in the law courts has lead to this pitiful sorry state of affairs. the entire culture is out of balance. the gender war was based mostly on completely phoney assumptions too. The real war should be with the elite 1% and the corporate takeover of planet earth. not between men and women and girls and boys.

im delighted to see girls and women do well , my beef is simply that the system now disadvantages boys and men to an absurd degree and the double standards are simply staggering

I also feel the endless feminist politics has taken the spotlight and funding away from far more disadvantaged groups , the sick, the disabled, the elderly , the diseased etc etc and created a frnakly insane politically correct environment obsessed with serving radical feminism at the expense of others

We had no male teachers at primary school. We had none in secondary school, though we had a male headteacher. In senior school there were more male than female teachers. I think my school was odd as I always hear of the lack of male teachers but there was an endless supply to our school...there were like 5 female teachers and about 20 male. Male headteacher too

Bunker, what bunker?!

As the mother of a son and someone who has worked in education and children's literature, I believe that part of the problem is that boys are not encouraged to read enough which is an activity girls seem to enjoy. Reading broadens horizon and widens vocabulary. Good reading skills open the doors to all other educational subjects. I know people say that gender is something created more by nurture and society than nature but whether it's nature or nurture on the whole little boys in my experience are more active than little girls. Little boys are doers and want to run, jump, tumble and get their hands dirty and generally can't sit still more than little girls who seem more able to sit still and more inclined to sedate sort of play. In a nursery you are more likely to see a girl interested in games and puzzles where the boys all want to be outside on the slides and trikes. That doesn't mean there aren't exceptions or that girls don't like outside play but generally little boys are more hectic than little girls.

I found through asking questions that very few primary age father's read to their sons or listened to them read. The male role model in many families does seem to leave this job to the woman in the family. Primary school is predominantly a female environment. Boys do need some male role models to encourage them with reading.

My own sons' father would rather play computer games with him than listen to him read. Computer games can play a part in education. But the male in the family needs to step up more and read with his children, boys and girls alike. My son was a good reader and spelled well but was reluctant and I worked hard to get him interested. Finding the right books was important and also found audio books while he was going to sleep were very valuable in encouraging his interest. I remember my son enjoying the audio book for the first book in the His Dark Materials series so much that he read the rest of the series rather than waiting for the next audio to come out because he wanted to know what happened next.

I do think that a big thing that has changed in society is that boys have less male role models when it comes to learning and non sport related activities. There are a lot more single parent families these days than in the past which means some boys have a father they rarely see at all if ever.

What I'd like to see is an initiative where people like male sporting stars and Olympians go into schools and read to and with children. I think something like that would give a tremendous boost to boys in education.

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great post I agree with every word, bravo:wavey:
ps if Id written it some posters would have called me sexist because a man isnt allowed to say these things in this PC basket case of a culture

I think that there is a real difficulty for boys on education and in reading and it desperately needs to be addressed. And I think fathers have to look at what they silently say to their son in households where dad never picks up a book either to and for himself or for his sons.

Boys often idolise dad and that influence could be used to encourage in education.

Yes Arista, me and Ammi are going to come and live in it when the first bomb falls. It'll be just like "10 Cloverfield Lane".