Scotland : Female teacher Devout Christian Isabelle Graham,28, sacked
 

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[French teacher ‘pictured in Travelodge hotel
bed after having sex with a pupil on
prom night' is BANNED from the classroom
Devout Christian Isabelle Graham,28,
struck off for 'relations' with a pupil
Married teacher was seen
with a 17-year-old at Travelodge room at prom
She claimed drink was spiked and
she had 'no memory' of what happened
General Teaching Council for Scotland
has now banned her from teaching]


As If


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Devout Christian and adulteress are not what one expects to see in same sentence.
Sleeping with a pupil won't go down too well in church either I would think.:shrug:

I actually don't get whats so horrific about sleeping with a 17 year old?

I know thats not the issue here though :laugh:

I suppose what I mean is I don't get this 'teacher is authority' therfor even after school a relationship would go against you. Not sure I am putting this right but lets try this way...my husband a couple of years back went to college on a course. His teacher was like 35. There was a woman there who was actually 21 and ended up getting on really well with the teacher. But the teacher reckoned he could be sacked if he got with her? Despite her being way above legal age and stuff. They are actually together now but it has been like 3 years since he taught her

Because its HER pupil
thats Illegal

I'm glad she got banned from teaching, it's not about his age, it's about her taking advantage of her position and having it off with a student, teachers are not allowed to get involved with their students, no matter how old they are.

It's just nonsense

The argument is usually 'they're in a position of power', yeah and the supposed ~victim~ is of age and is more than capable in the eyes of the law of consenting. In fact, what's to say the 'power' aspect isn't a turn on for the person in question? :joker:

It's like you can't have your cake and eat it. Either you're able to make decisions about your body and what you do with it aged 16 or you're not, it's the business of no one else what happens outside the confines of a sixth form, college or uni to be honest

an idiot like this does not deserve to teach, silly stupid cow

Well yes, does this extend to the likes of doctors of policemen? Like, if a policeman round here got with someone here, surely that is an abuse of power. Same for GPs, and other professions.

However, she is as far from a 'devout cristian' she could be, unless she whisked the pupil off to gretna green to get married first :hehe:

Police people aren't allowed to get involved with anyone they're working with, if they're working with a victim, or close to a family, they're not allowed to get with them, while they're working with them, the same as GP's.

Wow I didn't know this at all. Its nearly always teachers you hear about.

It usually does as far as I'm aware

I still feel the same in those cases though, because the thing for me is this...it can't be 'abuse of power' if the person consents? If the person doesn't want to go through with it and they still do, then it's assault/rape in the way it usually would be. But if you consent and are willing, what exactly is the issue?

We live in this bizarre world where we are defined by our job title and our occupation becomes our life and once you leave work your private life doesn't become mutually exclusive :conf: well no sorry but it does

Yeah, it's for all jobs where you're seen as an 'authority figure' or you're in a profession where you're meant to be caring for people, I'll use Emmerdale as an example, a doctor got struck off because he had an affair with a patient, even though she was 17, if you're in a position of power and trust, you're meant to be the bigger person and look elsewhere, away from the people you're meant to be looking after, hence why it's not illegal, but it is severely frowned upon

there is no such thing as a devout christian, just another deluded hypocrite hiding allsorts behind a bible

Scotland rules

..it isn't just about being consent age though..teachers are loco parentis/acting as a parent to schoolchildren in their care and in a position of trust...a school child can't consent and it be ok because it still would be like sexual harassment by the teacher as the student can't ever be equal to her in a school environment of her being authoritative over him...it's an abuse of trust/not just a consent age thing...

At 17 he/she is over the age of consent but a teacher does have a 'duty of care' which means they shouldn't go there with a student. If teachers were able to bang on with over 16's in their classes willy nilly it would be even harder for teachers to get any respect in the classroom, not to mention there might be sexual harrassment from other youths not invited to the bedroom, there would be bragging, it would get out. Nah not a good idea from many perspectives.

With teachers, they potentially have the power to pass or fail a student and thereby control their behaviour. Therefore it is an environment open to abuse. The rules are there to protect people and she knew those rules all to well.

Those in the medical profession have the power to cure/not cure illness. They are also dealing with vulnerable people hence why relations there are also a no no

"it's an abuse of trust/not just a consent age thing... "


Well Said
Teacher Ammi.

Sorry made me laugh but yeah agree of course

I find it a difficult question to answer to be honest, because the premise seems to rest on an idea that there are no power hierarchies to navigate once school is finished which is, of course, simply not the case. The age of consent - surely - is the age at which we say that people should be able to understand and navigate these relationships and not allow themselves to be exploited. That is the entire point of the age of consent. Is a 16 year old any more likely to be exploited by a teacher than an 18 year old school leaver is likely to be exploited by an employer? Is a 16 year old any more likely to trade "sex for grades" than an 18 year old school leaver is likely to trade sex for a promotion? etc... and if the difference is that it's 16-vs-18, then surely what we are saying is that 16 is NOT a suitable age of consent?

Hmm. Again, though, I think fairly easily solved by a staggered consent age. If 16-18's are not allowed to have sex with anyone over the age of say 21... then teachers are automatically taken out of the legality equation entirely. On an instinctual level, I do think it's fine for teenagers to be experimenting sexually with each other but engaging in a sexual relationship with an adult (not just a teacher - ANY adult) doesn't seem quite right. I'd question the motivations of any adult who is sexually pursues a 16/17 year old. They may sometimes be physically mature, even attractive, but any right-minded adult surely knows that beneath the superficial they are essentially still dealing with a child?

