The Calais "child" migrants?
 

What do yiou make of these rather old "children" arriving in Britain?

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A great bunch of lads

http://www.humorlinks.com/humornet/f...mages/ted4.jpg

Some of the people in the photo's do look older than children for sure but I think it's very difficult to age people from photo's LT. Maybe living rough the way they have been ages you. Also as was stated in a news report yesterday, some of those pictured were interpreters who were travelling with the teenagers to help with communication.

Whoever was on the gate needs sacking.You wouldn't trust em to work in an off licence never mind the borders to the country.First bit of training should be spotting a fake id.:laugh:

I am soooo delighted to see these children, because by the same process which the authorities have used to calculate these kids ages, I am shortly coming up to my 23rd fecking birthday!!!!

YIPPEE!! :dance::dance::dance::cheer2::cheer2::laugh:

No that claim was false and has been discredited

They have even admitted that they all lie about their age in order to get into countries!

These are all veritable little babies LT and not a Dummy in sight.

Except those who let them in. :laugh:

Welcome x

If I was desperate to get out of a country where my life was in danger I would absolutely preach to the heavens that I was a 16 year old spring chicken. :shrug:

But surely when they are in France they are already 'out of the country where their life was in danger'?

and would you keep doing it till you got to the country you want to get to as you have heard its the best one?

Is this a news item, where's the source?

So they had good conditions and quality of life at the "jungle camp"?

This is a good point Jenny and it's something I don't understand about the jungle. Surely France has a duty of care to the people there rather than letting a camp build up like it has. Particularly to any children.

Isn't that really France's responsibility though?

they all look dodgy

Yeah I think the French are more or less saying they want to get to Britain so it's your responsibility :unsure:


I have no issue if these "children" have families in the UK, we were told it was a race against time to find the children before the camp was closed which is a lie as no one over 18 is classed as a child and where are the females?

well they did have France in general to seek refuge, maybe they did not like the food?

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Do you have anything that shows it was discredited? And is there a link to the article that these pictures are from and where they admit "they all lie about their age"?

They saw an episode of Benefits Britain and thought ooh that looks nice we'll have some o that.

Seriously though a couple of them feckers look 45 years old.The Border control staff shoulda gone to Specsavers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ie-age-UK.html

its on every news source for the last 2 days I am amazed you have not heard of this?

I've seen quite a few stories like this online recently. They all have the latest mobile phones. I wish i had a phone like that. :bawling:

Q: Where are all the girls?

yes I saw a pic today and one had an iphone 6!

Its been on every Channel News
and Radio.


Be on QT tonight

No I'd not really heard much about it... it still has the claim in the BBC article about it too. A lot of them are obviously very young though so I don't know, I guess the point is that some people will lie in desperate circumstances. Painting it as though it's all of them isn't helpful. They won't have taken a random selection for those pictures in the OP. A lot of people will look at them though and assume they're representative of all 'child' migrants. That makes me uneasier than the migrants themselves tbh,

And when these men are put into schools and have sex with young girls then what will the Home Office do? I am a proud Conservative, but Amber Rudd is not up to the job.

terrorists lie too to get into countries

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/10...gee-conundrum/

Interesting article about this

"Just as I did when I visited the illegal shanty-town a couple of weeks ago and met a man from Afghanistan who said he was a boy.He said his name was Imran Sheerzad and I got talking to him because he was, as far as I could tell, the only one in there who spoke intelligible English. He said he was 16 but looked 25. He had been in the Jungle for four months where he had arrived via Turkey and the Balkans after a four-month journey. His family in Nangarhar Province on the Pakistan border had given him 8,000 euros to pay for his pilgrimage.

So I asked him if he was married and he said ‘yes’ and how old his wife was and he said ’18’ and if they had a child to which he said ‘yes’ who is, he told me, a one-year-old boy. And did he have a passport that he could show me? No, he had no passport, no documents at all. So he said.

Obviously, he was not a child but was he at least a refugee? ‘I am not really refugee, no,’ he conceded. Afghanis do not have automatic refugee status. ‘But I need help,’ he added. Why was he – why was everyone in the Jungle – so dead keen on Britain? What was wrong with France? ‘The facilities,’ he explained. He was unable or unwilling to elaborate.

Yet in the year to September 2015, two-thirds of child asylum seekers in Britain whose age was disputed by officials – according to latest Home Office figures – were found to be adults."

...an interesting article 'why do the "migrants" in Calais want to come to the UK?'....


https://www.freemovement.org.uk/why-...ome-to-the-uk/

Agents were found to play a key role in the final destination:

"Some agents simply facilitated travel to a destination chosen by the asylum seeker. Other agents directed asylum seekers to particular countries without giving them any choice. Yet other agents offered asylum seekers a priced ‘menu’ of destinations from which the asylum seeker could then choose".

For those that did have an element of choice about their destination, there were a range of factors*that influenced that choice:

"These were: whether they had relatives or friends here; their belief that the UK is a safe, tolerant and democratic country; previous links between their own country and the UK including colonialism; and their ability to speak English or desire to learn it.
There was very little evidence that the sample respondents had a detailed knowledge of: UK immigration or asylum procedures; entitlements to benefits in the UK; or the availability of work in the UK. There was even less evidence that the respondents had a comparative knowledge of how these phenomena varied between different European countries. Most of the respondents wished to work and support themselves during the determination of their asylum claim rather than be dependent on the state."




Attitudes towards work for those questioned seemed to be complex. Back in 2002 the media and Home Office were obsessed with the idea that bogus asylum seekers wanted to claim benefits. These days, after our collective experience of EU migration, most of us now surely recognise that the desire to work is likely to be a more significant*motivation for migration.
The research*found that most of those questioned believed they would be*allowed to work, wanted to work and thought they would have to work:

"Many of the respondents had worked in the country of origin (and acquired skills and had careers there), and wanted to do so again when they arrived in the country where they claimed asylum. Finding a job was important because it enabled people to rebuild their lives after what had often been traumatic and disruptive experiences. It helped refugees to regain their self-respect and confidence, and to focus upon the future…"


This being the real world, there is no easy answer to the question “why?” Work, friends, family, language, historical links to the UK and, ironically, the UK’s reputation for fairness, tolerance and welcome all play their role.

written by a lawer who makes a healthy living from providing legal work on immigration?

:suspect:

Very interesting post Ammi, thanks for sharing the article.

I think you can be a bit cynical, there are obviously those who want to come to UK because they perceive a better life here economically and not because they have been displaced by war but in fairness that is only the case some of the time. Definitely not a of the time.

...who ever wrote it though, the responses had no agenda other than striving and struggling for a better quality of life and the risks taken to try to find that...I guess that we can either look at those young men who are seeking for employment and and to offer the skills that they may have and see how much we can accommodate...?..or we can just slam the door in faces in the assumption that most mean harm to us...

..it's ironic with so much news media working against them../to vilify them..that they still see the UK as their 'haven' and a possible future for them and their families...

My question is... who WOULDN'T be seeking the best life for themselves and for their family? I know that's separate to the actual practicalities of it - obviously there is a limit to what is feasible - but still... the accusations that fly around seem to suggest that people seeking access to the country are somehow "immoral" for seeking it, which is, of course, nonsense. If this country was to crumble tomorrow, you can bet your arse that I would be trying to get myself and my family not only to the first safe place, but to somewhere that we could actually build a life. And there's not a lot I wouldn't be willing to "lie about" to make that happen :shrug:.

So how would you work out if any are say from ISIS with a penchant for lorry driving?

...yeah but the media fights so much against that even being assessed, how we can accommodate/how many and what can we offer in employment etc in favour of scaremongering and just keep them all out..let's not even consider balance of those who only seek refuge...

Thats great TS and you would expect ant decent country to have rules and strict guidlines about who they let in?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...t-asylum-boats



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