As a final side note... the idea that an adult student shouldn't be able to have a relationship with an adult teacher is plainly ridiculous. Again it is absolutely no different to an employer/employee situation. Colleges and Universities should simply have information about reporting harassment / exploitation available (as any workplace does) and leave people to form relationships with who they want.

Her drink was spiked and she was unconscious was what I read?

Yes this was the issue when my husband was at college. Scared of being sacked for a relationship with a 21 year old :umm2: There should be no threats on his job for getting with a definite adult (meaning, not teen at all) woman.

Teachers are employed to teach. And yes, she is not sex education teacher so her actions are deplorable. Even sex education teachers know it's out of bounds. So she got her just desserts.

The fact that she purports to be a 'Devout Christian' is no more relevant here than it would have been had she been a 'devout Muslim' or an 'Atheist'.

Would an headline have been worded:


'Atheist teacher shags schoolboy pupil'? I think not.

Weeeeeeeell that's not exactly true, us atheists are already known to be deviants and scoundrels, we're not pretending to be anything else.

Deadly sin lust....Miss 'Christian' :idc:

Never appropriate for teachers in my opinion. Even if it's morally acceptable, it's not ethical. She put herself in a compromising situation though without hard details it's difficult to judge. Maybe there was other company that made it OK for her to drink so much around the kids. I mean she did admit to four glasses.

It sounds like she had a lot to lose (status-wise) so I have to wonder why in the world anyone would put themselves in that situation with such a reputation to protect. They're a lot harder on females here I noticed on the local news. We've had several in the past year and a few trials going. So yeah, that can't be fun dealing with the media. Men it's just an accepted fact they wants to bag themselves some young females... here's a mug shot... never covered again...

I had a friend who I was best friends with in middle school who slept with a teacher from her high school (I think just after graduation) and he was from Russia which I think he said made it more acceptable. He would hit on her while she was in school and it was very mutual. She would very likely proudly admit she is possibly a clinical nymphomaniac... I'm surprised she didn't get into more trouble than she did because she definitely liked older men and they were the primary target for her affection. Not really sure if there was a history that caused her to be like that, but 50% of her conversations are about penis so... that was over 15 years ago and she hasn't changed, but in her case I would've never doubted that it was consensual... though she would brag her dad would be arrested for murdering the men if he ever found out they did anything untoward with her. They were a devout Catholic family as well. If only he knew.

:joker: who knew there was so much to say?

..I recall back in the day at school, a 16yr old student became pregnant and the father was one of the teachers...a 27/28yr old if I recall correctly...he carried on teaching and teaching at the school...but it was actually quite hard to feel the same sense of 'safety' there..from a pupil's perspective..?...and I know that many/most young people felt the same as well because obviously, it was all the subject of huge discussions etc...I can't imagine in that scenario now, it ever being that he would have still carried on teaching at the school.../that's why policies are in place now, which wouldn't have been then..and indeed in the workplace as well....some very dodgy bosses and superiors and huge abuses of positions....

Yeah and she holds onto conversations longer than I do. That's saying a lot :laugh:

It was in the same when I was in school. At least among the girls, we were frigid towards any authority figures we thought might be big time perverts... it's something we would warn each other about, if we felt something was off. Some are genuinely predators that pick and choose based on who they can manipulate. There was a local police officer (legit police, on campus) in my HS who would let cheerleaders hang out with him in the office and skip class... after he was arrested, they said some things that sounded like he was trying to buy them off. Gifts and other weird things like that. They caught him for child pornography on a PC in his office... same girls posted on FB about how weird he was, didn't see it coming, etc...though I thought that was dumb because it was fairly obvious how inappropriate it was and that he was more than willing to cross certain lines (especially with where his eye contact went). My school had 3,000 students and I have no idea how but it went on for years unnoticed but from what I heard, reported.

I think at least in our culture, it creates too many complications for student's lives who are still not even finished with high school. Like an 18 year old dating a student may technically be legal, but it's not appropriate. There's just too many insecurities and distractions going on with school... it wouldn't be a healthy and unequal relationship anyway. College is more of a grey area. If you're not taking a course by the professor, then I guess it is OK... I would think it's more consensual at that point, especially if they are close in age. Though I think most places don't allow it in their books... a lot of workplaces have rules like that, but they're not always strictly enforced...

..yeah, there just wasn't really the safe-guarding procedures back in the day other than 'don't talk to/take anything from strangers, which our parents would tell us as well and you can't really safe-guard and teach about stranger danger etc and predators, if you could be perceived as one yourself or if your own actions are questionable in ethics etc...it's all about trust with parents and other students as well../they must feel secure in their environment is always the first thing and most important thing before education can even be possible...students must have an equal opportunity to take part in everything and a student who would be reluctant to go away on a residential visit/or prom thing because their feeling of safety with a teacher has been broken, takes away an opportunity to participate for them as well.../just so many reasons, really...


..and with college..?...yeah, I also know of someone who had a relationship with a lecturer at uni...(I'm not actually sure what the age difference..)...but I know that he wasn't her lecturer in any of her studies and they're actually still together now so far as I'm aware.../it must be around 7/8-ish years, I would think....

No she was fully awake
Giving Sex to that School
Kid

As much as I adore your syntax Arista... on this occasion I just can't figure out why "Kid" gets its' own whole line. :joker:

Arista has a non hd screen with a max width of 26 characters ... whats not to understand :fist:

:omgno: How dare you

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Arista's phone is a Nokia

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